[Ali Imran]

Allah specifically said that the Injil is with them!

Do you have books you call the Injeel (Gospel)?

Yes.

[pinkpanther]

"None can change his words" 

If Allah says "Be", it will definitely be. None can change it. When Allah says, "Every soul will taste death", no one can escape death.

Let me rephrase 
Can Allah's words be changed or altered?

[pinkpanther]

Do you have books you call the Injeel (Gospel)?

Yes.

 you just said it was lost

So where is the injil?

[Ali Imran]

 you just said it was lost

So where is the injil?

Do you have the exact words of Jesus?

[pinkpanther]

Do you have books you call the Injeel (Gospel)?

Yes.

surah 5 verses 43-47 state that the people of the book do not need to judge by the Quran? Why did Allah instruct them to judge by their books if they were corrupted or lost?


Surah 5:68 Say to them: "O people of the Book, you have no ground (for argument) until you follow the Torah and the Gospel and what has been revealed to you by your Lord."

[pinkpanther]

Do you have the exact words of Jesus?

Only our gospel contains Jesus's words...
You can't find Jesus's words anywhere else

[Ali Imran]

Let me rephrase 
Can Allah's words be changed or altered?

Once Allah has spoken a thing, it will come to be. No one can change it.

Once Allah has given a command, none can change it, except Allah.

[Ali Imran]

Only our gospel contains Jesus's words...
You can't find Jesus's words anywhere else

Those are interpretations/translations of Jesus's words.

[pinkpanther]

Once Allah has spoken a thing, it will come to be. No one can change it.

Once Allah has given a command, none can change it, except Allah.

So can anyone change the Torah and Injil if Allah said that no one can change His words? 

Does Allah make a mistake by not preserving previous scriptures, or does He choose to apply double standards?

[Ali Imran]

surah 5 verses 43-47 state that the people of the book do not need to judge by the Quran? Why did Allah instruct them to judge by their books if they were corrupted or lost?

That is a specific case. The Jews came to the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم asking him for judgement, with the intention to trap the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.

Allah knows better what was in their hearts, and Allah is wiser. So Allah reveals to the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to ask them to refer to their scriptures.

As I've said, Allah knows what scriptures they have in their hands.

[pinkpanther]

Those are interpretations/translations of Jesus's words.

AI Overview


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Yes, the Bible, specifically the New Testament, contains the words of Jesus. These are primarily found in the four Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. These Gospels are considered biographies or retellings of Jesus' life, and they include direct quotes and accounts of his teachings.

[Ali Imran]

So can anyone change the Torah and Injil if Allah said that no one can change His words? 

No one can remove revelations from Allah, except what Allah wills to be removed.

[Ali Imran]

AI Overview


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Yes, the Bible, specifically the New Testament, contains the words of Jesus. These are primarily found in the four Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. These Gospels are considered biographies or retellings of Jesus' life, and they include direct quotes and accounts of his teachings.

Do you think Jesus preached in Koine Greek to the peasants of Galilee?

[Ali Imran]

Does Allah make a mistake by not preserving previous scriptures, or does He choose to apply double standards?

Allah does not make mistakes. 

And I don't question Allah's judgement.

[pinkpanther]

Do you think Jesus preached in Koine Greek to the peasants of Galilee?

there's a strong possibility he spoke and taught in Greek.

[pinkpanther]

Allah does not make mistakes. 

And I don't question Allah's judgement.

You question Allah's judgement all the time....the Palestinians genocide, the killings were all part of Allah's judgement....

It is a mistake that Allah is unwilling to correct any time soon

[pinkpanther]

No one can remove revelations from Allah, except what Allah wills to be removed.

So the Torah and Injil cannot be removed...so why do you say they were lost ...

[Ali Imran]

there's a strong possibility he spoke and taught in Greek.

So you don't know.

Yes, scholars don't know exactly what language was spoken by Jesus. By that admission, we cannot be sure that the words attributed to Jesus found in the 4 Gospels came from Jesus's mouth. 

On top of that, the 4 Gospels were written a few decades after Jesus. And the words of Jesus differ from one Gospel to another.

[Ali Imran]

So the Torah and Injil cannot be removed...so why do you say they were lost ...

I didn't say Allah will preserve the Torah of Moses and the Injeel of Jesus.

Peace be upon the 2 mighty messengers of Allah.

[Ali Imran]

You question Allah's judgement all the time....the Palestinians genocide, the killings were all part of Allah's judgement....

It is a mistake  that Allah is unwilling to correct any time soon

No I didn't question what Allah wills.

I will simply ask you the same question again. Why do you blame God for the evil men do?

[pinkpanther]

I didn't say Allah will preserve the Torah of Moses and the Injeel of Jesus.

Peace be upon the 2 mighty messengers of Allah.

Does Allah intend for His books to be corrupted? Does He plan for both of His scriptures to be lost?

Allah seems to be a naughty God!!

[pinkpanther]

No I didn't question what Allah wills.

I will simply ask you the same question again. Why do you blame God for the evil men do?

Why? Because God is the most high and He allows them to do evil! Why do you blame men when you submit to Allah's will?

[Ali Imran]

Why? Because God is the most high and He allows them to do evil!

We all are given the choice to do good or bad. That's why there will be reward and punishment in the hereafter.

[Ali Imran]

Does Allah intend for His books to be corrupted? Does He plan for both of His scriptures to be lost?

Allah seems to be a naughty God!!

I don't question Allah's judgement.

You can mock Allah as much as you want.

[pinkpanther]

We all are given the choice to do good or bad. That's why there will be reward and punishment in the hereafter.

Are you really after rewards in your afterlife?

[pinkpanther]

I don't question Allah's judgement.

You can mock Allah as much as you want.

 
 It is my responsibility to challenge your faith if you are untroubled by some of Allah's anonymous judgments....

[Ali Imran]

Are you really after rewards in your afterlife?

The greatest reward is that Allah likes me.

[Lukongsimi]

That is a specific case. The Jews came to the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم asking him for judgement, with the intention to trap the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.

Allah knows better what was in their hearts, and Allah is wiser. So Allah reveals to the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to ask them to refer to their scriptures.

As I've said, Allah knows what scriptures they have in their hands.

Did your allah reveal anything to you in your heart?

[Lukongsimi]

The greatest reward is that Allah likes me.

How you know he likes you?

[pinkpanther]

The greatest reward is that Allah likes me.

You sound like a kid...a child longing for a father's affection....

Can a master truly love his slaves?