[Ali Imran]

You misinterpret the christian texts since the very beginning....the comforter, the one to come after Jesus is the Holy spirit if you read in context...mana Muhammad?

You are not taught to believe in the NT..then why are you taking a piss out of our scriptures.....

Calm down. We can discuss rationally and with civility.

We only say that because our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم fits the description of the one to come after Jesus pbuh. Truly, we don't know if the author of the book of John heard it right from Jesus or if he embellished or distorted the words of Jesus. Wallahu 'alam.

Your interpretation of the one to come after Jesus doesn't match reality. If you have the Holy Spirit in you, how come you don't know that Paul was paraphrasing Isaiah? How come there are many denominations within Christendom with different understandings of the religion and the theology? How come the Holy Spirit didn't guide all the Christians on the same path?

[Ali Imran]

We are Christians and not moslems ...not how the Quran defines us...they refer us as people of the books..never as moslems

I don't get your argument. Do explain what you're saying.

Who said you're a Muslim? Of course you're not. You don't want to submit to the almighty God. You want to go with your own feelings, your own emotions. You felt something in that room with the priests and you think its the Holy Spirit but you have no sure way of knowing if it is the Holy Spirit.

[pinkpanther]

I don't get your argument. Do explain what you're saying.

Who said you're a Muslim? Of course you're not. You don't want to submit to the almighty God. You want to go with your own feelings, your own emotions. You felt something in that room with the priests and you think its the Holy Spirit but you have no sure way of knowing if it is the Holy Spirit.

Hope Wrote: 
Allah didn’t name the followers of Torah and Injeel as Jews and Christian.You have named it yourself.

As per Quran, The followers of Torah , Injeel and Quran are Muslims.

[Ali Imran]

Hope Wrote: 
Allah didn’t name the followers of Torah and Injeel as Jews and Christian.You have named it yourself.

As per Quran, The followers of Torah , Injeel and Quran are Muslims.

Oh.. okay.

Jesus is a Muslim. David was a Muslim. John the Baptist was a Muslim. Etc. I'm sure you already know why we say there were Muslims.

Peace and blessings be upon the prophets mentioned.

[Hope]

Pls see highlighted in bold? So with your understanding of 3:48, did Jesus write the Torah?

Jesus didn’t write the Torah.
Allah taught the Torah to Jesus as he was not there when Torah was revealed to Moses.
Jesus didn’t teach the children of Israel with the book Rabbis were holding. 
Allah had to teach the real Torah to him.

[Hope]

you see how Islam lays claim to everything including one personal freedom in religion...

So why moslems ask moslems to pay a jizya and if they can't pay up, death is what awaits ...

What is Jizya? Muslim views the money collected by Donald trump  recently also a kind of Jizya.

[pinkpanther]

Jesus didn’t write the Torah.
Allah taught the Torah to Jesus as he was not there when Torah was revealed to Moses.
Jesus didn’t teach the children of Israel with the book Rabbis were holding. 
Allah had to teach the real Torah to him.

Allah taught the Torah to Jesus..
Jesus came and confirm the Torah to be good right?

Your friend says that the Injil was not recorded and written but you said Jesus wrote the Injil.

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Jesus did not personally write the Injil (Gospel). The Gospel is understood to have been revealed orally to Jesus, and then written down by his followers after his death. The Quran also doesn't explicitly state that Jesus wrote down the Gospel in book form.

[pinkpanther]

What is Jizya? Muslim views the money collected by Donald trump  recently also a kind of Jizya.

People of the books during Muhammad's time were required to pay a jizya if they choose to say No to Islam

[pinkpanther]

Oh.. okay.

Jesus is a Muslim. David was a Muslim. John the Baptist was a Muslim. Etc. I'm sure you already know why we say there were Muslims.

Peace and blessings be upon the prophets mentioned.

We do not need the moslems to tell the christians that we are monotheism

[Ali Imran]

We do not need the moslems to tell the christians that we are monotheism

Being a monotheist doesn't mean one is a Muslim.

Anyway, you say you're a monotheist with your tongue but you believe there are 3 Gods.

[Ali Imran]

People of the books during Muhammad's time were required to pay a jizya if they choose to say No to Islam

And if they cannot pay, they don't have to pay. The children, the women, the aged, they all don't need to pay.

Please don't spread that "pay or perish" lie. It is an outright lie.

[Hope]

We are Christians and not moslems ...not how the Quran defines us...they refer us as people of the books..never as moslems

I am also a people of the book. 

You are not a Muslims . Because 

1) you don’t follow the Gospel given to Jesus . You have 27 books and letters in NT.
2)You don’t submit to Allah without partners
3) you don’t follow the commandments 


Muslim means submitting to God alone who created this universe and gave scriptures to mankind 

Title of Muslims fit to me,Because 

1) I follow the Quran given to Prophet Muhammad 
2) I submit to Allah alone 
3) I follow the commandments 

We are called people of the book  we are following the same God’s scriptures.However your scriptures have both divine and man made writing.

[Hope]

We are Christians and not moslems ...not how the Quran defines us...they refer us as people of the books..never as moslems

Followers of Scrolls,Torah, Psalm , Injeel and Quran are people of the books.
Muslim means submitting to God alone.

If you are  Christian, please show me a single verse from bible which has over 45000 verses,confirming you are called Christian.

Anyway ,what is the meaning of Christian?

