[Blasterlord2]

And LKY is an autocrat, not a democrat.

https://mothership.sg/2022/07/tommy-koh-...-kuan-yew/

[Scythian]

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Timing is right to sue Kissinger.

[victortan]

And LKY is an autocrat, not a democrat.

https://mothership.sg/2022/07/tommy-koh-...-kuan-yew/

If no LKY long ago we all dies already,,this u all must agree, be honest..

Lucky we got LKY that make spore great that why we got lot of money for the PAP younger generation to spend on Youth olympic cost 400m
and build a stadium only ghost use..and also many more,

LKY is great, He make Spore great. I hope we can have a reincarnation of Him, to make sillypore smart again..

[Manthink]

And LKY is an autocrat, not a democrat.

https://mothership.sg/2022/07/tommy-koh-...-kuan-yew/

Tommy says "Singapore may not be a liberal democracy, our elections are free and fair and are democratic...."

At least both men agree SG is not some crazy freedom loving, human-right wokist liberal mess...

LKY would have turn in his grave if SG has gone down that path like e.g of Indians, Pinoys and Boledlanders...

[victortan]

And LKY is an autocrat, not a democrat.

https://mothership.sg/2022/07/tommy-koh-...-kuan-yew/

Kissinger,, can only kiss and sing, gg to kiss us goodbye already also want "how Lian" ...sillypore 
what also why he care so much, 

He born in Sungei road like me , is it????

[Scythian]

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Kissinger should corrected it and instead said it's all "garbage"

[Scythian]

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Indirectly Kissinger was saying Singapore leaders wasted taxpayers $$$ studying in UK and US  learning "garbage" and manipulate compost rubbish recycle only  suited themselves.

Close similarity to African politics.

[Scythian]

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Kissinger putting it more diplomatically rather than saying it's " Garbage " to his friend, LKY.

[sgbuffett]

And LKY is an autocrat, not a democrat.

https://mothership.sg/2022/07/tommy-koh-...-kuan-yew/

Just the other day someone posted LKY saying that he did not believed in democracy. Today we have 2 top men argue over whether Singapore had democratic elections.

I want to provide.some.clarity on this.

1. LKY did not believe Democracy was a good system for many 3rd World countries where religious and racial strife undermines the process. He never said democracy is a bad system for everyone....apparently it could not be true because only developed countries at the time he said that were democratic.

2. Is Kissinger right to say LKY was authoritarian?were elections fair? LKY is most accurately described as semi authoritarian. In the 1960s, the PAP was likely to lose elections if not for operation Coldstore that had many opponents incarcerated.  Some may justify thia by arguing that these were communists and subvwrsives. Some like Dr. Poh Soo Kai were clearly not communists.  The second more clear cut acts of authoritarianism is Operaton Spectrum and JBJ. 

3. Are elections fair in Singapore? They have become fairer mainly because of the Internet and emergence of social media. In the oast we only had Straits Times ...SPH with editors who can be sack if they were not aligned with the papa leadership. It is still like this until today. But SPH is become irrelevant. The PAP has implemented many other  hurdles for the opposition including votes for upgrading carrots. Short electioneering periods. The govt has constantly tweaked the laws. Now we POFMA and FICA...more tools jn the arsenal. Mild critics  of the govt like Leong Sze Hian were targeted for action. There is no shortage of attempts to bring down the WP which is like the most careful opposition party in the world. It is now a rule by law system they have many tools and rules and can take down opponents and critics in many ways. 

LKY and the PAP has replaced some part of what elections does with a selection system of scholarship and internal ascension. The 4th gen leaders emerge as an outcome of this process. They distrust the election process but cannot remove it completely. The idea of letting less educated and less successful members elect leaders goes against their idea of having leaders selected by the top and among themselves.

[starbugs]

Are elections in the USA democratic? With bad losers like Trump around?

[Scythian]

And LKY is an autocrat, not a democrat.

https://mothership.sg/2022/07/tommy-koh-...-kuan-yew/

Singapore PM Lee should invite Kissinger to speak in Parliament A & Q why our system is not democratic.

[sgbuffett]

Singapore PM Lee should invite Kissinger to speak in Parliament A & Q why our system is not democratic.

I think it is quite pointless as there are standard lines of arguing why our system is like this

1. In PAP framing they  call "democracy" as "Liberal" or Western style democracy as if there are many types of democracy.

2. They will then question the suitability of this type of democracy for our society. Freedom of speech can inflame  religious sentiment and cause riots. 

Shanmuggan's speech to the Americans on our system

https://blog.freedomfromthepress.info/20...t-america/

[Napoleon Porlumpar]

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Timing is right to sue Kissinger.

Kisisnger was LKY's supervisor lah.....................both are Zionist puppets................

[moonrab]

When opposition win a constituent in GE..
They applause with democracy is great..
The people spoken.

When they loses, SG election is not democratic....

Democracy? 
US Republican just cry foul in last GE, Votes stolen. Storm govt building, one shot to death.
In some countries, black-out can  change voting result.. 

That is the perfect democracy? 
OMG!!!!

[Sticw]

All humans system from family to companies to country works as follows; it's human nature.
Voting for leadership is democratic (with lots of undercurrent and lobbying seen or unseen), all system then builds up much like a socialistic manner (but still very much with the boss overweighted). And when it comes to the top guy or team, they want to run like a dictator or communistic way.

It's written in our DNA.

[[[ForeverAlone]]]

I only know without RICH Bosses, CEO around support . NO Political party can have upper hand to win other parties come election.


End of the day Politician also need Rich , influence group of people behind support thus vote for them.

[Ichigo]

Wow this guy 99 years still haven’t kick the puppet ah?
He outlived the autocrat!
Long live Kissstinker!

[menghuii]

kissinger's team knew abt the grc thing but didnt know how to explain to him.

[Manthink]

kissinger's team knew abt the grc thing but didnt know how to explain to him.

Me guess Kissinger knows how PAP uses the GRC to game the "democratic" system, like the American does with their bipartisan politics of revolving doors and lobbying cultures.

End of the Day since the fall of the USSR, we have seen examples of "Democracies" have often become sad joke sold on the basis of fooling the average man-in-the-street, from India, Philippines, Sri Lanka, M'sia, Thailand, S Korea and yes Province of TW 

[Manthink]

Singapore PM Lee should invite Kissinger to speak in Parliament A & Q why our system is not democratic.

Indirectly Kissinger was saying Singapore leaders wasted taxpayers $$$ studying in UK and US  learning "garbage" and manipulate compost rubbish recycle  only  suited themselves. Close similarity to African politics.

Ms Scythian, may I suggest we should invite Mr Anwar to come and talk about Bolehland's democratic system, which many would agree is more "closely similar to African politics"  

[menghuii]

at one glance our neighbours appear much more democratic than us. they'll laugh at our honglim park.

but their voters choice can be overturned overnight by mp shifters. so does one still say they are democratic?

even now their parliament is trying to disallow frogmen but cldnt get any headway.

most of the politicians pro or oppo dont like the idea. it doesnt give them leeways.

and their legal system is just 'fantastic' for short of a better word. you can skip courts, delay, appeal and drag..like forever. and finally finally finally when theres no way out, theres negotiation.

i'd say for msian politiks, watch their legal system which all politicians there rely on regardless u hv evidence against them or not.

[Bigbluedot]

Kiss can be sued. Hihi

[Ola]

We only WAYANG to act Democratic, lah

Look at the Presidential Election criteria

This is how they call Honesty, lor