[pinkpanther]

But you can also extrapolate from the other countries that are listed. The trend is worldwide; the majority of Muslims don't leave the faith. Yes, there are cases, especially western youngsters who were born Muslims but were never raised as one, or they are rebellious, influenced by other western youth. Many will return to the faith when they reach middle age.

The thing I'd like to know is the reason why they want to drop Islam. I've not heard a single valid intellectual argument why they leave Islam. At best, I get disbelief arguments, like they don't believe the Prophet was miraculously transported to Jerusalem. Many are using emotional arguments, like they dislike the harsh Hudud law, or a man can marry 4, stuff like that. But a valid intellectual argument, never.

In short, Islam is a religion that imposes restrictions that can limit an individual's personal development.

[Ali Imran]

You baptise in the highest name of the Father, son and holy Spirit...that is your one true God...

The question I'm asking is simple. I believe the true God is only 1 person. How am I wrong on that point of my faith? LKSM cannot tell me how I am wrong on that point. Can you? Using the great commission as your argument to say I'm wrong is easily dismissed. The great commission is not about who is the true God.

You believe the true God is 3 persons. I say you're wrong, and I can tell you why you're wrong, using the words of Jesus in John 17:3 as my argument.

[Ali Imran]

In short, Islam is a religion that imposes restrictions that can limit an individual's personal development.

Show me how? Give me an example.

[pinkpanther]

We can discuss what the devil will do later but now, we are talking about a method the devil may use on you because you open the door for him. See how dangerous it is to have such a faith as yours? Surely that is not God's plan for you.

No, my faith is unwavering....it's completely solid. Don't mess around; reliability can be tested, but faith cannot. see how you will involve the devil into your games....didnt know you would partner yourself with the devil 

[Ali Imran]

Can you be a moslem in the name of Allah...No..you must acknowledge Muhammad..that is associating partners...why must Allah ask you to acknowledge His creation? His creation is powerful than him?

At the time of Jesus, the correct believe is to believe the true God is only 1 person and Jesus is the messenger of God.

At our time, the correct believe is to believe the true God is only 1 person and Muhammad is the messenger of God.

Please don't be arrogant to think you know better than a few billion Muslims worldwide.

[pinkpanther]

Show me how? Give me an example.

Ask the moslem youngsters ..ask your grand children

[Ali Imran]

No, my faith is unwavering....it's completely solid. Don't mess around; reliability can be tested, but faith cannot. see how you will involve the devil into your games....didnt know you would partner yourself with the devil 

Again, I am not questioning how strong is your "highly likely" faith. We are talking about a method the devil may use on you because you let him in.

[pinkpanther]

At the time of Jesus, the correct believe is to believe the true God is only 1 person and Jesus is the messenger of God.

At our time, the correct believe is to believe the true God is only 1 person and Muhammad is the messenger of God.

Please don't be arrogant to think you know better than a few billion Muslims worldwide.

Don pretend you know christianity and the Bible...
Jesus makes many claims that he is divine...don be blind or act dumb not to acknowledge it...

I'm not arrogant but you are naive if you think you know our scriptures...like I said we could care less what you said...you have the info of jesus from the bible because your Quran is inadequate...if everything is so poorly lacking in your Quran ..don act like a tyrant and tell us how to read...

[Lukongsimi]

Their book is also for the jinns our Bible is to bring us closer to God

[Ali Imran]

Ask the moslem youngsters ..ask your grand children

I was a Muslim youngster. I was a grandchild of my grandfather. You can ask me.

I am a good application programmer. I have received an award for writing an application that solves a huge problem. I am successful in my career.

I have successfully raised 6 children, all are assets to the nation of Singapore.

So tell me, how did Islam limit my personal development?

[Lukongsimi]

Don pretend you know christianity and the Bible...
Jesus makes many claims that he is divine...don be blind or act dumb not to acknowledge it...

I'm not arrogant but you are naive if you think you know our scriptures...like I said we could care less what you said...you need the details from the bible because your Quran is inadequate...if everything is so poorly lacking in your Quran ..don act like a tyranny and tell us how to read...

He is very stubborn likes to provoke people to anger 

[pinkpanther]

Again, I am not questioning how strong is your "highly likely" faith. We are talking about a method the devil may use on you because you let him in.

I let the devil in?    please my friend ..don give me your Ali baba theory of letting in the devil...you know the devil very well?

[pinkpanther]

He is very stubborn likes to provoke people to anger 

He argued stupidly

[Ali Imran]

Don pretend you know christianity and the Bible...
Jesus makes many claims that he is divine...don be blind or act dumb not to acknowledge it...

I'm not arrogant but you are naive if you think you know our scriptures...like I said we could care less what you said...you have the info of jesus from the bible because your Quran is inadequate...if everything is so poorly lacking in your Quran ..don act like a tyranny and tell us how to read...

Yes, you are arrogant. A few days ago, you labeled the Muslims worldwide as kafir, arrogantly.

I know some Christianity. I don't know all. So I will always refer to Christian scholars to explain to me. 

