[Ali Imran]

The header for John 17 reads " Jesus prays to be glorified"...so Jesus is praying to His Father the only true God because He is vulnerable, He is only a human, He is afraid of death

Can you imagine a God who is afraid?

[Ali Imran]

John 17:5 tells you that you cannot be right!
How can a man pre existed with God?

It's not me. I didn't say what we see in John 17:3. It was Jesus who said that, according to the Gospel.

Again. John 17:5 does not negate John 17:3.

[Ali Imran]

Then show me from your Quran that the Trinity it was talking were God the Father, Jesus and the Holy spirit..

No, the Quran didn't tell us who the three gods are. It doesn't need to do that.

[Ali Imran]

Theologically, what is meant by the Trinity in the Qur'an is a belief in three Gods: God (Allah), Jesus (Isa), and Mary, as the three independent Gods, while the Christian belief confirms that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit (not Mary) are one God, not three independent gods. 

The Quran does not say Mary is part of the Trinity.

[Lukongsimi]

You mean when Jesus was praying to the Father, he didn't know that he was also a true God? If he knows that he is also a true God, saying the Father is the only true God would make what he said false.

When Jesus the word has become flesh He is a human just like us
Pray to Father God to seek guidance protection 
Usually he will go to a quiet place all by Himself to pray
But He is still God who did many miracles while on earth 
You will not accept the truth becos u are taught to believe the opposite 
Can’t blame you unless God opens your eyes n ears n touch your stony cold heart just like many other millions of moslems who saw the light 
Keep on asking the same q n never understand the truth that is you can’t be helped
That is why Christian prince call your kind abdool
What is the meaning of abdool? Not sure but it’s not pleasant lol
Don’t blame me if u again ask same questions !

[Lukongsimi]

The Quran does not say Mary is part of the Trinity.

No need to state trinity the meaning is there

[Lukongsimi]

Time for him to wash the dishes and head to bed

In malang meaning scold people in hokkien 
He usually sleeps early or maybe his woman might pull his ears to bed 
She will suspect he is talking to his sweetheart at late nites  

[pinkpanther]

You mean when Jesus was praying to the Father, he didn't know that he was also a true God? If he knows that he is also a true God, saying the Father is the only true God would make what he said false.

There is nothing wrong for a humbled Jesus to refer to His Father as the only true God when He prays

[pinkpanther]

Can you imagine a God who is afraid?

Yes... especially one who took on flesh

[pinkpanther]

In malang meaning scold people in hokkien 
He usually sleeps early or maybe his woman might pull his ears to bed 
She will suspect he is taking to his sweetheart at late nites  

 ma Lang is to scold people...his wife ask him kneel on durains if he cannot wash finish the dishes

[pinkpanther]

No, the Quran didn't tell us who the three gods are. It doesn't need to do that.

Yeah right...the Quran doesn't even need to be publish at all...it lacks almost every details

[pinkpanther]

It's not me. I didn't say what we see in John 17:3. It was Jesus who said that, according to the Gospel.

Again. John 17:5 does not negate John 17:3.

John 17:5 is unambiguous...there is no room for misinterpretation..once you finished reading it on whole context, you know that John 17:3 does not hold any weight

[Lukongsimi]

 ma Lang is to scold people...his wife ask him kneel on durains if he cannot wash finish the dishes

That is why he has to go out find food himself rather than wash dishes 
Drink kopi also has to drive all the way out lol

[Ali Imran]

John 17:5 is unambiguous...there is no room for misinterpretation..once you finished reading it on whole context, you know that John 17:3 does not hold any weight

Imagine that. The words of Jesus hold no weight.

[Ali Imran]

There is nothing wrong for a humbled Jesus to refer to His Father as the only true God when He prays

If it is not true what he said, that means he told a lie.

I don't believe Jesus would lie.

[pinkpanther]

Imagine that. The words of Jesus hold no weight.

Saying that the Father is the true God is out of respect...but remember this, He was there with His Father even before the world existed ...

[pinkpanther]

If it is not true what he said, that means he told a lie.

