[Blasterlord2]

Correct, this round with Pritam, Edwin Tong got beaten by Pritam hands down. ET actually looks like an idiot with the way he interrogated.........

Doesn't seem that way to me. Though ET portrayed himself badly because of the way he kept interrupting PS, I don't think he was beaten by PS. At most it's a draw. Both of them have hits and misses.

[lylcnn]

The way ET kept repeating the same questions and trying to corner PS was totally disgusting. He told PS his questions are simple and not leading and not to read too much into them.  But it was clearly the opposite.... they were meant to trap him.

Wasted so many hours just going round and round and round. It is a shit show by ET.

Believe this is because Pritam's replies (as well as Faisal's) outrageously defy logic in so many instances. Did you all watch YouTube in its entirety or not?

[p1acebo]

Walauheh …. what colour he wears who is paying him?

Is his underwear white too?

[RichDad]

Believe this is because Pritam's replies (as well as Faisal's) outrageously defy logic in so many instances. Did you all watch YouTube in its entirety or not?

Logic? What logic?

PS already told them what happened and his reasons for it and ET still keep asking the same questions. Just take down the statement. Anyway, the COP will make the judgement later, right?

Nothing to do with logic. He was just trying to make PS admit a wrong but PS was no easy meat. Why cant accept what he said?

Like cotton said... what's the point behind his repeated questions??

[Sticw]

I watched 80% of the clip and got bored.

The COP chaired by PAP govt was basically trying to drive at the point about honesty and need to own up. PS agreed to that right upfront. However he also stated that the lie and liar in this case lied about something where she was a victim of. But as it was very personal (maybe Edwin or any other white folks don't think others getting rape matters much then they should get rape and celebrate it with the public immediately) and she has to settle it at home before going public (to correct her lie).

When PAP makes a mistake (lying or otherwise) it's genuine and can keep quiet until someone leaks it out. But when it comes to opposition party, they need to be flawlessly God sent and must full Monty to rest of the world immediately.

It's truly a waste of taxpayer's money to see so many highly paid people sitting there listening on the COP panel. And the liar's statement is now golden against the very party that was sensitive to her emotions and confidentiality. Doesn't that seem so odd?

Anyways, the sg govt should focus on:
1. Lowering cost of living,
2. Helping citizens realise their potential (not as gig economy grab delivery guys but thinking bigger and doing better instead of giving those opportunities to foreigners)

And if they have time for COP, why not restart the physical MPS sessions? Surely that helps the residences better than nailing the opposition.

Thanks...

[RichDad]

I watched 80% of the clip and got bored.

The COP chaired by PAP govt was basically trying to drive at the point about honesty and need to own up. PS agreed to that right upfront. However he also stated that the lie and liar in this case lied about something where she was a victim of. But as it was very personal (maybe Edwin or any other white folks don't think others getting rape matters much then they should get rape and celebrate it with the public immediately) and she has to settle it at home before going public (to correct her lie).

When PAP makes a mistake (lying or otherwise) it's genuine and can keep quiet until someone leaks it out. But when it comes to opposition party, they need to be flawlessly God sent and must full Monty to rest of the world immediately.

It's truly a waste of taxpayer's money to see so many highly paid people sitting there listening on the COP panel. And the liar's statement is now golden against the very party that was sensitive to her emotions and confidentiality. Doesn't that seem so odd?

Anyways, the sg govt should focus on:
1. Lowering cost of living,
2. Helping citizens realise their potential (not as gig economy grab delivery guys but thinking bigger and doing better instead of giving those opportunities to foreigners)

And if they have time for COP, why not restart the physical MPS sessions? Surely that helps the residences better than nailing the opposition.

Thanks...

Well said. There are other more pressing matters to attend to.

Anyway this COP thing should also apply to the TT saga if they really want to follow the rules.. Double standards.

That's the problem with a one party rule.

It is clear to all that the COP is all out to destroy WP.

Let's see what they will do to SL.

[Stoki]

That's the problem with a one party rule.

