[Hope]

Got good got bad lah..2 sides of a coin

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wir...-108424901

That is in China. Every one knows china. What about pastors in other countries?

[pinkpanther]

That is in China. Every one knows china. What about pastors in other countries?

Muslim religious leaders don indulge in lavish lifestyle? Eat good, stay good, 4 wives?

[Blasterlord2]

He got bargain so many times boh

The fact that he can bargain once means that it is possible to bargain with god. I'm just trying to point out the flaw of your argument when you questioned Mohammad's negiotation with god. 

[Ali Imran]

With that my epilogue in this thread is about due, follow whomever and whatever you trust. For me. Jesus is the living WORD who speaks to my soul, I will follow him even though I am a poor pupil. However trying to keep up is better than not having him in my sights at all.

God please Bless everyone here with LOVE and Spiritual Knowledge. Amen.

Thank you old friend. 

I have a problem with wanting to follow Jesus because I do not know exactly what Jesus said. 

I see all the people who profess to follow Jesus have different ideas of what Jesus said, some in direct contradiction to the other. So which one is true?

I like to worship God with all my mind but if I am a Christian, I cannot do that because my mind will not be able to fill up 100% with 3 gods. At best, I can only give 33.33% to each person in the Trinity.

[Hope]

See who is the dumb Chinese to contact him

There are many. You may not know who ever guided by God May contact him.




“You surely cannot guide whoever you like ˹O Prophet˺, but it is Allah Who guides whoever He wills, and He knows best who are ˹fit to be˺ guided”Quran 28:56

[Ali Imran]

Muslim religious leaders don indulge in lavish lifestyle? Eat good, stay good, 4 wives?

All our religious leaders in all the mosques here in Singapore live a modest lifestyle.

[Hope]

Muslim religious leaders don indulge in lavish lifestyle? Eat good, stay good, 4 wives?

Have you met anyone who had 2 to 4wives?
Muslim religious leaders don’t tithe like pastors

[Ali Imran]

There are many. You may not know who ever guided by God May contact him.

Yes, many.

This is one of them. A Chinese scientist who is a Muslim. She became Muslim after studying the Quran. That's the keyword, "STUDY".

[Hope]

What is the Chinese name for 
1)Jesus 
2)Mary
3)Lord of the world 
4)Father in the heaven
5)God

???

[pinkpanther]

The fact that he can bargain once means that it is possible to bargain with god. I'm just trying to point out the flaw of your argument when you questioned Mohammad's negiotation with god. 

That was a direct bargain with God ..but Muhammad's version is totally flawed..he went up the 7 heavens 9 times ..god said pray 50 times...muhammad went down the heaven.,,bumped into moses, moses asked him to plead with God for a reduction...this went on for another 9 times my friend.,,  and god finally agreed with 5 times.
God must be stress out 

[pinkpanther]

Have you met anyone who had 2 to 4wives?
Muslim religious leaders don’t tithe like pastors

Maybe not so many wives,,,but they sure do enjoy a life with their riches.

[pinkpanther]

All our religious leaders in all the mosques here in Singapore live a modest lifestyle.

I am sure most of the pastors in singapore also live a modest lifestyle..some are not even paid to do a job

[Ali Imran]

I am sure most of the pastors in singapore also live a modest lifestyle..some are not even paid to do a job

I know of at least 2 famous ones in Singapore who are not at all modest and they are supported and honored by many Christians. Maybe you don't but many revere them.

But yes, I've met pastors who are humble and modest. And I've not met a single religious leader in our mosques with a lavish lifestyle.

[Hope]

Maybe not so many wives,,,but they sure do enjoy a life with their riches.

People can enjoy their life if they have enough income without selling the religion.Also give charity(Sadaqa )and compulsory charity (Sakath ).

I don’t think your pastors will continue their mission if governments put restrictions on their earnings.

[pinkpanther]

People can enjoy their life if they have enough income without selling the religion.Also give charity(Sadaqa )and compulsory charity (Sakath ).

I don’t think your pastors will continue their mission if governments put restrictions on their earnings.

You need to visit neighbourhood churches and see for yourself if the pastors are rich..some are contract based..Don assume all pastors are rich. Some don even own a car, take mrt, bus, walk.

[Lukongsimi]

(Matthew 13:15 CEV) “All of them have stubborn minds! Their ears are stopped up, and their eyes are covered. They cannot see or hear or understand. If they could, they would turn to me, and I would heal them.”

[luncheonmeat]

Like I've said, I'm not here to prove to you that the Koran is real although that can be done due to its many miracles.
But that doesn't matter in this thread. In this thread, I am telling you to assume that Koran is false because I just want to know:

How sure are you that the version of the Bible that you are referring to does not differ from the original version ... considering that you have no way to verify it due to the original version being lost in time?

Remember, in this world that we're living in, courts rely on Language Supremacy Clauses to determine which document prevails in the event that disagreement arises between translated versions. Amongst your different Bible versions, the one that should prevail no longer exist. As such, telling people that Bible says this and that is pointless because we have no way to know that the original version contains those things.

