[pinkpanther]

That is to emphasise that Muhammad is only a human ,Messenger and Prophet of Allah.
Otherwise his followers would have made him a deity like the followers of Prophet Jesus.

Emphasize on God alone...no need to Emphasize on Muhammad..we all know he is a human...why you put God and human in your prayers? Jesus is God so there is a need to mention His name in our prayers.

[Hope]

Emphasize on God alone...no need to Emphasize on Muhammad..we all know he is a human...why you put God and human in your prayers? Jesus is God so there is a need to mention His name in our prayers.

You are teaching Muslim to emphasise on God alone.
However you have discarded the Yahweh and adopted a human as a god who ate, slept sneeze, bathed , yawn , cried for help.

As per your teachings, He lived a life of a human for 33 years.

[pinkpanther]

You are teaching Muslim to emphasise on God alone.
However you have discarded the Yahweh and adopted a human as a god who ate, slept sneeze, bathed , yawn , cried for help.

As per your teachings, He lived a life of a human  for 33 years.

Yes, emphasize on God alone and no one else...I'm glad you see my point..your companion cannot get it into his head...

Philippians 2:5-11, which is best read as indicating that Christ voluntarily laid aside the divine privilege that was rightfully His in order to take upon Himself the form of a servant.

[pinkpanther]

What happens after death?

https://www.gotquestions.org/what-happen...death.html

[cheekopekman]

What happens after death?

https://www.gotquestions.org/what-happen...death.html

After death comes judgement lah!  Hebrews 9:27 says so lah!

[cheekopekman]

Emphasize on God alone...no need to Emphasize on Muhammad..we all know he is a human...why you put God and human in your prayers? Jesus is God so there is a need to mention His name in our prayers.

You are teaching Muslim to emphasise on God alone.
However you have discarded the Yahweh and adopted a human as a god who ate, slept sneeze, bathed , yawn , cried for help.

As per your teachings, He lived a life of a human  for 33 years.

Muslims and Christians are like brothers quarrelling and fighting at home lah!  Because Isaac was the promised son but Ishmael was rejected but both were Abraham's sons lah!

[Ali Imran]

Muslims and Christians are like brothers quarrelling and fighting at home lah!  Because Isaac was the promised son but Ishmael was rejected but both were Abraham's sons lah!

No bro. This is not sibling rivalry.

If you're right, I'm going to hell. If I'm right, you're going to hell. We both cannot be right.

You should know that the Bible you're reading is not reliable. It has been altered and corrupted by people. The story of Ishmael or Isaac in the Bible doesn't add up, proving that the scriptures have been corrupted.

When the Pharisees accused Jesus of claiming to be God, what did Jesus say? He denied their accusation. Yet, you still believe he is God. How come?

[Hope]

Muslims and Christians are like brothers quarrelling and fighting at home lah!  Because Isaac was the promised son but Ishmael was rejected but both were Abraham's sons lah!

Yes,We are brothers. However Muslim don’t differentiate between Ishmael and Issac.It is the problem of the Jews which Christian also supporting blindly.
Are you following the religion of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob? No. Because They were not Jewish or Christian.Then how come you are attached to Isaac ?

O People of the Scripture, why do you argue about Abraham while the Torahand the Gospel were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reason?”Quran 3:65

“Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. And he was not of the polytheists.”Quran 3:67

“Or were you witnesses when death approached Jacob, when he said to his sons, “What will you worship after me?” They said, “We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac – one God. And we are Muslims [in submission] to Him”.Quran 2:133

“Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, “Are you more knowing or is Allah ?” And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah ? And Allah is not unaware of what you do.”Quran 2:140

Say, “We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him.”Quran 3:84

[Hope]

After death comes judgement lah!  Hebrews 9:27 says so lah!

Both of you didn’t read the article.

He Just copied and pasted.You commented blindly.

[pinkpanther]

Both of you didn’t read the article.

He Just copied and pasted.You commented blindly.

There is a holding area similar to the Moslem Barzakh mentioned in the article..

[pinkpanther]

The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted

The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.

If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.

So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.

And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?

[Lukongsimi]

Isaac chosen to be the heir
Not Ishmael
What does that tells you when Jesus came from David ‘s generation from Isaac?
Why he did not come from Ishmael generation?
Think!

[Hope]

The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted

The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.

If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.

So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.

And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?

What are the seven dialects?

