[pinkpanther]

Cyrus was a Messiah accepted by the Jews. He was anointed in the temple.

So, the meaning of the messiah, according to the Israelites, is not the saviour as you said earlier.

He was anointed in the temple? Which temple?
According to the Jews, Cyrus was not the chosen one...the messiah according to the NT is the savior.

So what is the definition of the messiah in the Quran? Care to explain)

[pinkpanther]

Ok. So that means there is nothing in their scriptures that says the final Messiah, whom we both believe is Jesus, will be God incarnate, a saviour for salvation.

Their scriptures were way earlier than Jesus..Jesus declared it Himself that the scriptures of Isaiah were fulfilled...

Mark 12:35-37, Jesus challenges the scribes about the nature of the Messiah, asking why they claim the Messiah is the "son of David" when David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit in Psalm 110, calls the Messiah "Lord". This highlights the Messiah's greater nature, suggesting a divine rather than merely human sonship, a point the large crowd understood and appreciated.

[Ali Imran]

So what is the definition of the messiah in the Quran? Care to explain)

Already told you. The definition is the anointed one.

[Ali Imran]

Their scriptures were way earlier than Jesus..Jesus declared it Himself that the scriptures of Isaiah were fulfilled...

Mark 12:35-37, Jesus challenges the scribes about the nature of the Messiah, asking why they claim the Messiah is the "son of David" when David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit in Psalm 110, calls the Messiah "Lord". This highlights the Messiah's greater nature, suggesting a divine rather than merely human sonship, a point the large crowd understood and appreciated.

So we both can agree that nowhere in the Jewish scriptures that say the final messiah will be God incarnate, a saviour for mankind.

[Ali Imran]

He was anointed in the temple? Which temple?

My apologies. I stand corrected.

Cyrus was anointed by God, according to the Bible.

[pinkpanther]

My apologies. I stand corrected.

Cyrus was anointed by God, according to the Bible.

To err is human.

Yes...he is used to free the Jews and build the temple despite him being a pagan. Do the Jews and christians believe him to be the true messiah??? Of cos not

[cheekopekman]

Who told you that a Messiah is a saviour?

Messiah is Hebrew for Saviour just as Christ in Greek lah!  By the way, Christ is the Anointed One lah!

[pinkpanther]

So we both can agree that nowhere in the Jewish scriptures that say the final messiah will be God incarnate, a saviour for mankind.

Isaiah 9:6 is interpreted by christians as describing a divine messiah

[cheekopekman]

So we both can agree that nowhere in the Jewish scriptures that say the final messiah will be God incarnate, a saviour for mankind.

Actually the word 'messiah' means 'saviour' so you're not wrong lah!  But to us Christians only Jesus Christ is the Messiah lah! The Jews were expecting the Messiah but was disappointed with Jesus lah! So until now they're still waiting for the promised Messiah lah!

[pinkpanther]

Already told you. The definition is the anointed one.

Where did the Quran says that? Show me!

[Ali Imran]

Isaiah 9:6 is interpreted by christians as describing a divine messiah

No, I don't see that in Isaiah 9:6. Neither the Jews. They don't see that too. And they were the people chosen by God.

[Ali Imran]

Where did the Quran says that? Show me!

Quran 3:45 says Jesus is the Messiah.

[pinkpanther]

No, I don't see that in Isaiah 9:6. Neither the Jews. They don't see that too. And they were the people chosen by God.

Isaiah 9:6 "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and give birth to a son, and shall call his name Immanuel

[Ali Imran]

To err is human.

Yes...he is used to free the Jews and build the temple despite him being a pagan. Do the Jews and christians believe him to be the true messiah??? Of cos not

Anyone who was anointed in the temple is a messiah.

The final and greatest Messiah is the son of Mary, pbuh.

[pinkpanther]

Quran 3:45 says Jesus is the Messiah.

Yes . ..where did the Quran give the definition of the messiah? You said the messiah is the anointed one! Where in the quran

[Ali Imran]

Isaiah 9:6 "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and give birth to a son, and shall call his name Immanuel

Did the chosen people of God, who were taught by the many prophets God sent to them, did they believe that person is the Yahweh?

[cheekopekman]

Isaiah 9:6 "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and give birth to a son, and shall call his name Immanuel

Your Bible knowledge is good lah, bro!

