Scripture readings for Christmas

(4 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  That's not what Christian scholars are saying.

How can you say that the kjv is corrupted when it is just a translator  Big Grin you can say it wasn't interpreted correctly but never a corruption....you can claim that the Greek manuscripts are corrupted
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(3 hours ago)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Who wrote your Koran ? Men you don’t know?
In bible God speaks man write.

Be aware of potential biases: Recognize that scholars, like all humans, may have personal biases that can influence their work.

He always talk scholars but he doesn't give names Laughing
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(3 hours ago)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Who wrote your Koran ? Men you don’t know?


The Quran means recitation. When the Quran was revealed, it was immediately recited and memorized.

From day 1, we know who the memorizers were. We have their names, their background, their families, etc.

Till today, the Quran is still recited and memorized all over the world.
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(3 hours ago)pinkpanther Wrote:  How can you say that the kjv is corrupted when it is just a translator  Big Grin you can say it wasn't interpreted correctly but never a corruption....you can claim that the Greek manuscripts are corrupted

I didn't say. The Christian scholars were the people who said the KJV has many serious grave defects.
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(2 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Quran means recitation. When the Quran was revealed, it was immediately recited and memorized.

From day 1, we know who the memorizers were. We have their names, their background, their families, etc.

Till today, the Quran is still recited and memorized all over the world.
If someone says that the Quran has not been changed, whether they be Muslim or Non-Muslim, they have just proven that they don't know anything about the various Qurans existing today.
The oldest Qurans available today are the the Samarqand codex (currently located in Russia) and the other is an old Qur'an manuscript kept on public display in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul.
Both are incomplete manuscripts. Without a complete copy from Uthman's period, it is impossible to know that the Qurans used today (which aren't even in Qurashi Arabic, the original dialect use in Uthman's version) are the same.

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(2 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  I didn't say. The Christian scholars were the people who said the KJV has many serious grave defects.

With their strict criteria, spelling mistakes might be serious mistakes...you don have anything concrete to define as grave defects....

It might be a grave mistake if it failed to updated with the findings of new manuscripts...
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(2 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Quran means recitation. When the Quran was revealed, it was immediately recited and memorized.

From day 1, we know who the memorizers were. We have their names, their background, their families, etc.

Till today, the Quran is still recited and memorized all over the world.

There are many reports that indicate Mohammad kept forgetting texts, changing them as he went, and even completely losing entire passages of hundreds of verses
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the Bible has been preserved, though not in its original autographs (the very first copies). It has been meticulously copied and translated through the centuries, with a vast number of manuscripts and fragments providing evidence for its accuracy. While some minor variations exist between manuscripts, these are generally understood and accounted for through textual criticism.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
1. Manuscript Evidence:
The New Testament alone has over 5,800 Greek manuscripts, plus thousands more in other ancient languages, like Latin, Syriac, and Coptic.
The Dead Sea Scrolls, discovered in 1947, provided copies of Old Testament books (like Isaiah) that predate the time of Jesus, confirming the accuracy of later copies.
This wealth of manuscript evidence allows scholars to reconstruct the original text with a high degree of accuracy.
2. Textual Criticism:
Textual criticism is the process of comparing different manuscripts to identify and correct errors that may have occurred during copying.
By carefully analyzing variations, scholars can determine the most likely reading of the original text.
3. Translation:
The Bible has been translated into thousands of languages, making it accessible to people around the world.
Translation efforts also involve careful consideration of the original languages and cultural contexts, ensuring accuracy and clarity.
4. Preservation Beyond Manuscripts:
The Bible's preservation is also evident in its influence on literature, art, and culture throughout history.
The widespread acceptance and study of the Bible by various groups, including scholars and believers, further demonstrates its enduring relevance.

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These scholars include figures like Ali al-Tabari, Abu Ali Husain Bin Sina, and Al-Ghazali. Some also recognized the importance of the Bible as a source of divine guidance, though they often emphasized the Quran as the ultimate authority.
Here's a more detailed look:
Early Muslim scholars who acknowledged the Bible:
Some early Muslim scholars, like those mentioned above, engaged with the Bible, even quoting it in their writings. They may have believed the text was partially corrupted, but they still found value in it.

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