And my simple question, why is it wrong to believe the true God is 1 person, remains unanswered.

[Ali Imran]

I let the devil in?    please my friend ..don give me your Ali baba theory of letting in the devil...you know the devil very well?

If you believe a man looking like your God can come into your dreams, you have opened the door for the devil to come into your dreams looking like your God.

[pinkpanther]

If you believe a man looking like your God can come into your dreams, you have opened the door for the devil to come into your dreams looking like your God.

Are you referring to Muhammad's dream where he saw Gód as a man? Is he speaking to the devil? Muhammad believes in dreams and visions ..yet you want to disbelieve him...I doubt that you are a moslem..

[Ali Imran]

Are you referring to Muhammad's dream where he saw Gód as a man? Is he speaking to the devil? Muhammad believes in dreams and visions ..yet you want to disbelieve him...I doubt you are a moslem..

No, I'm talking about your claim of seeing Jesus in dreams.

[cheekopekman]

Islam tends to emphasize individual responsibility....life is seen as a test, and one only focus on doing what's best for themself. Christianity, on the other hand, encourages us to support others and lend a helping hand whenever someone is struggling.

Just sharing 1 experience lah!  But you asked for more lah! The Bible says that when someone comes to you naked don't just say "God bless you" and send him away lah! Give him clothes to wear lah!

[pinkpanther]

Yes, you are arrogant. A few days ago, you labeled the Muslims worldwide as kafir, arrogantly.

I know some Christianity. I don't know all. So I will always refer to Christian scholars to explain to me. 

And my simple question, why is it wrong to believe  the true God is 1 person, remains unanswered.

No .I said the moslems that I know! I never say world wide .you clearly misread and put words into my mouth..

Why can't you just have a body without your spirit and soul? You answer me!

[pinkpanther]

No, I'm talking about your claim of seeing Jesus in dreams.

If Muhammad can see God in dreams..why can't others?
Is the devil giving him the revelations?

[Ali Imran]

No .I said the moslems that I know! I never say world wide .you clearly misread and put words into my mouth..

You said the Muslims who don't believe the Quran verses the same way as your way are kafirs. That means all the Muslims. We don't believe we have a dilemma but you insist we have a dilemma. So all Muslims must now follow your interpretation of the Quran and Hadith. If we don't we are kafirs according to you. That's arrogance.

[pinkpanther]

No, I'm talking about your claim of seeing Jesus in dreams.

If the devil can appear in my dream, it can appear in Muhammad's dreams...so do we have a strong case that the revelations are from the devil since it is only the Quran is only the words of Muhammad

[cheekopekman]

No, I'm talking about your claim of seeing Jesus in dreams.

Some people ever saw Jesus before lah!  Perhaps in dreams or visions lah!

[Ali Imran]

If Muhammad can see God in dreams..why can't others?
Is the devil giving him the revelations?

So, in conclusion, you have opened the door for the devil to come in and make you believe what he wants you to believe.

No, we Muslims don't need dreams to believe in God. We believe in God with our eyes open, not shut.

[pinkpanther]

You said the Muslims who don't believe the Quran verses the same way as your way are kafirs. That means all the Muslims. We don't believe we have a dilemma but you insist we have a dilemma. So all Muslims must now follow your interpretation of the Quran and Hadith. If we don't we are kafirs according to you. That's arrogance.

No..i said that you are just like the moslems that I have known..I did not say that all moslems who disagree with me are kafirs...

[Ali Imran]

Some people ever saw Jesus before lah!  Perhaps in dreams or visions lah!

If you see Jesus in your dreams and in that dream, Jesus tells you something that contradicts what he said in the red-letter Gospels, would you say that is Jesus or the devil impersonating Jesus? For example, Jesus said to love your neighbours in the Gospel. Then you dream Jesus comes to you, telling you to hate your neighbours. Is that Jesus or the devil?

[pinkpanther]

So, in conclusion, you have opened the door for the devil to come in and make you believe what he wants you to believe.

No, we Muslims don't need dreams to believe in God. We believe in God with our eyes open, not shut.

Look you have to justify that I have opened the door for the devil? Where is the justifications? What is it base on? Give me something concrete..not some Ali baba theory

[Ali Imran]

No..i said that you are just like the moslems that I have known..I did not say that all moslems who disagree with me are kafirs...

Yes, you said that. You also said many other things. You always like to tell us about our faith as though you know. That is arrogance.

[Ali Imran]

Look you have to justify that I have opened the door for the devil? Where is the justifications? What is it base on? Give me something concrete..not some Ali baba theory

Can the devil appear as a man in our dreams?

[cheekopekman]

If you see Jesus in your dreams and in that dream, Jesus tells you something that contradicts what he said in the red-letter Gospels, would you say that is Jesus or the devil impersonating Jesus? For example, Jesus said to love your neighbours in the Gospel. Then you dream Jesus comes to you, telling you to hate your neighbours. Is that Jesus or the devil?

I haven't met Jesus in my dreams before lah!  So I can't answer your questions now lah!