[Ali Imran]

Yes . ..where did the Quran give the definition of the messiah? You said the messiah is the anointed one! Where in the quran

That's what al-masih means, the anointed one, coming from the word masaha, to anoint.

[pinkpanther]

Anyone who was anointed in the temple is a messiah.

The final and greatest Messiah is the son of Mary, pbuh.

So is Jesus the messiah greater than a prophet?

[Ali Imran]

So is Jesus the messiah greater than a prophet?

A Messiah means a king. The station of a prophet is far greater than a king.

[pinkpanther]

A Messiah means a king. The station of a prophet is far greater than a king.

Yes..it means king but a messiah is seen as a divinely appointed king, redeemer, and savior, often embodying a higher status and purpose than a prophet who delivers only God's word.

The Messiah is usually seen as fulfilling a profound, world-changing destiny...so you should be acknowledging the king instead of the jester...there is only one king while you can find many jesters

[pinkpanther]

That's what al-masih means, the anointed one, coming from the word masaha, to anoint.

Ok..so the Quran doesn't define messiah...only al masih

[Ali Imran]

Ok..so the Quran doesn't define messiah...only al masih

You mean does the Quran say the messiah is God or saviour? Of course not.

In the Quranic verse where Jesus is mentioned as the messiah, the context is the Israelites, and in their context, a messiah is a man, not divine.

[Ali Imran]

Yes..it means king but a messiah is seen as a divinely appointed king, redeemer, and savior, often embodying a higher status and purpose than a prophet who delivers only God's word.

The Messiah is usually seen as fulfilling a profound, world-changing destiny...so you should be acknowledging the king instead of the jester...there is only one king while you can find many jesters

You're imposing your theology in that definition. According to the Jews, a messiah is a king and a prophet holds a higher station.

[Hope]

Islamic dilemma 


Daniel VS GoldLogic

https://www.youtube.com/live/BWBN-QpQ2xU...YCh4a4FQNO

[Lukongsimi]

So we both can agree that nowhere in the Jewish scriptures that say the final messiah will be God incarnate, a saviour for mankind.

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Yes, the Bible identifies Jesus as "Mighty God", a title found in the prophecy of Isaiah 9:6which foretells the coming of a child with divine names and attributes. This title, also rendered as El Gibbor in Hebrew, signifies that Jesus possesses immense power and strength, not just as a human hero but as God himself. The New Testament affirms Jesus's divinity and power by detailing his miracles, his role as the creator of the universe, and his ultimate authority over all things.  

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[pinkpanther]

You're imposing your theology in that definition. According to the Jews, a messiah is a king and a prophet holds a higher station.

A prophet holds a higher station?

According to Jewish belief, the Messiah will be a descendant of King David who will be an anointed human leader, a king, a prophet, and a priest, but not divine. While the Messiah will be a prophet and king, the role of the Messiah is considered a higher station or unique role compared to a typical prophet

[Lukongsimi]

You mean does the Quran say the messiah is God or saviour? Of course not.

In the Quranic verse where Jesus is mentioned as the messiah, the context is the Israelites, and in their context, a messiah is a man, not divine.

Shows that u never read the Bible 
Quran is Quran don’t mix 

• Luke 2:11: 
  An angel announces the birth of Jesus, saying, "For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord". 
  
  
• John 3:16: 
  "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life". This verse emphasizes the concept of salvation through Jesus. 
  
  
• John 4:42: 
  The Samaritans tell the woman who met Jesus, "We know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world". 
  
  
• 1 John 4:14: 
  "And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world". 
  
  

[Lukongsimi]

A Messiah means a king. The station of a prophet is far greater than a king.

U mean your prophet muh was greater than Jesus ?
John 10:30). Jesus doesn’t just lead us to the Promised Land; He takes us up to heaven for eternity

Can your prophet muh takes u up
to heaven for eternity?
Yes or no?

[Ali Imran]

A prophet holds a higher station?

According to Jewish belief, the Messiah will be a descendant of King David who will be an anointed human leader, a king, a prophet, and a priest, but not divine. While the Messiah will be a prophet and king, the role of the Messiah is considered a higher station or unique role compared to a typical prophet

Cyrus was a messiah. Is his station as the messiah higher than a prophet of God?