It is clear to all that the COP is all out to destroy WP.

However. this COP will destroy PnP instead.

Watch it and you will laugh until you fall off the chair. Very comical.

[debono]

That’s exactly what I said earlier, this ET is very unprofessional, arrogant and lacks proper manners. ET hv to brush up more on these areas and needs to learn how to behave properly.

Well said, that is what is happening at the COP...

[Blasterlord2]

Believe this is because Pritam's replies (as well as Faisal's) outrageously defy logic in so many instances. Did you all watch YouTube in its entirety or not?

I agree with you. Many of Pritam's replies did not make any sense. I watched the entire video and found many of the replies defying logic. I'll  highlight just a couple (from the COP report).

On the 4th Oct sitting, before RK took the stand, she sent PS a WA, asking “What should I do, Pritam?”. Pritam did not reply to her at that time. RK then repeated the lie. After that, PS saw her WA and replied, “Will speak after sitting. Keep Chair and I posted.”

If PS had expected that RK made a clarification during that parliamentary sitting, his reply to RK would not be so mild when RK defied his instruction to make the clarification. It will be human nature to question why she did not do so.

And the strange thing is, after meeting RK on 4th Oct, he did not tell RK to make the clarification on 5th Oct, because as he said, he knew that RK had not revealed her sexual assault to her parents. But he didn't ask RK about it, rather he assumed that that this is so. It's not too difficult to do it. 

It's just a couple that I highlighted. There're more. I am quite certain that there's more to it than meets the eye.

I think PS told RK to 'take the truth to the grave' but I don't blame him for it. It's a difficult choice to make.

[RichDad]

I agree with you. Many of Pritam's replies did not make any sense. I watched the entire video and found many of the replies defying logic. I'll  highlight just a couple (from the COP report).


It's just a couple that I highlighted. There're more. I am quite certain that there's more to it than meets the eye.

I think PS told RK to 'take the truth to the grave' but I don't blame him for it. It's a difficult choice to make.

That's what you think but no one can be certain. Even cardboard tan admitted this.

Logic does not play a part here because it is a personal decision on something very private. Maybe PS is that kind of a person? Who is to know?

Maybe he is a lousy leader in which case it is up to WP to change leader, not for PAP to probe since they cannot establish the truth. That's my view.

[Blasterlord2]

That's what you think but no one can be certain. Even cardboard tan admitted this.

Logic does not play a part here because it is a personal decision on something very private. Maybe PS is that kind of a person? Who is to know?

Maybe he is a lousy leader in which case it is up to WP to change leader, not for PAP to probe since they cannot establish the truth. That's my view.

Of course, PS can say that he's stupid that's why he did not think of doing all those things. At the same time, readers also have the free will to form their judgement.

To make illogical decision once is possible. To make a number of such decisions will lead one to think, could everything really be so coincidental?

Look, I don't side anyone and merely analyze the statements from a neutral point of view, without any feelings for WP or PAP. In fact, I'd have very much preferred that he really demolished PAP's questioning. 

But his replies left a lot more questions than answers.

[RichDad]

ET was stumped by PS. When the bully was bullied instead.... lol

[debono]

That's what you think but no one can be certain. Even cardboard tan admitted this.

Logic does not play a part here because it is a personal decision on something very private. Maybe PS is that kind of a person? Who is to know?

Maybe he is a lousy leader in which case it is up to WP to change leader, not for PAP to probe since they cannot establish the truth. That's my view.

On the contrary, I think PS is a suitable opposition leader, and that he will be able to recruit more WP members into his fold. It is not easy to find a really good opposition leader, and that PS does fit the bill......

[RichDad]

Of course, PS can say that he's stupid that's why he did not think of doing all those things. At the same time, readers also have the free will to form their judgement.

To make illogical decision once is possible. To make a number of such decisions will lead one to think, could everything really be so coincidental?

Look, I don't side anyone and merely analyze the statements from a neutral point of view, without any feelings for WP or PAP. In fact, I'd have very much preferred that he really demolished PAP's questioning. 

