Iran only informed the US, through a 3rd party, once the missiles are in the air.
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In previous attacks, the missiles took 9 hours to reach the targets. In the latest round, it took 12 minutes to reach the targets. There is no time for the US and Israel's iron dome to react.
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So its plausible that 20 of the F35 parked at Nevatim airbase were destroyed, as Iran claimed

There was barely enough time to get all aircrafts airborne & avoid the missile strike

Anyway, Iran had to inform the US for a reason. Iran wants to avoid a much bigger war.
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(03-10-2024, 08:07 AM)theold Wrote:  In previous attacks, the missiles took 9 hours to reach the targets. In the latest round, it took 12 minutes to reach the targets. There is no time for the US and Israel's iron dome to react.

The attack on Pearl Harbour on 7 Dec 1941, was a surprise attack that brought the United States into World War 2. Japan had not issued a formal declaration of war prior to the attack. This led to widespread public outrage and condemnation of Japan's actions. It did not end well for Japan when the US exacted revenge through the 2 atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It will not end well for Iran to provoke a sleeping lion.
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Why did Iran evrn bother to inform?

If Iran hadn't informed, the US may mistook the surprise strike as much bigger than what it is & preemptively launch a (nuclear) strike on Iran - which Iran doesn't want to.

Iran does not want war. But it is merely exercising its self defence rights according to International Law
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(03-10-2024, 08:20 AM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:   The attack on Pearl Harbour on 7 Dec 1941, was a surprise attack that brought the United States into World War 2. Japan had not issued a formal declaration of war prior to the attack. This led to widespread public outrage and condemnation of Japan's actions. It did not end well for Japan when the US exacted revenge through the 2 atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It will not end well for Iran to provoke a sleeping lion.

Thats what they told you in secondary school. That it was a surprise attack. 

These days, not everyone agree with the official narrative. 

The US goaded Japan to attack it as a pretext to enter the war. Before that, America was somewhat neutral because Americans did not want to go to war far away offshore. They were protected by the Pacific & Atlantic oceans. The war hadn't affected them. 

Pear Harbour was what it needed to kickstart the homegrown war effort. After Pearl Harbour, every American became pro war. Factories were converted into war machines. 

America dropped 2 atomic bombs not "to exact revenge" as you like to believe. It was meant to scare off the Russians who were eyeing Japan that was already weakened thru years of high intensity war. The Russians do have territorial claims on Japan even till today.
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It's similar to a boxing match

Round one
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#7

The only mistake is only shoot 200 missiles. Should just whack 20000 missiles.
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Why need to inform US? Strange...
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(03-10-2024, 01:38 PM)Sticw Wrote:  Why need to inform US? Strange...

Always inform 大哥。


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(03-10-2024, 08:37 AM)Bw2023 Wrote:  Thats what they told you in secondary school. That it was a surprise attack. These days, not everyone agree with the official narrative. The US goaded Japan to attack it as a pretext to enter the war. Before that, America was somewhat neutral because Americans did not want to go to war far away offshore. They were protected by the Pacific & Atlantic oceans. The war hadn't affected them. Pear Harbour was what it needed to kickstart the homegrown war effort. After Pearl Harbour, every American became pro war. Factories were converted into war machines. America dropped 2 atomic bombs not "to exact revenge" as you like to believe. It was meant to scare off the Russians who were eyeing Japan that was already weakened thru years of high intensity war. The Russians do have territorial claims on Japan even till today.

Don't you know that opinions are like butt holes? Everybody has one. By the way, where is "Pear Harbour"? Is it near the Big Apple - New York? LOL!
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(03-10-2024, 01:51 PM)Tangsen Wrote:  [Image: shutterstock-2403377149.jpg]

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Poor guy… disposed of like a used tampon… no, used condom
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(03-10-2024, 02:26 PM)EvertonDiehard Wrote:  Don't you know that opinions are like butt holes? Everybody has one. By the way, where is "Pear Harbour"? Is it near the Big Apple - New York? LOL!

Its better to form your own opinion & decide for yourself, then to have no opinion at all & let others decide for you. 

That way you start questioning many things that you assume to be true from what others told you. Related to butt holes, dont you know that to assume is to make an ass out of u and me?

My bad. Its Pearl Habour. 

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(03-10-2024, 08:07 AM)theold Wrote:  In previous attacks, the missiles took 9 hours to reach the targets. In the latest round, it took 12 minutes to reach the targets. There is no time for the US and Israel's iron dome to react.

What we know about Iran's missile attack on Israel
Iran launched almost 200 ballistic missiles towards Israel on Tuesday night. Israeli military said most missiles were intercepted, but that a small number struck central & southern Israel. The only person reported to have been killed was a Palestinian man in the occupied West Bank.
It was Iran’s second such attack on Israel this year, after it launched about 300 missiles or drones?.

Here's what we know so far?.
What was the scale of Iran's attack?.

