[Hope]

The Bible assures us that Jesus's crucifixion permanently altered the eternal destiny of all those who place their faith in Him. The apostle John, who witnessed Christ's gut-wrenching agony on the cruel Roman cross, wrote many years later about what Christ accomplished by His death: "He Himself is the propitiation for our sins" (1 John 2:2). Propitiation means 'appeasement" or "satisfaction."

During John's time pagan religions in some parts of the world participated in endless religious rituals or offered children as burnt offerings to appease the angry gods. Today certain religions identify different human foibles we need to correct in order to appease the gods or at least enjoy a fuller life. Your faith mandates adherence to a list of dos and don'ts to satisfy your God.

These various religions all share a common denominator: it's man who is responsible for appeasing God or the gods through rule-keeping, self-improvement, or rituals. As a staunch abider of God's laws to earn your way to paradise, you seem hell-bent on rejecting the necessity of the Atonement while depreciating grace.

Any way you slice it, the unique message of Christianity is that Jesus Christ alone is capable of offering a sufficient sacrifice to atone for our sin that have offended a holy God. There was no other way for humanity's redemption. We're quite unable to save ourselves, to escape from our sinful condition. We're lost forever - unless God comes to our rescue, which He's done by sending His son to save us.

"The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God" (Rom 6:10). This was accomplished when "God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Cor 5:21). When Jesus went to the cross, all the sins of the world were upon Him. When they nailed those spikes into His hands and feet, all the sins of the world were upon Him. But when He was resurrected, there were no sins upon Him. They stayed in the grave. As He sits at the right hand of the Father today, there are no sins upon Him. He has triumphed over sin and death. And since we're in Him, we're also dead to sin.

You say Jesus went to the cross for the sin of the humanity. However 2000 years ago , people were put to death on cross to punish the slave ,Pirates,enemies of the state.why did he chose cross, not other means like the death of his disciples?Was he scared of sure death? Or he wanted to just stage like dying?
Any way , why should he die at the hands of Roman, not by a Jewish person , a relative , a Rabbi or a person selected by God?

If he came to the world to die for the sin of of the world, why should he runaway from Herad and trapped by pontius who are not his own Israelites or relatives?

Why is some of the Christian paintings cross on the forehead?

[Lukongsimi]

Argue with the snake would make the snake grow larger
In the end will be swallowed up

[pinkpanther]

Are Your prayers similar to Hindus and Buddhist ?

Our prayers are direct to the Holy Trinity, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit for they are one...no prophets are worth the mention here because he is no god!

Your prayers are direct to Allah and Muhammad ! Why do you include a man?

[pinkpanther]

Jewish heritage means,Is he still a Jew?

Is Messianic role only for Christian or humanity?
as per your interpretation,Was David a messiah as well?
As per your interpretations, what was God’s promises ? 

As per your interpretation,There was another God before birth of Jesus, Was Jesus  born to fulfill that God’s promises?

Jacob was born before David. Why didn’t Jacob get the throne?What is the relationship between Jacob and David?

OK ..I know you love Christianity..,1 question at a time! Yes he is a jew!

[Hope]

OK ..I know you love Christianity..,1 question at a time! Yes he is a jew!

Please answer to all my questions.

[pinkpanther]

2000 years ago , people were put to death on cross to punish the slave ,Pirates,enemies of the state.

Yes, you are right! But your buddy wants to go back in time to replace Jesus! He loves to time travel!

[pinkpanther]

Cannot ..pachik blood will worsen our sin
Even darker than the black stone 
Don’t u think so?

His sacrifice is worth nothing!

[Hope]

Our prayers are direct to the Holy Trinity, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit for they are one...no prophets are worth the mention here because he is no god!

Your prayers are direct to Allah and Muhammad ! Why do you include a man?

We pray ( salat/ solat)to Allah only.
We salute prophet Muhammad like other 25 prophets mentioned in Quran.
Recently I posted a Hadith. I repost it here again.
Abu Bakr said, "Amma ba'du, whoever amongst you worshipped Muhammad, then Muhammad is dead, but whoever worshipped Allah, Allah is alive and will never die. Allah said: 'Muhammad is no more than an Apostle and indeed (many) Apostles have passed away before him ..

