[pinkpanther]

So Jesus told his followers that they must keep the commandments, and Paul came along after Jesus, saying they don't need to do that, practically cancelling what Jesus said.

So, you got your religion from Paul.

Paul's teachings about the commandments do not contradict Jesus's. While Jesus emphasized keeping the commandments, Paul clarified that salvation is not earned through works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ.

Remember the NT, frequently states that belief in Jesus Christ is the path to salvation. Many verses emphasize that those who believe in Jesus will receive eternal life and escape condemnation.

 Paul's emphasis on grace doesn't negate the importance of good works, but rather redefines their role as a response to God's love and grace, not a means to earn it. 

In fact Muhammad's teachings are in line with that of Paul..a mix of faith and good works ..so if you think we got our religion from Paul, then Muhammad got the core teachings of Islamic faith from Paul too..

[Lukongsimi]

What did Muhammad say about the Bible?
Documented evidence has been presented showing all sources of Islam (the Quran, the Hadith, and the Sira) teach that the Bible is the Word of God. For a Muslim to deny that the truths that the Bible teaches equates to denying Muhammad's teachings. Clearly, Muhammad fully believed the Bible to be God's word.

Why the Moslem don’t believe what their prophet said that the Bible is true ?

[Lukongsimi]

What did Prophet Muhammad say about the Bible?
From three sources of Islam, the Quran, Hadith, and Sira, evidence has been produced that establish that Muhammad believed the Bible to be the Word of God. There is no word of corruption of these Scriptures, there is only confirmation that the Bible is God's truth

[Lukongsimi]

Jesus Teaches People How To Fulfill the Law and the Prophets
Matthew captures Jesus’ most poignant teaching in chapters 5-7, often called the Sermon on the Mount. He begins with his vision for human life in the Kingdom of the heavens (Matt. 5:1-12). It’s an upside-down kingdom where the humiliated and afflicted find honor, never to experience poor treatment again. It’s a world where the greatest power is love, not wealth or might. It’s a kingdom where the ways of God and the ways of humankind become united as one.
Life in God’s Kingdom, Jesus says, is about completing (or filling full) one's love for others. By loving God and neighbor, average people join God in the work of establishing his Kingdom (e.g. Matt. 22:37-40; John 13:34-35; John 17:20-26). Through their love, people living in Jesus’ way welcome all others to enter his world, where Heaven and Earth meet (see Matt. 5:14-16; cf. Isa. 2).
For example, the command “Do not murder” seems achievable on the surface—just don’t murder people. But Jesus suggests this is not the law’s ultimate goal. Yes, the point was to end human violence, but even more it was to guide people into the attitudes and ways of loving one another.
When we avoid murder, we partly fill the law. When we love, we fill it full.

[Ali Imran]

Paul's teachings about the commandments do not contradict Jesus's. While Jesus emphasized keeping the commandments, Paul clarified that salvation is not earned through works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ.

Remember the NT, frequently states that belief in Jesus Christ is the path to salvation. Many verses emphasize that those who believe in Jesus will receive eternal life and escape condemnation.

 Paul's emphasis on grace doesn't negate the importance of good works, but rather redefines their role as a response to God's love and grace, not a means to earn it. 

In fact Muhammad's teachings are in line with that of Paul..a mix of faith and good works ..so if you think we got our religion from Paul, then Muhammad got the core teachings of Islamic faith from Paul too..

So you agree that Jesus said keeping the commandments is a must, but Paul said it is not. That's what I've been saying all along. 

We are in agreement.

[pinkpanther]

So you agree that Jesus said keeping the commandments is a must, but Paul said it is not. That's what I've been saying all along. 

We are in agreement.

Romans 3:31

Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.


What did Paul says?

[pinkpanther]

What did Prophet Muhammad say about the Bible?
From three sources of Islam, the Quran, Hadith, and Sira, evidence has been produced that establish that Muhammad believed the Bible to be the Word of God. There is no word of corruption of these Scriptures, there is only confirmation that the Bible is God's truth

Wah ..even Muhammad thinks that the Bible is the Word of God ...but our friend will choose to disagree with his prophet 

[Ali Imran]

Romans 3:31

Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.


What did Paul says?

You eat pork. That means you didn't keep the commandments. Correct?

[pinkpanther]

You eat pork. That means you didn't keep the commandments. Correct?