[pinkpanther]

And if they cannot pay, they don't have to pay. The children, the women, the aged, they all don't need to pay.

Please don't spread that "pay or perish" lie. It is an outright lie.

Do not sugarcoat..
Do You still expect to collect Jizya from the young, old and vulnerable? Of cos you only collect from capable,adult males .

So what are the consequences if one cannot pay the jizya

[Ali Imran]

Do not sugarcoat..
Do You still expect to collect Jizya from the young, old and vulnerable? Of cos you only collect from capable,adult males .

So what are the consequences if one cannot pay the jizya

I already told you. If they cannot pay, the poor for example, they don't have to pay.

[pinkpanther]

Followers of Scrolls,Torah, Psalm , Injeel and Quran are people of the books.
Muslim means submitting to God alone.

If you are  Christian, please show me a single verse from bible which has over 45000 verses,confirming you are called Christian.

Anyway ,what is the meaning of Christian?

1 Peter 4:16 (NIV) states, "However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name

If you believe in Christ as your lord and savior, get baptise and you are a christian

[pinkpanther]

I already told you. If they cannot pay, the poor for example, they don't have to pay.

For capable adult males lah ..

[pinkpanther]

Being a monotheist doesn't mean one is a Muslim.

Anyway, you say you're a monotheist with your tongue but you believe there are 3 Gods.

Hey your friend call us moslem...I didn't make that statement..so you disagree with him . He knows his Quran ..

You still want to be a kafir?

[Ali Imran]

For capable adult males lah ..

Yes, males of military age will have to pay the jizya.

But even so, if they are poor, they are exempted.

[Ali Imran]

Hey your friend call us moslem...I didn't make that statement..so you disagree with him . He knows his Quran ..

You still want to be a kafir?

The disciples of Jesus, as mentioned in the Quran as "the white-garbed ones", were Muslims.

[Hope]

What is Jizya? Muslim views the money collected by Donald trump  recently also a kind of Jizya.

People of the books during Muhammad's time were required to pay a jizya if they choose to say No to Islam

And if they cannot pay, they don't have to pay. The children, the women, the aged, they all don't need to pay.

Please don't spread that "pay or perish" lie. It is an outright lie.

Jizya was existed even during Moses time.please read exodus which you believe from your God Jesus.

During Muslims rule,

1) Muslim paid zakath to government 

2) Jizya was collected from non Muslim instead of Zakath, to provide social security .

Jizya was a little amount  comparing to the Zakath Muslim Paid to the state. Zakath percentage on wealth is fixed .

Donald Trump, a Christian, claimed  Jizya from three Arab states recently, to provide security to those rulers 😂This is modern type of Jizya.



Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

[pinkpanther]

The disciples of Jesus, as mentioned in the Quran as "the white-garbed ones", were Muslims.

what were the names of his disciples?

[Ali Imran]

what were the names of his disciples?

The Quran didn't mention their names so we don't know.

[pinkpanther]

Yes, males of military age will have to pay the jizya.

But even so, if they are poor, they are exempted.

Disagreement on application:

There is disagreement among scholars and historical accounts on how and when this punishment should be applied. Some interpretations suggest that death is a punishment for refusing to accept the imposition of jizya, while others emphasize the need to consider the circumstances behind the refusal.

[Ali Imran]

Disagreement on application:

There is disagreement among scholars and historical accounts on how and when this punishment should be applied. Some interpretations suggest that death is a punishment for refusing to accept the imposition of jizya, while others emphasize the need to consider the circumstances behind the refusal.

If they can pay but refused to pay, a penalty will ensue. If you're supposed to pay tax and you refuse to pay, you will end up in Changi.

What is the issue?

[pinkpanther]

The Quran didn't mention their names so we don't know.

You don know their names but you know they are moslems 

To be considered disciple of Jesus, they must have understand and learn the teachings of Jesus .do you agree? So it is possible for the Injil to be written down in a book form after Jesus

[Hope]

Being a monotheist doesn't mean one is a Muslim.

Anyway, you say you're a monotheist with your tongue but you believe there are 3 Gods.

Hey your friend call us moslem...I didn't make that statement..so you disagree with him . He knows his Quran ..

You still want to be a kafir?

Even Sikh claims they are monotheists.

However They’re not a people of the book.

You are not Muslims. The people who follow real Injeel are Muslims.

[pinkpanther]

If they can pay but refused to pay, a penalty will ensue. If you're supposed to pay tax and you refuse to pay, you will end up in Changi.

What is the issue?

I will end up in changi but I will not face the hangman..that is the difference

[Hope]

The disciples of Jesus, as mentioned in the Quran as "the white-garbed ones", were Muslims.

The Quran didn't mention their names so we don't know.

You don know their names but you know they are moslems 

To be considered disciple of Jesus, they must have understand and learn the teachings of Jesus .do you agree? So it is possible for the Injil to be written down in a book form after Jesus

Those disciples were Muslims.
Muslim means submitting to Allah without associating partners to him


“When Jesus sensed disbelief from his people, he asked, “Who will stand up with me for Allah?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for Allah. We believe in Allah, so bear witness that we have submitted.”Quran 3:52

[Ali Imran]

I will end up in changi but I will not face the hangman..that is the difference

The penalty is beside that point. As you already said, scholars differ in their opinions.

The offence is the issue I am addressing. If they cannot afford to pay, there is no offence.