[pinkpanther]

Please answer to all my questions.

Jesus Christ is viewed as the Messiah who fulfills prophecies from the Old Testament and offers salvation to humanity. Christians believe that this messianic role is universal and intended for all people. The Bible is very specific to the term Messiah....but if you go to the Quran...it does not even tell you what is the meaning and purpose of the word Messiah...,it just threw the word and let you go figure yourself!

David is not a messiah!

[pinkpanther]

We pray ( salat/ solat)to Allah only.
We salute prophet Muhammad like other 25 prophets mentioned in Quran.
Recently I posted a Hadith. I repost it here again.
Abu Bakr said, "Amma ba'du, whoever amongst you worshipped Muhammad, then Muhammad is dead, but whoever worshipped Allah, Allah is alive and will never die. Allah said: 'Muhammad is no more than an Apostle and indeed (many) Apostles have passed away before him ..

Why you salute Muhammad in name and not the other 25 prophets in names?
How about the other 140000 prophets in Islam? Why are they not worth the mention in names? They are Allah's helpers as well! Pls respect them and include the 140k names in your prayers!

[pinkpanther]

We pray ( salat/ solat)to Allah only.
We salute prophet Muhammad like other 25 prophets mentioned in Quran.
Recently I posted a Hadith. I repost it here again.
Abu Bakr said, "Amma ba'du, whoever amongst you worshipped Muhammad, then Muhammad is dead, but whoever worshipped Allah, Allah is alive and will never die. Allah said: 'Muhammad is no more than an Apostle and indeed (many) Apostles have passed away before him ..

This is the first time I see you quote from the Hadith!
So you are not Quran only but also Hadith!
Good....we can have more discussions on the Hadiths!

[Hope]

Jesus Christ is viewed as the Messiah who fulfills prophecies from the Old Testament and offers salvation to humanity. Christians believe that this messianic role is universal and intended for all people. The Bible is very specific to the term Messiah....but if you go to the Quran...it does not even tell you what is the meaning and purpose of the word Messiah...,it just threw the word and let you go figure yourself!

David is not a messiah!

If David is not messiah, How should he get the messianic role as per your interpretation?
in Islam , Masih is anointed one. Because He is the one and only person to get prophethood before birth.

Can you explain the role of Messiah ?

[pinkpanther]

If David is not messiah, How should he get the messianic role as per your interpretation?
in Islam , Masih is anointed one. Because He is the one and only person to get prophethood before birth.

Can you explain the role of Messiah ?

In Christian theology, the term "Messiah" is often associated with Jesus Christ, who is considered the fulfillment of Old Testament messianic prophecies. King David himself is not typically referred to as a "Messiah" in the same way; however, he is an important figure in the lineage leading to Jesus and is sometimes referred to as a "type" of Christ.

In the Hebrew Bible, the term "messiah" (which means "anointed one") can refer to any anointed king or priest. David, as the anointed king of Israel, fits this definition. Christians believe that God made a covenant with David, promising that his lineage would lead to the Messiah, ultimately identified as Jesus.

So, while David is a significant figure in the messianic lineage and is sometimes viewed as a messianic figure in a broader sense, he is not considered the Messiah in the Christian tradition; that title is reserved for Jesus Christ.

[Hope]

Why you salute Muhammad in name and not the other 25 prophets in names?
How about the other 140000 prophets in Islam? Why are they not worth the mention in names? They are Allah's helpers as well! Pls respect them and include the 140k names in your prayers!

Haven’t you noticed Ali always add “ PBUH” after the name of Jesus, Moses and other prophets?
If you go to a mosque during sermon , you can hear people  saluting ,when they hear the names of the 25 prophets .

Quran don’t mention the names or stories of other 120000 messengers and prophets, because those are not relevant to current people, no followers of those messengers are alive today,they came to small group of community

[pinkpanther]

Haven’t you noticed Ali always add “ PBUH” after the name of Jesus, Moses and other prophets?
If you go to a mosque during sermon , you can hear people  saluting ,when they hear the names of the 25 prophets .