Why you eat camel meat when the dietary laws explicitly says No!

Jesus himself taught that what comes out of a person, not what goes into their mouth, defiles them ..
Go read Mark

[Ali Imran]

Why you eat camel meat when the dietary laws explicitly says No!

Jesus himself taught that what comes out of a person, not what goes into their mouth, defiles them ..
Go read Mark

I am not a follower of Jesus. I don't abide by kosher. Told you that many times already.

Camel meat is halal. Btw, I've never had camel meat. But I like shellfish, which is not kosher but halal.

[Ali Imran]

Jesus himself taught that what comes out of a person, not what goes into their mouth, defiles them ..
Go read Mark

Are you trying to say that Jesus abolished that law when he said he wouldn't do that?

[pinkpanther]

Are you trying to say that Jesus abolished that law when he said he wouldn't do that?

Hello ..I thought this was over and done since yesterday ..why are we back to square one..

Jesus fulfilled the law, not abolish it. This means he came to bring the law to its intended purpose and meaning, not to negate it. Ultimately, Christians are not required to observe the OT dietary laws for salvation or religious reasons....

[pinkpanther]

Are you trying to say that Jesus abolished that law when he said he wouldn't do that?

Are you trying to say that Muhammad abolished that law when the dietary law prohibited camel meat for consumption ?

[Ali Imran]

Hello ..I thought this was over and done since yesterday ..why are we back to square one..

Jesus fulfilled the law, not abolish it. This means he came to bring the law to its intended purpose and meaning, not to negate it. Ultimately, Christians are not required to observe the OT dietary laws for salvation or religious reasons....

So Jesus didn't abolish the prohibition on pork. That law is still in effect. 

So, when you eat pork, that means you're not keeping the commandments, right?

[Ali Imran]

Are you trying to say that Muhammad abolished that law when the dietary law prohibited camel meat for consumption ?

Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم brought a new law, the Shariah.

[pinkpanther]

I am not a follower of Jesus. I don't abide by kosher. Told you that many times already.

Camel meat is halal. Btw, I've never had camel meat. But I like shellfish, which is not kosher but  halal.

The dietary law came from your God, the God of the Israelites as well.... why are you throwing out God's commandments ...and yes shellfish are prohibited as well

The rich arabs love camel meat and I heard it has a strong smell...not very appetising

[pinkpanther]

Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم brought a new law, the Shariah.

So he abolished God's dietary law because this law was given to the jews

[pinkpanther]

So Jesus didn't abolish the prohibition on pork. That law is still in effect. 

So, when you eat pork, that means you're not keeping the commandments, right?

Jesus already said that it doesnt matter what goes inside the body ..it matters what comes out from the mouth.....

[Lukongsimi]

No, Jesus did not forbid eating pork. While the Old Testament (specifically Leviticus 11) includes dietary laws that prohibit eating pork, the New Testament, particularly through the teachings of Jesus and the Apostle Paul, indicates that these laws are no longer binding on Christians. 

[size=11]Here's a more detailed explanation:[/size]

• [size=11]Old Testament Law:
  [size=11]The Old Testament, particularly the book of Leviticus, outlines specific dietary laws, including the prohibition of pork for the Israelites. 
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• [size=11]Jesus's Teaching:
  [size=11]In the New Testament, Jesus declared that all foods are clean. In Mark 7:19, Jesus is recorded as saying, "Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from the outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?". This suggests that dietary laws are not a matter of spiritual defilement. 
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• [size=11]Apostle Paul's Teachings:
  [size=11]The Apostle Paul also emphasized that Christians are free from the constraints of the Old Testament dietary laws. In Romans 14, Paul discusses the issue of eating certain foods and emphasizes that what matters is the heart and not the specific food consumed. 
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• [size=11]New Covenant:
  [size=11]Christians are considered to be under the New Covenant, which, according to many interpretations, supersedes the Old Covenant dietary laws. 
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Therefore, while Jesus and the early church acknowledged the Old Testament dietary laws, they ultimately taught that these laws were fulfilled in Christ and no longer applied to believers under the New Covenant

[pinkpanther]

No, Jesus did not forbid eating pork. While the Old Testament (specifically Leviticus 11) includes dietary laws that prohibit eating pork, the New Testament, particularly through the teachings of Jesus and the Apostle Paul, indicates that these laws are no longer binding on Christians. 

