[Lukongsimi]

No, it is not mandatory to kiss the black stone. I have never done that.

The idea of Eucharist, is it weird?

Not weird 
The last super is to remind Christians that Christ will rise them up on the last day 
U don’t believe u have to stay back and worship anti christ the beast n face tribulations

[Lukongsimi]

Allah should say: 'Treat Jews and Christians as your brothers, for they worship Me in their own way. If you accept them as friends, you will be close to Me. However, if you compel them to convert to Islam, impose jizya upon them, or harm them, you will be condemned in the pit

Yes should alter hate to love lol

[Lukongsimi]

You can say that. But the core teachings are the same, like worshiping God alone and being obedient to His commandments.

Islam does not have a single list called "The Ten Commandments" in the same way Judaism and Christianity do.

[Ali Imran]

Not weird 
The last super is to remind Christians that Christ will rise them up on the last day 
U don’t believe u have to stay back and worship anti christ the beast n face tribulations

But eating the flesh of a man and drinking his blood. Is that weird? Yes, many will find it weird.

[Ali Imran]

The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted

We have manuscripts to prove that the Quran is preserved, well-preserved.

[Ali Imran]

Allah should say: 'Treat Jews and Christians as your brothers, for they worship Me in their own way. If you accept them as friends, you will be close to Me. However, if you compel them to convert to Islam, impose jizya upon them, or harm them, you will be condemned in the dark pit.'"

Before you want to go pretending you know better, please tell me if it is wrong for me to say that you believe your God is made up of 3 distinct, fully 100% Gods.

[pinkpanther]

Before you want to go pretending you know better, please tell me if it is wrong for me to say that you believe your God is made up of 3 distinct, fully 100% Gods.

Yes God is one..we are monotheists...
We also think that your God has a partner and it is in your Shahada..

[pinkpanther]

Before you want to go pretending you know better, please tell me if it is wrong for me to say that you believe your God is made up of 3 distinct, fully 100% Gods.

Yesterday I went to TikTok and debated on the topic of faith and actions...most of them were Africans

[Ali Imran]

Yes God is one..we are monotheists...
We also think that your God has a partner and it is in your Shahada..

Allah is one (Quran 112:1). Allah has no partners.

Any questions on that?

[pinkpanther]

Allah is one (Quran 112:1). Allah has no partners.

There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.. 

That is your declaration to God and Muhammad

[Ali Imran]

There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.. 

That is your declaration to God and Muhammad

Yes, Allah is one and only, and Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم is a messenger, a servant of Allah. If we don't remind ourselves of the second part of the Shahadah, we might become like the Christians and elevate Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم to the level of God. So, imo, its a good thing that we keep reminding ourselves that Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم is a servant of Allah.

[pinkpanther]

Yes, Allah is one and only, and Muhammad is a messenger, a servant of Allah. If we don't remind ourselves of the second part of the Shahadah, we might become like the Christians and elevate Muhammad to the level of God. So, imo, its a good thing that we keep reminding ourselves that Muhammad is a servant of Allah.

Muhammad is the same level as God when He is mentioned in your Shahada and daily prayers...which man deserve the same level of attention besides God? Yes Muhammad!

 You do not need to constantly remind yourself that he is the messenger just like we do not need to remind ourselves of a past prophet called Moses!

[Ali Imran]

Muhammad is the same level as God when He is mentioned in your Shahada and daily prayers...which man deserve the same level of attention besides God? Yes Muhammad!

 You do not need to constantly remind yourself that he is the messenger just like we do not need to remind ourselves of a past prophet called Moses!

LOL

How is a servant the same level as the Master? In what universe is the servant the same level as the Master?

[pinkpanther]

Yesterday on TikTok, I chit chat with a local Chinese man in his 60s who said he's a shaman with healing abilities. He claimed that many people see him as a messiah and believe angels are protecting him.

 I asked him which God grants him his powers, and he said Yahweh. However, when I referenced the Bible and Quran to question him further, he was completely clueless....another sell koyok scammer! 

[pinkpanther]

LOL

How is a servant the same level as the Master? In what universe is the servant the same level as the Master?

There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah

Don you see the problem in this Shahada.. Allah and Muhammad being mentioned in the same sentence..

There is no god but Allah.
 Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

Maybe this kind of sentence structuring is better!

[Ali Imran]

There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah

Don you see the problem in this Shahada.. Allah and Muhammad being mentioned in the same sentence..

There is no god but Allah.
 Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

Maybe this kind of sentence structuring is better!

Ok noted.

So do you agree that the servant is not on the same level as the Master?

[pinkpanther]

Ok noted.

So do you agree that the servant is not on the same level as the Master?

Yes I agree that a man is not even worth a mention.

[Ali Imran]

Yes I agree that a man is not even worth a mention.

The NT mentioned a lot of men, doesn't it?

[pinkpanther]

The NT mentioned a lot of men, doesn't it?

We are talking about declaration to God isn't it

[Ali Imran]

We are talking about declaration to God isn't it

Declaring to God that we don't put His servant as equal to Him.

What's wrong with that?

[pinkpanther]

Declaring to God that we don't put His servant as equal to Him.

What's wrong with that?

But you already put the servant with the master in the very same sentence

[Ali Imran]

But you already put the servant with the master in the very same sentence

It is known as Shahadahtain, meaning two Shahadahs. One is declaring that there is no god but Allah, and the other is declaring that Muhammad is a servant of Allah.

So, two sentences, if you want to be pedantic about it.

[Lukongsimi]

But eating the flesh of a man and drinking his blood. Is that weird? Yes, many will find it weird.

Go bite your father’s pee is not weird ?

[Ali Imran]

Go bite your father’s pee is not weird ?

Do we do that? The answer is no.

Do Christians perform the Eucharist? The answer is yes.

[Lukongsimi]

Do we do that? The answer is no.

Do Christians perform the Eucharist? The answer is yes.

[color=oklch(0.2 0 0)]Detailed discussion about the hadith “Tell him to bite his father’s male member” and refutation of those who say that this is gratuitously obscene speech[/color]

[color=oklch(0.2 0 0)]Question: 121823
An atheist asked me: How could the Messenger (peace be upon him) speak obscene words, when he is a Prophet, such as “Tell him to bite his father’s male member”, and approve of Abu Bakr saying, “Suck the clitoris of al-Laat”, even though the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) forbade obscene speech? [/color]

[pinkpanther]

It is known as Shahadahtain, meaning two Shahadahs. One is declaring that there is no god but Allah, and the other is declaring that Muhammad is a servant of Allah.

So, two sentences, if you want to be pedantic about it.

Is Muhammad Allah's creation? If Yes then why are you declaring to His works?

[Lukongsimi]

We have manuscripts to prove that the Quran is preserved, well-preserved.

The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted


The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?

[Ali Imran]

The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted


The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?

You said the Quran is corrupted, but you have no proof.

I say the Quran is preserved, and I have proof.

[Lukongsimi]

Allah is one (Quran 112:1). Allah has no partners.

Any questions on that?

The true God has Son and Holy Spirit

[Ali Imran]

Is Muhammad Allah's creation? If Yes then why are you declaring to His works?

Yes, we believe Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم is Allah's creation, a servant of Allah. We declare our faith.