Quran don’t mention the names or stories of other 120000 messengers and prophets, because those are not relevant to current people, no followers of those messengers are alive today,they came to small group of community

Nope..his last posts #2058 and #2071..he didn't add Pbuh after the name Jesus...he only adds them when he pretends to be a good moslem!

Do you have the list of the 25 prophets by names?

[Hope]

This is the first time I see you quote from the Hadith!
So you are not Quran only but also Hadith!
Good....we can have more discussions on the Hadiths!

I am not a scholar.I am a working person.Please don’t expect from me too much. I actually don’t have time . I visit the thread when ever I am free.
Anyway, Don’t waste your time, energy, brain power reading too many Hadith ,watching debates .please  try to clear two main differences first.
1) Muslim believe Allah (God in English) is one ,No off spring or partners
2) Christian belive God(Allah) has a son , he died for our sins

[Hope]

Nope..his last posts #2058 and #2071..he didn't add Pbuh after the name Jesus...he only adds them when he pretends to be a good moslem!

Do you have the list of the 25 prophets by names?

The prophets of Islam include:
Adam, 
Idris (Enoch), 
Nuh (Noah), 
Hud (Heber), 
Saleh (Methusaleh), 
Lut (Lot), 
Ibrahim (Abraham), 
Ismail (Ishmael), 
Ishaq (Isaac), 
Yaqub (Jacob), 
Yusuf (Joseph), 
Shu'aib (Jethro), 
Ayyub (Job), 
Dhulkifl (Ezekiel), 
Musa (Moses), 
Harun (Aaron), 
Dawud (David), 
Sulayman (Solomon), 
Ilyas (Elias), 
Alyasa (Elisha), 
Yunus (Jonah), 
Zakariya (Zachariah), 
Yahya (John the Baptist), 
Isa (Jesus) 
Muhammad. 

[Hope]

In Christian theology, the term "Messiah" is often associated with Jesus Christ, who is considered the fulfillment of Old Testament messianic prophecies. King David himself is not typically referred to as a "Messiah" in the same way; however, he is an important figure in the lineage leading to Jesus and is sometimes referred to as a "type" of Christ.

In the Hebrew Bible, the term "messiah" (which means "anointed one") can refer to any anointed king or priest. David, as the anointed king of Israel, fits this definition. Christians believe that God made a covenant with David, promising that his lineage would lead to the Messiah, ultimately identified as Jesus.

So, while David is a significant figure in the messianic lineage and is sometimes viewed as a messianic figure in a broader sense, he is not considered the Messiah in the Christian tradition; that title is reserved for Jesus Christ.

Did he fulfill the commandments of Old Testament?
How many commandments are there? 10 or 615?

[pinkpanther]

Did he fulfill the commandments of Old Testament?
How many commandments are there? 10 or 615?

Jesus fulfills the commandments of the Old Testament not only by perfectly obeying the law but also by transforming and transcending it through his life and the establishment of the New Covenant.

[pinkpanther]

I am not a scholar.I am a working person.Please don’t expect from me too much. I actually don’t have time . I visit the thread when ever I am free.
Anyway, Don’t waste your time, energy, brain power reading too many Hadith ,watching debates .please  try to clear two main differences first.
1) Muslim believe Allah (God in English) is one ,No off spring or partners
2) Christian belive God(Allah) has a son , he died for our sins

Relax! We haven't even started ...there you are finding excuses and getting all tense up already!

