[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/yy7ZXaHRftg?s...dmMHelRk4C

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9hNCjnZiNn4?s...WczsKtpGxg

[pinkpanther]

That bomoh is like a clown. I don't wanna comment further.

Anyhow, let's stick to what is important, like who is God. Is the correct understanding of God based on unitarianism, binitarianism, or trinitarianism? If we get that wrong, the rest don't matter.

It has been addressed by the council surrounding the nature of Christ and to achieve doctrinal unity within the Christian community...the disputes have been resolved...believers and historians interpret the council's outcomes as guided by divine providence or influenced by God's will

[pinkpanther]

https://youtube.com/shorts/yy7ZXaHRftg?s...dmMHelRk4C

Sam is power lah

[Ali Imran]

It has been addressed by the council surrounding the nature of Christ and to achieve doctrinal unity within the Christian community...the disputes have been resolved...believers and historians interpret the council's outcomes as guided by divine providence or influenced by God's will

So who it was who decided that the correct understanding of God is based on trinitarianism? Definitely not Jesus. Definitely not the disciples too coz they weren't around anymore 300 years later.

And were the disciples of Jesus wrong for believing God is one as taught by Jesus?

[Lukongsimi]

Some bomoh don't practice black magic.

Some bomoh are medicine men.

So, when you say bomoh, you need to know what kind of bomoh. The Malays use that word for all sorts of practice.

A "bomoh" is a Malay term for a shaman and traditional medicine practitioner, often mistranslated as "medicine man" or "witch doctor".They are healers, herbalists, geomancers, and sorcerers, who also act as intermediaries between the human world and spirits or gods. 

[pinkpanther]

So who it was who decided that the correct understanding of God is based on trinitarianism? Definitely not Jesus. Definitely not the disciples too coz they weren't around anymore 300 years later.

And were the disciples of Jesus wrong for believing God is one as taught by Jesus?

Who decides? The 200 bishops!
The disciples believe Jesus is divine ..The disciples attributed titles of deity to Jesus...Stephen prayed to Him ..Thomas calls Him" My lord, my God"
Peter's declaration of Jesus as the "Christ, the Son of the living God...so many more

[pinkpanther]

A "bomoh" is a Malay term for a shaman and traditional medicine practitioner, often mistranslated as "medicine man" or "witch doctor".They are healers, herbalists, geomancers, and sorcerers, who also act as intermediaries between the human world and spirits or gods. 

He doesnt want to discuss bomoh because he knows how it will end

[Ali Imran]

Who decides? The 200 bishops!
The disciples believe Jesus is divine ..The disciples attributed titles of deity to Jesus...Stephen prayed to Him ..Thomas calls Him" My lord, my God"
Peter's declaration of Jesus as the "Christ, the Son of the living God...so many more

Peter told his congregation that Jesus was a man and that statement is recorded in the Bible. So, at Peter's time, Jesus wasn't God yet.

Then it went on to binitarianism and then eventually, trinitarianism.

If the Trinity is true, how come it wasn't immediately known to people like Peter?

[Ali Imran]

He doesnt want to discuss bomoh because he knows how it will end

I am not interested in bomoh, or exorcism, performed by your priests. It is not critical to our salvation.

[pinkpanther]

Peter told his congregation that Jesus was a man and that statement is recorded in the Bible. So, at Peter's time, Jesus wasn't God yet.

Then it went on to binitarianism and then eventually, trinitarianism.

If the Trinity is true, how come it wasn't immediately known to people like Peter?

Jesus is a man isnt it..Jesus's twelve disciples did not believe he was God initially but rather a prophet or the Messiah, the Son of God. Their understanding of Jesus evolved through his miracles, teachings, and actions, and ultimately solidified after his resurrection.....just like you may think that I am uncouth or rude from the beginning but over a period of time..you will know that I am a polite gentleman

[pinkpanther]

I am not interested in bomoh, or exorcism, performed by your priests. It is not critical to our salvation.

Why?This is a religious discussion...and religious practises fall into this broad scope..

[pinkpanther]

I am not interested in bomoh, or exorcism, performed by your priests. It is not critical to our salvation.

Let me remind you..The Islamic hell is temporary..why do you worried about your salvation 

[Ali Imran]

Let me remind you..The Islamic hell is temporary..why do you worried about your salvation 

I am amazed that you would joke about hell. That shows what kind of faith you have.