Which dialect prophet Muhammad spoke?

Who spoke other six dialects?

[Ali Imran]

Isaac chosen to be the heir
Not Ishmael
What does that tells you when Jesus came from David ‘s generation from Isaac?
Why he did not come from Ishmael generation?
Think!

Both are prophets of God, Isaac and Ishmael, peace be upon them.

The Bible has a verse that says Ishmael's progeny will be a great nation.

[Lukongsimi]

Ishmael was promised a great nation but not the chosen heir
Why?

[Ali Imran]

Ishmael was promised a great nation but not the chosen heir
Why?

Tell me why that matters.

[Ali Imran]

Why the generations of Ishmael not written in the Bible?

I thought you already agree that the progeny of Ishmael will be a great nation?

[pinkpanther]

What are the seven dialects?

Which dialect prophet Muhammad spoke?

Who spoke other six dialects?

The seven ahruf refer to the seven dialects (lughaat) of the Arabs prevalent at the time of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم). Each of these dialects belongs to a tribe among the Arabs, namely, the Quraysh, Hudhayl, Tameem, Hawaazin, Thaqeef, Kinaanah and Yemen (other scholars gave the names of other tribes).

[Lukongsimi]

You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard of your misery” (Genesis 16:11). “He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers” (Genesis 16:12).

[pinkpanther]

The Quran is inadequate and that is why moslems need to refer to the Bible ...I thought the Quran has the answer to everything?

[Ali Imran]

You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard of your misery” (Genesis 16:11). “He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers” (Genesis 16:12).

Is that a true?

According to one Jewish historian, the Muslims saved the Jews from being exterminated by the Christians.

[Lukongsimi]

The greatest gift God gives us is salvation through Christ Jesus

[Ali Imran]

The greatest gift God gives us is salvation through Christ Jesus

I love Jesus. I would not want him to suffer or be killed or be humiliated.

Do you feel the same way about Jesus?

[pinkpanther]

Would you prefer that the innocent substitute who Allah made to look like Jesus endure the suffering instead?

[cheekopekman]

No bro. This is not sibling rivalry.

If you're right, I'm going to hell. If I'm right, you're going to hell. We both cannot be right.

You should know that the Bible you're reading is not reliable. It has been altered and corrupted by people. The story of Ishmael or Isaac in the Bible doesn't add up, proving that the scriptures have been corrupted.

When the Pharisees accused Jesus of claiming to be God, what did Jesus say? He denied their accusation. Yet, you still believe he is God. How come?

Yes,We are brothers. However Muslim don’t differentiate between Ishmael and Issac.It is the problem of the Jews which Christian also supporting blindly.
Are you following the religion of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob? No. Because They were not Jewish or Christian.Then how come you are attached to Isaac ?

O People of the Scripture, why do you argue about Abraham while the Torahand the Gospel were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reason?”Quran 3:65

“Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. And he was not of the polytheists.”Quran 3:67

“Or were you witnesses when death approached Jacob, when he said to his sons, “What will you worship after me?” They said, “We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac – one God. And we are Muslims [in submission] to Him”.Quran 2:133

“Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, “Are you more knowing or is Allah ?” And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah ? And Allah is not unaware of what you do.”Quran 2:140

Say, “We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him.”Quran 3:84

Sorry if I offended you both lah!  My apologies lah!

[pinkpanther]

Do you believe it's just for you to be imprisoned for a crime you didn't commit? 

Should you hold God responsible for making you resemble the actual perpetrator of the offense?

[pinkpanther]

Sorry if I offended you both lah!  My apologies lah!

Offend what...you got a mix reactions from both of them, they are confused...Good work lah  1 stone kill 2 birds..

[Hope]

Offend what...you got a mix reactions from both of them, they are confused...Good work lah  1 stone kill 2 birds..

You don’t confuse him.He understands our comments.
We are not confused.Muslim believe Issac, Jacob, Abraham were Muslim.

Do you have any proof to show they were Christian?


Muslim means believing in one God
Christian means believing in Trinity.

[Hope]

Would you prefer that the innocent substitute who Allah made to look like Jesus endure the suffering instead?

Allah never substituted anyone to die behalf of Jesus.The crucifixion is your ( Roman). Inventions.

[Ali Imran]

Sorry if I offended you both lah!  My apologies lah!

Not at all offended bro. Not by you or by Christianity.