[Ali Imran]

The Bible is clear..Stephen prayed to Jesus, not the Father but Jesus alone

But Jesus taught his followers to pray to the Father, not to him. So, if Stephen was praying to Jesus, Stephen erred.

[pinkpanther]

They accused Jesus of claiming to be God.

Jesus rebutted them by saying that he only claimed to be God's son.

When Jesus proclaimed Himself as the Son of God, the Pharisees understood that He was asserting His divinity.

 If Jesus wasn't truly claiming to be God, why would He then seem to retract that statement? Yet, afterward, He reiterated that His Father is in Him and He is in His Father.

Does it makes any sense to you?

[pinkpanther]

But Jesus taught his followers to pray to the Father, not to him. So, if Stephen was praying to Jesus, Stephen erred.

Jesus is divine so there is nothing wrong to pray to Jesus ...infact till this day, many pray to Jesus...it is as good as an acknowledgement to the Holy Trinity..The thief on the cross did not pray at all and Jesus responded" Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."

This suggest that He is the highest authority capable to grant the thief into paradise

[cheekopekman]

The Bible is clear..Stephen prayed to Jesus, not the Father but Jesus alone

Thomas made a declaration, he said to Jesus " My Lord and my God'

How could Stephen see Jesus in heaven if He's not God leh?

[Ali Imran]

When Jesus proclaimed Himself as the Son of God, the Pharisees understood that He was asserting His divinity.

When Jesus claimed the status of a son of God, the Pharisees would not have thought he was claiming to be God, because the accolade "son of God" was very common and given to many other people.

[Ali Imran]

When Jesus proclaimed Himself as the Son of God, the Pharisees understood that He was asserting His divinity.

 If Jesus wasn't truly claiming to be God, why would He then seem to retract that statement? Yet, afterward, He reiterated that His Father is in Him and He is in His Father.

Does it makes any sense to you?

Jesus also included the believers. You cannot say it is different for the believers because Jesus said, "... just as you are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us ...", which means it is the same, not a different "in".

[pinkpanther]

When Jesus claimed the status of a son of God, the Pharisees would not have thought he was claiming to be God, because the accolade "son of God" was very common and given to many other people.

This is where you are wrong! Do you read one verse up?

what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

You think everyone can be the son of God but Jesus made it clear that He is God's Son set apart as His very own and sent into the world..

[pinkpanther]

Jesus also included the believers. You cannot say it is different for the believers because Jesus said, "... just as you are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us ...", which means it is the same, not a different "in".

This goes to show us that the Pharisees were a much smarter lot than you...they knew what Jesus was trying to convey and claims to be..

But you are trying to tell the pharisees that they were wrong to misunderstand the meaning of Jesus's words

[Ali Imran]

Jesus is divine so there is nothing wrong to pray to Jesus ...

You believe Jesus is God, but Jesus never said he is God. Praying to a man is wrong.

And remember, Jesus taught his followers to pray to the Father, not to him.

[Ali Imran]

This is where you are wrong! Do you read one verse up?

what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

You think everyone can be the son of God but Jesus made it clear that He is God's Son set apart as His very own and sent into the world..

No, not everyone can be a son of God. So I agree with you on that. 

Yes, I believe God sent Jesus. So I agree with the NT on that.

The point remains. Jesus rejected their accusation of claiming to be God.

[Ali Imran]

This goes to show us that the Pharisees were a much smarter lot than you...they knew what Jesus was trying to convey and claims to be..

But you are trying to tell the pharisees that they were wrong to misunderstand the meaning of Jesus's words

No, I am not trying to tell the Pharisees anything.

Why do you take the Pharisees as truthful when Jesus called them hypocrites? Why do you agree with them?

[pinkpanther]

You believe Jesus is God, but Jesus never said he is God. Praying to a man is wrong.

And remember, Jesus taught his followers to pray to the Father, not to him.

Jesus doesn't need to say He is God, Muhammad himself doesn't say that he is the last messenger, I don't have to tell people that I am rich or poor..

Praying to any person in the Trinity is an acknowledgement to all the persons of the Trinity...
It is like praying to Allah is an acknowledgement for the works that He had done so there is no need to add Muhammad in that prayer...that is blasphemy

[pinkpanther]

No, I am not trying to tell the Pharisees anything.

Why do you take the Pharisees as truthful when Jesus called them hypocrites? Why do you agree with them?

There knew Jesus was claiming to be God...that is as truthful as it gets...Jesus wasn't trying to say He was just a mere mortal by equating Himself with the Father

[Ali Imran]

Jesus doesn't need to say He is God, 

Listen to what you're saying.