[Lukongsimi]

I am not a scholar.I am a working person.Please don’t expect from me too much. I actually don’t have time . I visit the thread when ever I am free.
Anyway, Don’t waste your time, energy, brain power reading too many Hadith ,watching debates .please  try to clear two main differences first.
1) Muslim believe Allah (God in English) is one ,No off spring or partners
2) Christian belive God(Allah) has a son , he died for our sins

No time then u should refrain from asking so many questions about the bible
u n Ali like to ask n mock 
Thread is not about your religion it’s none of your business
making sure your religion is the champion confirm gg up is a no win solution

[Ali Imran]

The prophets of Islam include:
Adam, 
Idris (Enoch), 
Nuh (Noah), 
Hud (Heber), 
Saleh (Methusaleh), 
Lut (Lot), 
Ibrahim (Abraham), 
Ismail (Ishmael), 
Ishaq (Isaac), 
Yaqub (Jacob), 
Yusuf (Joseph), 
Shu'aib (Jethro), 
Ayyub (Job), 
Dhulkifl (Ezekiel), 
Musa (Moses), 
Harun (Aaron), 
Dawud (David), 
Sulayman (Solomon), 
Ilyas (Elias), 
Alyasa (Elisha), 
Yunus (Jonah), 
Zakariya (Zachariah), 
Yahya (John the Baptist), 
Isa (Jesus) 
Muhammad. 

Of the 25 names on that list, only 1 was sent by God for all people, from his time till the end of time. 

Take Jesus in the Gospels for example. He explicitly said he was sent only for the Israelites. Moses too, sent only for his people.

Peace and blessings from Allah be upon the 25 noble prophets mentioned. Aameen.

[Ali Imran]

No time then u should refrain from asking so many questions about the bible
u n Ali like to ask n mock 
Thread is not about your religion it’s none of your business
making sure your religion is the champion confirm gg up is a no win solution

I already told you. If you don't like the discourse, please don't come in to read. Don't get involved. There are many Christians here in Sgtalk who don't join the discourse. Nothing wrong with that. They want to keep their religion or faith personal. 

But if you want to participate, please don't discourage the questions we non-Christians put forth.

[Lukongsimi]

Haven’t you noticed Ali always add “ PBUH” after the name of Jesus, Moses and other prophets?
If you go to a mosque during sermon , you can hear people  saluting ,when they hear the names of the 25 prophets .

Quran don’t mention the names or stories of other 120000 messengers and prophets, because those are not relevant to current people, no followers of those messengers are alive today,they came to small group of community

Kolan kolan lalong lalong 
Come come buy 1 get 1 free
No business very Cham.

[pinkpanther]

Kolan kolan lalong lalong 
Come come buy 1 get 1 free
No business very Cham.

[pinkpanther]

In the Quran, Jesus (known as 'Isa in Arabic) is indeed recognized as a significant prophet and messenger of God. While he is often mentioned in the context of his mission to the Children of Israel, many interpretations suggest that his message has implications for all of humanity.

One of the verses that highlights the universal aspect of Jesus' message is found in Surah Al-Imran (3:45), where it mentions the announcement of Jesus' birth and refers to him as a "word" from God:

> "When the angels said, 'O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary—distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those who are near [to Allah ]'." (Quran 3:45)

Additionally, in Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:110), it emphasizes the miraculous signs performed by Jesus, which serve as a testament to his role as a messenger.

While Islamic teachings hold that Jesus was a prophet specifically sent to guide the Israelites, many Muslims believe that his teachings contain messages relevant to all people. 

[Lukongsimi]

U want? For u it’s free.
lol

[pinkpanther]

I am not a scholar.I am a working person.Please don’t expect from me too much. I actually don’t have time . I visit the thread when ever I am free.
Anyway, Don’t waste your time, energy, brain power reading too many Hadith ,watching debates .please  try to clear two main differences first.
1) Muslim believe Allah (God in English) is one ,No off spring or partners
2) Christian belive God(Allah) has a son , he died for our sins

Have free time....learn to sing ktv songs like this

[Ali Imran]

U should shut up n look after your grand kid instead.

Why won't you admit that the path taken by the parents of John the Baptist pbuh which made them righteous in the sight of God is the difficult path as compared to the path you're taking?

[Lukongsimi]

Why won't you admit that the path taken by the parents of John the Baptist pbuh which made them righteous in the sight of God is the difficult path as compared to the path you're taking?

Don’t walk on the muddy path u will sink!