Scripture readings for Christmas

(13-08-2025, 07:57 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Yes. You will not be judged again in the hereafter.

Pls, no man can melt out God's law perfectly because they cannot read the heart...some are wrongfully persecuted, some kelong and bribe the judge...

Only God knows what are the rightful punishments to dish out...

So after you serve time for murder...can you tell Allah that you have served time on earth so He needs not punish him again? Since shariah wipe out your sins then there is only heaven for you
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(13-08-2025, 08:23 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Pls, no man can melt out God's law perfectly because they cannot read the heart...some are wrongfully persecuted, some kelong and bribe the judge...

Only God knows what are the rightful punishments to dish out...

So after you serve time for murder...can you tell Allah that you have served time on earth so He needs not punish him again? Since shariah wipe out your sins then there is only heaven for you

God says a fornicator must be caned 100 times, and he was caned; he will not be punished for that sin in the hereafter.
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(13-08-2025, 07:54 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So Deut 13 is just for fun reading, no need to obey the commandment?

The Quran says There is no compulsion in religion ..is this also for fun only? Why persecute those who intends to leave?
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(13-08-2025, 08:30 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  God says a fornicator must be caned 100 times, and he was caned; he will not be punished for that sin in the hereafter.

So there is no need for repentance then ..just be caned 100 times as payment for future wrong doings!
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(13-08-2025, 08:30 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The Quran says There is no compulsion in religion ..is this also for fun only? Why persecute those who intends to leave?

Leaving the faith, or apostasy, is a complex topic.

As for the verse in the Quran which says "There is no compulsion in religion", it means we cannot force people to accept Islam.
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(13-08-2025, 08:31 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So there is no need for repentance then ..just be caned 100 times as payment for future wrong doings!

If you steal, and your hands are cut off as punishment in this world, you will not be punished for that sin in the hereafter.
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(13-08-2025, 08:34 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If you steal, and your hands are cut off as punishment in this world, you will not be punished for that sin in the hereafter.

If you steal and go to jail for 1 week...is your sin in the hereafter still available?
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(13-08-2025, 08:36 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  If you steal and go to jail for 1 week...is your sin in the hereafter still available?

If we don't follow the Shariah, I guess it's a different story. We will know in the hereafter. I am not well-versed in jurisprudence.
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(13-08-2025, 08:34 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If you steal, and your hands are cut off as punishment in this world, you will not be punished for that sin in the hereafter.

Shariah allow marriage with 6yrs old girl? Secular laws does not stand on the side on Paedophile
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(13-08-2025, 08:40 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Shariah allow marriage with 6yrs old girl? Secular laws does not stand on the side on Paedophile

Shariah doesn't allow you to marry anybody against her will, no matter the age. And Shariah doesn't allow you to harm your wife.
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(13-08-2025, 08:39 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If we don't follow the Shariah, I guess it's a different story. We will know in the hereafter. I am not well-versed in jurisprudence.

You cannot be deal by God's law because only God knows the right punishment...because He knows the truth ..

You can only be deal by the secular laws!
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(13-08-2025, 08:42 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Shariah doesn't allow you to marry anybody against her will, no matter the age. And Shariah doesn't allow you to harm your wife.

So a 6 yrs old girl can give her consent to her own marriage? If you follow Muhammad's way...that is a Yes!
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(13-08-2025, 08:42 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You cannot be deal by God's law because only God knows the right punishment

The punishment is given by God.

If a child curses their parents, the punishment is death. Who stipulates that punishment? God.
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(13-08-2025, 08:44 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So a 6 yrs old girl can give her consent to her own marriage? If you follow Muhammad's way...that is a Yes!

If she is mature enough to give consent, yes can.
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(13-08-2025, 08:45 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If she is mature enough to give consent, yes can.

Is 6yrs old consider mature for your understanding?
The legal age for marriage according to secular law is around 18...

Do you know the implications when an underage girl declares herself as mature enough to consent!
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(13-08-2025, 08:44 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The punishment is given by God.

If a child curses their parents, the punishment is death. Who stipulates that punishment? God.

So if your children curse at you...does the shariah court hand out the death sentence to your kids?
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(13-08-2025, 08:52 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So if your children curse at you...does the shariah court hand out the death sentence to your kids?

No, we don't have the law in the Shariah.
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(13-08-2025, 08:51 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Is 6yrs old consider mature for your understanding?
The legal age for marriage according to secular law is around 18...

Do you know the implications when an underage girl declares herself as mature enough to consent!

In today's world, I would say a 6-year-old is not mature.

The legal age for marriage varies across geography and era.
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(13-08-2025, 08:58 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  No, we don't have the law in the Shariah.

Why you don have it in shariah? This is death penalty for kids who curse at their parents...are you not following Allah's law
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(13-08-2025, 09:07 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  In today's world, I would say a 6-year-old is not mature.

The legal age for marriage varies across geography and era.

If you adhere to Muhammad's teachings, which are considered God's guidance, then a 6-year-old could be married, but the marriage would not be consummated until she reaches at least nine, according to Aisha's account.

So I can marry four wives all from the age of 6-10 and that is still in line with the shariah law?
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(13-08-2025, 09:18 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Why you don have it in shariah? This is death penalty for kids who curse at their parents...are you not following Allah's law

That law is found only in the Bible.

There are many other rules found in the Bible that are not applicable to us, especially dietary rules. We can eat lobsters, which is prohibited in the Bible.
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(13-08-2025, 09:23 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  If you adhere to Muhammad's teachings, which are considered God's guidance, then a 6-year-old could be married, but the marriage would not be consummated until she reaches at least nine, according to Aisha's account.

So I can marry four wives all from the age of 6-10 and that is still in line with the shariah law?

If you want, the parents and the girl are agreeable, go ahead.
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I feel like a long drive today. Maybe go see another mountain.
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(13-08-2025, 09:23 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  That law is found only in the Bible.

There are many other rules found in the Bible that are not applicable to us, especially dietary rules. We can eat lobsters, which is prohibited in the Bible.
What kind of laws are found in the NT taught by Jesus since u brag u know?

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(13-08-2025, 09:07 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  In today's world, I would say a 6-year-old is not mature.

The legal age for marriage varies across geography and era.

U mean ancient world girls can get married even a toddler ?

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(13-08-2025, 09:33 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I feel like a long drive today. Maybe go see another mountain.

Take pic n show us lah what mountain u saw  or anything u saw 
No pic no sound talk only lol

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(13-08-2025, 08:45 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If she is mature enough to give consent, yes can.

How can a 6 years understand what is marriage ?
If u give her a lollipop she will agrees without thinking

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(13-08-2025, 07:53 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You believe Jesus already paid for all your sins, correct? So after death, why do you need to be judged anymore?
The Bible, particularly the New Testament, emphasizes that all will appear before God's judgment seat to give an account of their lives. This includes both believers, who will be judged at the judgment seat of Christ for rewards based on their works (2 Corinthians 5:10), and non-believers, who will face the great white throne judgment(Revelation 20:11-15)

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(13-08-2025, 09:27 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If you want, the parents and the girl are agreeable, go ahead.

This is why the secular law protect the female from early marriage ...many married without the financial means to raise their own kids...imagine being a mother at the age of 16 with no money...

Will you allow an Imam 60 yrs old to take your daughter who is 6? He is rich and have the means to take care of her!
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Today will be peaceful day the pachik is busy searching for a mountain
Don’t know why he is so interested in mountains since he can only see outside not the inside
In Hong Kong I saw mountains but not so interested
I now live facing a hill n a park
Love the place quiet n serene

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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