But his replies left a lot more questions than answers.

It is your view only. Not everyone has the same view. I am also not taking sides. Just saying it is indeed possible because we don't really know how a person thinks, especially when such a personal matter is involved.

[Stoki]

ET was stumped by PS.  When the bully was bullied instead.... lol

ET stump like a vegetable.

[debono]

It is your view only. Not everyone has the same view.  I am also not taking sides. Just saying it is indeed possible because we don't really know how a person thinks, especially when such a personal matter is involved.

From all the narrative I hear so far, I do suspect that RK does not want to reveal her rape case in UK when she was  18 years-old. She did not tell her parents and her husband cos it is a very shameful thing to reveal......

[Blasterlord2]

It is your view only. Not everyone has the same view.  I am also not taking sides. Just saying it is indeed possible because we don't really know how a person thinks, especially when such a personal matter is involved.

My point is, his handling the situation is not what a 'normal' person will do. We need not put it into a survey and ask the public, but many will share my view. We could say that PS is unique and handles things different from other people, but the judge doesn't go by that line of thought. He will go by what a person will logically and normally do. For example, if a person has always been using his right hand to hold the spoon to scoop his food and he then tells the judge that in the crime scene he just so decides that he wants to use his left hand, will the judge believe it? 

And there is not one, but a number of illogicalities in PS's statements.

Edit: After some thinking, a better example would be, let's assume that your subordinate and your good friend embezzled money in the company. Out of compassion, you told him that he can settle his family issues first before he accounts for it in the next board meeting. For a period of 2 months you did not question him on his status. Even the day before the board meeting itself, you did not ask him if he has settled his family affairs, nor ask him if he will make a confession in the board meeting the next day. And when he did not confess in the next meeting, you did not ask him why but instead assume that he didn't do so because he hasn't settle his family affairs. You also did not ask him to make a confession in the next day (which also has a board meeting).

Now, tell me, does this sound logical?

[debono]

My point is, his handling the situation is not what a 'normal' person will do. We need not put it into a survey and ask the public, but many will share my view. We could say that PS is unique and handles things different from other people, but the judge doesn't go by that line of thought. He will go by what a person will logically and normally do. For example, if a person has always been using his right hand to hold the spoon to scoop his food and he then tells the judge that in the crime scene he just so decides that he wants to use his left hand, will the judge believe it? 

And there is not one, but a number of illogicalities in PS's statements.

We may have different views about the COP, and how it pan out.  But in WP we have an effective opposition in Parliament.  Therefore we should not kill the goose that lay the golden egg.  If PS lost in the next GE, which I think is still possible, then we are handicapped with the present ruling party....

[RichDad]

My point is, his handling the situation is not what a 'normal' person will do. We need not put it into a survey and ask the public, but many will share my view. We could say that PS is unique and handles things different from other people, but the judge doesn't go by that line of thought. He will go by what a person will logically and normally do. For example, if a person has always been using his right hand to hold the spoon to scoop his food and he then tells the judge that in the crime scene he just so decides that he wants to use his left hand, will the judge believe it? 

And there is not one, but a number of illogicalities in PS's statements.

Like I say, this case is unique because of a very personal matter. In your example, the judge may or may not believe the person, depending on the circumstances. But even so,, the judge cannot say he lied just because normally he uses his right hand. I sometimes hold my glass in my left hand and drink even though I usually use my right hand, it all depends on the circumstances.

In this case, the COP should give him the benefit of the doubt because they can't prove anything. That's why ET was trying very hard to pin PS down to admit so they will have a strong case against him.

PS may well turn out to be soft and indecisive leader, not necessarily a dishonest or fishy one like you say. If this is the case, then it will be left to WP members to sort it out themselves and for voters to decide what to do next.

But obviously the COP will do their best to nail him, no doubts about it.