The Torah and Bible are about miracles and countless MIRACLES are still being performed in Jesus' name TODAY. Still that will not convince sceptics whose hearts have already been hardened. 
Yes, there are many versions of the Bible and all will testify that Jesus is the Son of God and our Saviour.
Have you anyway to verify that the original scriptures do not contain the testimony that Jesus is the Son of God and Saviour. Why has the erroneous teachings dominated til today despite the Islam influence. Satan is only powerful when it comes to Christianity but somehow decided to give Islamism a miss yet Islamism is not powerful enough to overcome Christianity? 

I have answered all your qns previously [ the martyrdom of his super disciples]  but you are still in the dark. Pray to God for answers because your ground is parched. It is God who decides everything in the end.

[Oyk]

That brings to mind one incident written in the bible. God asked Abrahim to kill his son to show his loyalty to him, and Abraham really do it (although god stopped him last min). This is very dangerous because god wants your blind loyalty. Dun even question him on any of his instructions.

In Buddhism, if Buddha asked me to kill my son, I can be sure that it's a fake Buddha as no Buddha will ask me to do it. I'll ask him to fly kite.

Christians will say that son was Isaac.

Ali will say that son was Ismail.

Please tell Ali what you wrote in para one: this is very dangerous.

Oh wait! You buggers only dare to mock Christianity but not Islam right. 

[Lukongsimi]

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). Christians are often criticized for claiming that Jesus is the only way to God.

[pinkpanther]

The problem is that your knowledge of Islam is from non Muslim sources.

Had you learned from Muslims, you would have known that Islam is the first religion all the way back during Prophet Adam (of Adam & Eve fame). Satan wants to lead humans astray and Satan will do anything it can to accomplish its goal.

Surely it's not hard to believe that Satan successfully influenced some bad humans to invent religions by whispering into their hearts to insert, remove, and / or edit the original words of God. God was aware that his message was being corrupted. That's why he sent many Prophets throughout time to correct his message.

Satan stays at night on the upper part of every Muslim's noses.. just need to use water to flush him out at least 3 times 

[Hope]

Christians will say that son was Isaac.

Ali will say that son was Ismail.

Please tell Ali what you wrote in para one: this is very dangerous.

Oh wait! You buggers only dare to mock Christianity but not Islam right. 

His Question is based on knowledge he got from Christian teachings.I think he does not know Muslim version

[Lukongsimi]

Satan stays at night on the upper part of every Muslim's noses.. just need to use water to flush him out at least 3 times 

Only Muslim? Why

[Hope]

Satan stays at night on the upper part of every Muslim's noses.. just need to use water to flush him out at least 3 times 

Where did you learn this?
Any sources?

[Ali Imran]

The Torah and Bible are about miracles and countless MIRACLES are still being performed in Jesus' name TODAY. Still that will not convince sceptics whose hearts have already been hardened. 
Yes, there are many versions of the Bible and all will testify that Jesus is the Son of God and our Saviour.
Have you anyway to verify that the original scriptures do not contain the testimony that Jesus is the Son of God and Saviour. Why has the erroneous teachings dominated til today despite the Islam influence. Satan is only powerful when it comes to Christianity but somehow decided to give Islamism a miss yet Islamism is not powerful enough to overcome Christianity? 

I have answered all your qns previously [ the martyrdom of his super disciples]  but you are still in the dark. Pray to God for answers because your ground is parched. It is God who decides everything in the end.

Jesus's teachings, all of them, are not erroneous. Jesus is a messenger of God, strengthened by the holy spirit. He is a special messenger of God, a mighty prophet indeed.

The problem is the record keeping of Jesus's teachings. We don't know what Jesus actually said.

And you cannot tell me otherwise because I know the history.

[pinkpanther]

Where did you learn this?
Any sources?

Just search Satan stays on the nose of Muslims...
It is in the hadith I think...you mean it is not credible?

[Ali Imran]

Satan stays at night on the upper part of every Muslim's noses.. just need to use water to flush him out at least 3 times 

I do that all the time, known as nasal flushing. Highly recommended by doctors for a better sinus.

[Oyk]

The problem is that your knowledge of Islam is from non Muslim sources.

Had you learned from Muslims, you would have known that Islam is the first religion all the way back during Prophet Adam (of Adam & Eve fame). Satan wants to lead humans astray and Satan will do anything it can to accomplish its goal.

Surely it's not hard to believe that Satan successfully influenced some bad humans to invent religions by whispering into their hearts to insert, remove, and / or edit the original words of God. God was aware that his message was being corrupted. That's why he sent many Prophets throughout time to correct his message.

What a WOT. I mean Wall of TRASH.

Your religion started in the 7th century. On its own, it's incomplete, and unable to answer a lot of questions, and that's why you have to latch on to the first five books of the Bible aka Torah or Pentateuch, and form your own interpretations of it.

Let's be honest man. The Bible can stand on its own without the Quran while the Quran cannot stand without the Bible.

As to your last paragraph, are you saying that all religions (you spelt the plural form there) except for Islam is from Satan?  Yes or No will do. 

[pinkpanther]

I do that all the time, known as nasal flushing. Highly recommended by doctors for a better sinus.

Not only you do that...all Muslims do that

[Ali Imran]

There is not a single Christian who can tell me what Jesus actually said.

How come Christians don't bother to preserve the words of their God? Is it not important enough for you all to preserve the words of Jesus?

[Ali Imran]

Not only you do that...all Muslims do that

How you know?

You met all Muslims and ask them, is it?