Israel (IDF) said attack involved more than 180 missiles, tallied with Iranian state media reports (about 200 missiles launched).US said attack was “nearly twice the scope” what happened in April.
Sirens sounded as Israel’s entire 10 mil population told ✓head into bomb shelters at about 19:30 local time on Tuesday. Social media videos ve by BBC showed missiles flying over densely show populated cities of Tel Aviv & Jerusalem less than 15 minutes later. Explosions could be heard overhead as air defences intercepted the incoming missiles.

Footage also showed several missiles hitting areas around the Nevatim airbase in the Negev desert and the headquarters of the Mossad spy agency near Tel Aviv. “There were a small number of hits in the centre of Israel, and other hits in southern Israel,” said IDF spokesman Rear Adm Daniel Hagari. “The majority of the incoming missiles were intercepted by Israel defensive coalition led by the US.” Israeli military confirmed on Wednesday some of its air bases had been hit during the attack, but said no weapons, aircraft or critical infrastructure was damaged and the air force's operational abilities were not affected.

Iranian state media cited the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) as saying the missiles hit Nevatim, Hatzerim and Tel Nof airbases, as well as Israeli tanks in Netzarim - a reference to an Israeli military corridor in central Gaza - and gas installations in the southern city of Ashkelon.
Semi-official Tasnim news agency said Iran had for the first time used Fattah hypersonic missiles that it claimed "cannot be intercepted", as well as Emad and Qadr ballistic missiles. However, IDF said barrage did not include any hypersonic missiles, according to Israeli media.
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What damage and casualties have been reported?
On Wednesday, IDF said several air force bases were damaged by missile attack, but no aircraft were damaged, “Only administrative buildings and peripheral components were hit,” quoted as saying, while adding “upcoming missions remain unaffected". IDF also reportedly said that damage to infrastructure and property in civilian areas was “only minor” and was likely to have been caused by shrapnel from intercepted missiles. Just north of Tel Aviv on Wed, close to Mossad’s HQ, a BBC correspondent found several badly damaged cars & pile of earth next to a road where missile impact was said to have caused a crater 8m - 10m deep.

Nearby municipality of Hod HaSharon also said about 100 houses were damaged by a missile explosion shrapnel, "was a very powerful impact with a huge risk of claiming human lives," the municipality said, & video released by IDF showed head of its Home Front Command visiting a school hit by a missile in the Gedera area, just to the east of Ashkelon, causing extensive damage to a classroom. Israel’s Magen David Adom ambulance service paramedics treated two people with light injuries from shrapnel in Tel Aviv area, as well as some people with minor injuries caused by falling as they moved to shelters.

  1. However, Palestinian Civil Defence authority said a Palestinian was killed when he hit by a falling missile fragment in West Bank city of Jericho. CCTV footage showed rear half of a large, black missile plummeting directly on to a man as he walks along a road at night. It was not clear if the missile had been intercepted. New York Times identified him as Sameh al-Asali, a 37-year-old Palestinian. 
  2. A worker from Gaza who had been sheltering in Jericho since the start of the war between Israel and Hamas last October. Tongue
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Were the missiles stopped by Iron Dome?
The IDF has besides saying Israeli & US-led forces were involved & Israeli air defences “operated impressively, with high rates of interception”. But
exactly how many were intercepted!??., explaining wanted to avoid “giving Iran/Hezbollah info will help them learn lessons”. IDF claimed that 99% of Iranian projectiles launched in April’s attack were intercepted. (This is on April's last attackIsrael has a sophisticated system of air defences, the best-known is Iron Dome, designed to intercept short-range rockets sort fired by Hamas & Hezbollah. While it used to defend against some elements of Iran's last attack in April, other elements of country's "layered" defence systems probably did bulk of the work on Tuesday.
David’s Sling - a joint US-Israeli manufactured system - used to intercept medium to long-range rockets, like ballistic & cruise missiles, when it comes to long-range ballistic missiles, which fly outside Earth’s atmosphere, Israel has the Arrow 2 and Arrow 3 interceptors.

The Pentagon said two US Navy destroyers deployed in the Eastern Mediterranean fired a dozen interceptors as part of the efforts to defend Israel, but that it was not known whether they took down any of the missiles. UK Defence Secretary John Healey said British forces had "played their part in attempts to prevent further escalation”. But the BBC understands that British military jets did not shoot down any Iranian missiles. 

(Verified footage showed missile interceptions over Jordanian capital, Amman. Arab kingdom’s forces shot down a number of missiles during Iran's last attack in April). (This is also last April's 9 hours used by Iran old drones).
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Iran and Israel have pursued a shadow war for decades, adhering to a policy of “no war, no peace”. However, it now appears that this status quo is ending.

After Tuesday's missile attack, the chief of staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Maj Gen Mohammad Baqeri stated that the time for “patience and restraint” was over.

“We targeted military and intelligence sites in Israel and deliberately refrained from hitting economic and industrial locations,” he said. “However, if Israel retaliates, our response will be more forceful.”