[size=11]Here's a more detailed explanation:[/size]

• [size=11]Old Testament Law:
  [size=11]The Old Testament, particularly the book of Leviticus, outlines specific dietary laws, including the prohibition of pork for the Israelites. 
  [/size][/size]
  
• [size=11]Jesus's Teaching:
  [size=11]In the New Testament, Jesus declared that all foods are clean. In Mark 7:19, Jesus is recorded as saying, "Do you not see that whatever goes into a man from the outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?". This suggests that dietary laws are not a matter of spiritual defilement. 
  [/size][/size]
  
• [size=11]Apostle Paul's Teachings:
  [size=11]The Apostle Paul also emphasized that Christians are free from the constraints of the Old Testament dietary laws. In Romans 14, Paul discusses the issue of eating certain foods and emphasizes that what matters is the heart and not the specific food consumed. 
  [/size][/size]
  
• [size=11]New Covenant:
  [size=11]Christians are considered to be under the New Covenant, which, according to many interpretations, supersedes the Old Covenant dietary laws. 
  [/size][/size]
  

Therefore, while Jesus and the early church acknowledged the Old Testament dietary laws, they ultimately taught that these laws were fulfilled in Christ and no longer applied to believers under the New Covenant

Yes lah 

[Ali Imran]

So he abolished God's dietary law because this law was given to the jews

Not abolish. Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم was given a new set of laws, for the Gentiles, named Shariah.

If you say you're a follower of Jesus, the law is Halakhah, and it is more restrictive. 

But if you're a follower of Paul, there is no law.

So, who do you follow?

[Ali Imran]

Jesus already said that it doesnt matter what goes inside the body ..it matters what comes out from the mouth.....

Will you please make up your mind?

If you believe Jesus permits eating pork, that means he abolished that law. 

Is that what you believe?

[Ali Imran]

The dietary law came from your God, the God of the Israelites as well.... why are you throwing out God's commandments ...and yes shellfish are prohibited as well

The rich arabs love camel meat and I heard it has a strong smell...not very appetising

Yes, God gave that law to the Israelites. 

And God gave a different law to the great nation.

[pinkpanther]

Not abolish. Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم was given a new set of laws, for the Gentiles, named Shariah.

If you say you're a follower of Jesus, the law is Halakhah, and it is more restrictive. 

But if you're a follower of Paul, there is no law.

So, who do you follow?

 Halakhah.... that's for the followers of Moses lah...

Paul already said it very clearly that the law must be uphold through faith...this is exactly what Muhammad taught..good works + faith...are you suggesting that Muhammad is wrong?

[pinkpanther]

Will you please make up your mind?

If you believe Jesus permits eating pork, that means he abolished that law. 

Is that what you believe?

Mark 7:19, "Thus he declared all foods clean,"

[pinkpanther]

Yes, God gave that law to the Israelites. 

And God gave a different law to the great nation.

Are you referring to the great nation that sits on the sidelines and observes their fellow brothers perish? I agree with your assessment.

[pinkpanther]

Will you please make up your mind?

If you believe Jesus permits eating pork, that means he abolished that law. 

Is that what you believe?

Let me repeat for the last time
we believe that Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses (the Torah) and that salvation is achieved through faith in Jesus Christ, not by strict adherence to all the laws of the Torah.....

[Ali Imran]

 Halakhah.... that's for the followers of Moses lah...

Paul already said it very clearly that the law must be uphold through faith...this is exactly what Muhammad taught..good works + faith...are you suggesting that Muhammad is wrong?

If you don't have faith, no point in talking about the law. 

Yes, Halakhah is the Mosaic law. Jesus told his followers that if they want salvation, they must keep that law. You believe otherwise, that the law is optional. 

Muhammad's teaching is the same as Jesus's, albeit with a different set of laws. Obedience to the respective law is a must.

[Ali Imran]

Let me repeat for the last time
we believe that Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses (the Torah) and that salvation is achieved through faith in Jesus Christ, not by strict adherence to all the laws of the Torah.....

Jesus said if you want salvation, you must keep the commandments, and that includes the prohibition on pork. Jesus didn't say "not by strict adherence to all the laws of the Torah". That one is not from Jesus. We both know where you got that one from.

[Ali Imran]

Are you referring to the great nation that sits on the sidelines and observes their fellow brothers perish? I agree with your assessment.

Trying hard to change the topic huh?