[Blasterlord2]

We may have different views about the COP, and how it pan out.  But in WP we have an effective opposition in Parliament.  Therefore we should not kill the goose that lay the golden egg.  If PS lost in the next GE, which I think is still possible, then we are handicapped with the present ruling party....

I've just added an example to my original post. Please tell me if it is logical or not.

I've already said before, I don't believe in giving PAP a majority in parliament. I'd rather vote for a dog than another MIW. I'm merely dissecting this from a neutral perspective.

[Tangsen]

I've just added an example to my original post. Please tell me if it is logical or not.

I've already said before, I don't believe in giving PAP a majority in parliament. I'd rather vote for a dog than another MIW. I'm merely dissecting this from a neutral perspective.

Hello can you not degrade a dog. A dog has more dignity than those white country selling thieves ….. pls use sewage rats

[luncheonmeat]

No matter how well PS and SL performed in their hearing the PAPaya verdict will still find the 3 WP senior members guilty of lying and negligence etc, etc. since they are the real targets of dis farce and not RK.
RK maybe let off with stern warning bcos she's emotionally frail and she co-operated fully with PAPaya.

Dis hearing iz mainly for PAPaya to try to character assassinate WP's image in the eyes of the public but so far WP though embattled still manages to retain its primary core voters who see through 154 media's smear campaign tactics.

[RichDad]

I've just added an example to my original post. Please tell me if it is logical or not.

I've already said before, I don't believe in giving PAP a majority in parliament. I'd rather vote for a dog than another MIW. I'm merely dissecting this from a neutral perspective.

Ok. I see your point. But the fact remains that they can't prove that PS covered up for RK.

Same thing happened with VB on the TT cockup. Why take so long to admit it?

In fact PS brought this up too.

[Gstalk]

PS said, You are going to gotcha me, nice try, but I am very transparent and truthful and not like the use of the  tracetogether token.

[debono]

PS said, You are going to gotcha me, nice try, but I am very transparent and truthful and not like the use of the  tracetogether token.

I feel that PS is a compassionate person when he said that he will donate half of his MP allowance to charity.  It must be noted that as an opposition leader he is entitled to 32K per month, but 16K will be given to a charity.  Why does he do it - he has a heart for the underprivileged and poor in our community.......

[RichDad]

I feel that PS is a compassionate person when he said that he will donate half of his MP allowance to charity.  It must be noted that as an opposition leader he is entitled to 32K per month, but 16K will be given to a charity.  Why does he do it - he has a heart for the underprivileged and poor in our community.......

Not half of his MP allowance but half of the increment due to him being the LOTO, I think.

[debono]

Not half of his MP allowance but half of the increment due to him being the LOTO, I think.

I remember vividly that PM Lee said that as the opposition leader he is entitled to double the allowance paid to MPs, and PS had come out to say that he will donate half of his 32K allowance to charity, I wonder which PAP MP is willing to do likewise......

[[[ForeverAlone]]]

ET stump like a vegetable.

LOL THAT WHY KONG HEE still need to go Jail , he must thinking I hire A MINISTER As my defence lawyer surely at least cut my sentence but never know , either Edwin tong sucks as lawyer or the evidence are too strong on the table.

I still puzzle why Edwin Tong as Minister take up this case he should know kong hee case is hardly can win etc due to strong evidences on the table. AGAIN $$$ OF COURSE. He is smart to take since is FREE money for him from Kong hee.

[wulala]

Is Tan Chuan Jin supposed be neutral?  Doesn’t seem so to me.

the whole sitting arrangement already says everything.

[Blasterlord2]

LOL THAT WHY KONG HEE  still need to go Jail , he must thinking  I hire A MINISTER As my defence lawyer surely at least cut my sentence but never know , either Edwin tong sucks as lawyer or the evidence are too strong on the table.

I still puzzle why Edwin Tong as Minister take up this case he should know kong hee case is hardly can win etc due to strong evidences on the table. AGAIN $$$ OF COURSE. He is smart to take since is FREE money for him from Kong hee.

For ET to be able to get KH such a light sentence is already a big achievement.