The missile attack reflects a growing concern among Iranian leaders that remaining silent after Israel's attacks would portray them as weak and vulnerable - both domestically and in the eyes of their regional allies in the so-called “Axis of Resistance” which includes Hezbollah and Hamas.

Many hardline conservatives in Iran had been growing uneasy about the country's lack of action against Israel.

Several commentators on state TV - which is controlled by the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and the IRGC - argued that the decision to hold back from seeking revenge for Haniyeh’s killing had emboldened Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to attack Iran's interests and allies in Lebanon.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1m93l9krgro
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(04-10-2024, 04:49 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  Were the missiles stopped by Iron Dome?
The IDF has besides saying Israeli & US-led forces were involved & Israeli air defences “operated impressively, with high rates of interception”. But
exactly how many were intercepted!??., explaining wanted to avoid “giving Iran/Hezbollah info will help them learn lessons”. IDF claimed that 99% of Iranian projectiles launched in April’s attack were intercepted. (This is on April's last attackIsrael has a sophisticated system of air defences, the best-known is Iron Dome, designed to intercept short-range rockets sort fired by Hamas & Hezbollah. While it used to defend against some elements of Iran's last attack in April, other elements of country's "layered" defence systems probably did bulk of the work on Tuesday.
David’s Sling - a joint US-Israeli manufactured system - used to intercept medium to long-range rockets, like ballistic & cruise missiles, when it comes to long-range ballistic missiles, which fly outside Earth’s atmosphere, Israel has the Arrow 2 and Arrow 3 interceptors.

The Pentagon said two US Navy destroyers deployed in the Eastern Mediterranean fired a dozen interceptors as part of the efforts to defend Israel, but that it was not known whether they took down any of the missiles. UK Defence Secretary John Healey said British forces had "played their part in attempts to prevent further escalation”. But the BBC understands that British military jets did not shoot down any Iranian missiles. 

(Verified footage showed missile interceptions over Jordanian capital, Amman. Arab kingdom’s forces shot down a number of missiles during Iran's last attack in April). (This is also last April's 9 hours used by Iran old drones).

Iran had appeared to show restraint after Haniyeh's assassination - but this inaction became a source of humiliation when Israel dealt a series of devastating blows to Iran’s closest and most longstanding regional ally Hezbollah, culminating in the air strike on Friday that killed Nasrallah and Nilforoushan.

The IRGC claimed the barrage included Fattah hypersonic missiles that took 12 minutes to reach Israel and that they successfully hit targets including three Israeli airbases and the headquarters of the Mossad spy agency.
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The banner featured photos of the three men whose deaths he said Iran was seeking to avenge with the major attack - Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh, who was killed in Tehran in July in an attack that Iran blamed on Israel, and Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and IRGC Quds Force operations commander Brig-Gen Abbas Nilforoushan, who were killed in an Israeli air strike in Beirut last week.

The IRGC claimed the barrage included Fattah hypersonic missiles that took 12 minutes to reach Israel and that they successfully hit targets
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Before this month, Iranian leaders had hoped that a war of attrition with Hezbollah would help wear down the Israeli military, which is still fighting a war against Hamas in Gaza.

They also relied on Hezbollah and its massive arsenal of rockets and missiles to serve as a major deterrent against direct Israeli attacks on their country’s nuclear and missile facilities.

President Masoud Pezeshkian, who was elected in July, accused Israel of trying to provoke Iran into a regional war that would also draw in the US.

"We also want security and peace. It was Israel that assassinated Haniyeh in Tehran," he was quoted by Iranian media as saying during a visit to Qatar on Wednesday.

"Europeans and the US said that if we do not act, there will be a peace in Gaza in one week. We waited for them to have peace but they increased their killing."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1m93l9krgro
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Heavy Israeli strikes hit southern Beirut as October 7 anniversary nears. October 7 attacks nears, Israel’s PM Benjamin Netanyahu said his country faces war on seven fronts, including Hezbollah & its backer, Iran. 

The region is still bracing for Israel’s response to last Tuesday’s Iranian missile barrage.

Israel pounded southern Beirut with heavy airstrikes overnight, with the military saying it was targeting Hezbollah. A CNN correspondent said they were some of the most intense since the current conflict erupted between Israel and the militant group and...

...And In Gaza, Israel said it has encircled a refugee camp in the north after seeing signs of Hamas regrouping. Separately, strikes on a central Gaza mosque killed at least 25 people, according to hospital officials. The Israeli military said Hamas was embedded in the compound.
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/...index.html
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Iran has experienced a significant growth in Christianity, particularly among younger generations. This growth is often attributed to factors such as disillusionment with the political and religious establishment, a desire for spiritual connection and exposure to Western media and culture. It is important to note that Christianity is not officially recognised in Iran, and converts often face persecution, discrimination and death. Despite these challenges, the Christian community in Iran continues to grow and thrive. The Iranian people are not blind, and know that their Islamic Govt is leading them astray. 
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