I don't believe Jesus would lie.

He was just humbling instead...on the night when I married my wife, I looked into her eyes and said :" you are truly the most beautiful lady in the world"

So does that really mean she was the prettiest in the world?

[Ali Imran]

Saying that the Father is the true God is out of respect...but remember this, He was there with His Father even before the world existed ...

That doesn't mean he is God or equal to the Father.

[pinkpanther]

!That doesn't mean he is God or equal to the Father.

Before the world came into existence...Jesus was there with His Father before creation takes place..

The verse is very clear...don try to skip around it

[Ali Imran]

Before the world came into existence...Jesus was there with His Father before creation takes place..

The verse is very clear...don try to skip around it

Yes, verse 5 did say that but it doesn't negate verse 3.

You need to say Jesus was lying in verse 3 in order to make him a true God.

[pinkpanther]

Yes, verse 5 did say that but it doesn't negate verse 3.

You need to say Jesus was lying in verse 3 in order to make him a true God.

How can a true God pre exist with Jesus...that would suggest that John 17:3 was spoken out of respect...

[Ali Imran]

How can a true God pre exist with Jesus...that would suggest that John 17:3 was spoken out of respect...

I don't get your argument.

God exists. Period. Not pre-exist or post-exist.

[pinkpanther]

I don't get your argument.

God exists. Period. Not pre-exist or post-exist.

Before time even began, Jesus was already with His Father. That is the meaning of His pre existence with His Father...

[Ali Imran]

Before time even began, Jesus was already with His Father. That is the meaning of His pre existence with His Father...

Ok. But that still doesn't make him a true God. Jesus already said ONLY the Father is the true God.

[pinkpanther]

I don't get your argument.

God exists. Period. Not pre-exist or post-exist.

Anyway..the Father is often referred to as the source or origin of both the Son and the Holy Spirit..so there is nothing wrong for Jesus to call Him the true God 

This does not negate the divinity of Jesus or the Holy Spirit

[pinkpanther]

Ok. But that still doesn't make him a true God. Jesus already said ONLY the Father is the true God.

Yes .Jesus was right. The Father is the source!

[pinkpanther]

Islamic Quote of the day

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 169:

Narrated Abu Huraira: (The Prophet) Solomon son of (the Prophet) David said, "Tonight I will go round (i.e. have sexual relations with) one hundred women every one of whom will deliver a male child who will fight in Allah's Cause." On that an Angel said to him, "Say: 'If Allah will.' "But Solomon did not say it and forgot to say it. Then he had sexual relations with them but none of them delivered any child except one who delivered a half person. The Prophet said, "If Solomon had said: 'If Allah will,' Allah would have fulfilled his (above) desire and that saying would have made him more hopeful."

Does the Imam in your mosque talk about funny Hadith quotes? Lol

[Lukongsimi]

Islamic Quote of the day

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 169:

Narrated Abu Huraira: (The Prophet) Solomon son of (the Prophet) David said, "Tonight I will go round (i.e. have sexual relations with) one hundred women every one of whom will deliver a male child who will fight in Allah's Cause." On that an Angel said to him, "Say: 'If Allah will.' "But Solomon did not say it and forgot to say it. Then he had sexual relations with them but none of them delivered any child except one who delivered a half person. The Prophet said, "If Solomon had said: 'If Allah will,' Allah would have fulfilled his (above) desire and that saying would have made him more hopeful."

Does the Imam in your mosque talk about funny Hadith quotes? Lol

Joke of the day 😊

[Ali Imran]

Anyway..the Father is often referred to as the source or origin of both the Son and the Holy Spirit..so there is nothing wrong for Jesus to call Him the true God 

This does not negate the divinity of Jesus or the Holy Spirit

What negates Jesus as God is when he said the Father is the ONLY true God.

[pinkpanther]

What negates Jesus as God is when he said the Father is the ONLY true God.

It is foolish of you to focus on one verse...read John from the beginning!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1, NIV)

Who is being identified as the "Word"?