[Ali Imran]

Jesus is a man isnt it..Jesus's twelve disciples did not believe he was God initially but rather a prophet or the Messiah, the Son of God. Their understanding of Jesus evolved through his miracles, teachings, and actions, and ultimately solidified after his resurrection.....just like you may think that I am uncouth or rude from the beginning but over a period of time..you will know that I am a polite gentleman

So, that means Jesus didn't tell the disciples that he is God, if he is God.

[Ali Imran]

Why?This is a religious discussion...and religious practises fall into this broad scope..

Bomoh is not my religion. I don't believe bomoh. So it's pointless to discuss something I don't believe and I don't know.

[pinkpanther]

I am amazed that you would joke about hell. That shows what kind of faith you have.

Why would I joke? Even if you enter hell..Allah will replace you with a Christian or a jew from hell fire..
I'm only reaffirming your salvation 

[Ali Imran]

Why would I joke? Even if you enter hell..Allah will replace you with a Christian or a jew from hell fire..
I'm only reaffirming your salvation 

Mock as much as you like.

[pinkpanther]

Bomoh is not my religion. I don't believe bomoh. So it's pointless to discuss something I don't believe and I don't know.

Why do you not believe? There are plenty of moslem bomohs in Indonesia..and exorcism within the moslem community is real isnt it

[pinkpanther]

So, that means Jesus didn't tell the disciples that he is God, if he is God.

Jesus made some claims that He Himself is God but surely no one would take his words seriously initially

[Lukongsimi]

I am not interested in bomoh, or exorcism, performed by your priests. It is not critical to our salvation.

What u mean it is not critical ?
Witchcraft can land u into hell !

[Ali Imran]

Who decides? The 200 bishops!
The disciples believe Jesus is divine ..The disciples attributed titles of deity to Jesus...Stephen prayed to Him ..Thomas calls Him" My lord, my God"
Peter's declaration of Jesus as the "Christ, the Son of the living God...so many more

How many bishops didn't agree with the Trinity idea? Why did they disagree?

And what happened to them?

[Ali Imran]

Jesus made some claims that He Himself is God but surely no one would take his words seriously initially

So Jesus failed in making his disciples believe he is God?

[pinkpanther]

Mock as much as you like.

But I do like the concept of a temporary hell ..it shows that God is merciful..like a prison sentence..once you did your time, you are free to go

[pinkpanther]

So Jesus failed in making his disciples believe he is God?

They knew and understand over time lah...

[Lukongsimi]

So, that means Jesus didn't tell the disciples that he is God, if he is God.

Because His disciples already knew Jesus is God 
If u knew who is your boss, will your boss reminds u he or she is your boss ?

[pinkpanther]

Because His disciples already knew Jesus is God 
If u knew who is your boss, will your boss reminds u he or she is your boss ?

[Ali Imran]

They knew and understand over time lah...

So Jesus didn't clearly tell them that he is God. And then, many people also took from Peter that Jesus was a man so they will not get salvation because Jesus failed to convince his disciples that he is God. On top of that, Peter went all over preaching Jesus was a man to untold many. 

Is that your faith? Perhaps you should just say you don't know coz the more you try to answer my questions, the more you're making a fool out of yourself.

[Ali Imran]

Because His disciples already knew Jesus is God 
If u knew who is your boss, will your boss reminds u he or she is your boss ?

Pink already said the disciples didn't know at first or even after Jesus has ascended because Peter told the congregation at the Pentecost that Jesus was a man.

So you disagree with Pink? Do you think Pink was wrong?

[pinkpanther]

So Jesus didn't clearly tell them that he is God. And then, many people also took from Peter that Jesus was a man so they will not get salvation because Jesus failed to convince his disciples that he is God. On top of that, Peter went all over preaching Jesus was a man to untold many. 

Is that your faith? Perhaps you should just say you don't know coz the more you try to answer my questions, the more you're making a fool out of yourself.

Peter and other disciples acknowledged Jesus as a human being, capable of experiencing emotions, hunger, and fatigue, alongside his divine nature. 

When peter speaks to the congregation..he would have known Jesus's divinity...you are assuming that the disciples only know Jesus divinity towards the end...when they made statements about Jesus's divinity..they already fully knew Jesus was fully man fully God...that's common sense