"Jesus doesn't need to say he is God", but he will throw people into hellfire for not believing he is God.

[Ali Imran]

There knew Jesus was claiming to be God...that is as truthful as it gets...Jesus wasn't trying to say He was just a mere mortal by equating Himself with the Father

So you are indeed taking the Pharisees as truthful, even after knowing what Jesus said about them.

Ok. You are free to allow yourself to be guided by blind guides.

[pinkpanther]

So you are indeed taking the Pharisees as truthful, even after knowing what Jesus said about them.

Ok. You are free to allow yourself to be guided by blind guides.

So you are saying that the Pharisees were lying that Jesus claiming to be God? 

The Bible is clear

[pinkpanther]

Listen to what you're saying.

"Jesus doesn't need to say he is God", but he will throw people into hellfire for not believing he is God.

Where Jesus say that He will throw people into hellfire?

[Ali Imran]

Where Jesus say that He will throw people into hellfire?

You believe Jesus is God, right?

[pinkpanther]

You believe Jesus is God, right?

Yes

[Ali Imran]

Yes

So Jesus will throw people into hellfire for not believing he is God.

[pinkpanther]

So Jesus will throw people into hellfire for not believing he is God.

Will Allah throw me into hellfire for not believing in Him? He will make me replacement for you moslems in hell

[Ali Imran]

Will Allah throw me into hellfire for not believing in Him? He will make me replacement for you moslems in hell

Yes, God will throw you into hellfire for not believing in God. God made it clear to the people, "I alone am God" and if they still refused to believe, they would be in hell. 

But you said Jesus doesn't need to tell people he is God, yet he will throw people into hell for not believing he is God.

[pinkpanther]

Yes, God will throw you into hellfire for not believing in God. God made it clear to the people, "I alone am God" and if they still refused to believe, they would be in hell. 

But you said Jesus doesn't need to tell people he is God, yet he will throw people into hell for not believing he is God.

Yes it is true that those who do not believe in Jesus will not inherit eternal life and face God's wrath.

Jesus need not go around telling He is God, His disciples will preach the good news to all nations..
Which boastful God goes around telling people He is God

That is why the Bible is written and given to disbelievers so that they will know the good news

[pinkpanther]

Yes, God will throw you into hellfire for not believing in God. God made it clear to the people, "I alone am God" and if they still refused to believe, they would be in hell. 

Why are you always using the old bait? You only have 2 earthworms to rotate

Why is Stephen praying to Jesus before His death?

[Ali Imran]

Which boastful God goes around telling people He is God 

Did you read Isaiah? 

How many times in Isaiah can we find God telling people He is God?

Are you now gonna say God is boastful for telling people over and over again that He alone is God?

[Ali Imran]

Why is Stephen praying to Jesus before His death?

Because he believed Jesus could save him.

The question you should be asking is: Does he have the correct faith? Didn't Jesus teach his people to pray to the Father for forgiveness of sins? Didn't the Father say He alone is the saviour? So, if the lessons have been given and Stephen ignored them, choosing to believe other people instead of Jesus and the Father, do you believe he will be saved?

Btw, that is purely hypothetical to me.

[pinkpanther]

Did you read Isaiah? 

How many times in Isaiah can we find God telling people He is God?

Are you now gonna say God is boastful for telling people over and over again that He alone is God?

 You think God makes some special arrangement on Tv and broadcast live?

Do you know how silly you sound when you said " Jesus did not go around saying He is God"
We know Jesus is God through this book...Does He need to go telling people?

[Ali Imran]

 You think God makes some special arrangement on Tv and broadcast live?

Do you know how silly you sound when you said " Jesus did not go around saying He is God"
We know Jesus is God through this book...Does He need to go telling people?

If Jesus is God and disbelieving that would mean eternal hell, then yes, he must tell people that he is God.

[pinkpanther]

Because he believed Jesus could save him.

The question you should be asking is: Does he have the correct faith? Didn't Jesus teach his people to pray to the Father for forgiveness of sins? Didn't the Father say He alone is the saviour? So, if the lessons have been given and Stephen ignored them, choosing to believe other people instead of Jesus and the Father, do you believe he will be saved?

Btw, that is purely hypothetical to me.

This is where Stephen also equates Jesus as equal status with the Father and He is right ...the Bible has  many passages to prove so ..

Is Jesus divine? Yes..nothing wrong to pray to Jesus..
The Father said Jesus had the full authority