[pinkpanther]

Can the devil appear as a man in our dreams?

  what happen to the claim that I open the door for the devil?

[pinkpanther]

Yes, you said that. You also said many other things. You always like to tell us about our faith as though you know. That is arrogance.

we feel the same way about you too..don believe, ask lksm

[Ali Imran]

I haven't met Jesus in my dreams before lah!  So I can't answer your questions now lah!

Let's imagine you're a disciple of Jesus and you remember all the teachings Jesus gave you. Then Paul came along and told you that Jesus came to him and appointed him as an apostle. But Paul's teachings are all the opposite of Jesus's teachings. 

Would you reject Paul and conclude that whatever Paul saw in his vision wasn't Jesus?

[pinkpanther]

Let's imagine you're a disciple of Jesus and you remember all the teachings Jesus gave you. Then Paul came along and told you that Jesus came to him and appointed him as an apostle. But Paul's teachings are all the opposite of Jesus's teachings. 

Would you reject Paul and conclude that whatever Paul saw in his vision wasn't Jesus?

 window dressing...paint a nice pic..then bring Paul in!

[Ali Imran]

  what happen to the claim that I open the door for the devil?

Can the devil appear as a man in our dreams? Let's say yes.

If you believe God can appear to you as a man in your dreams, the devil can use the same avenue because he can appear as that man. Ergo, you have opened the door for the devil to come in.

[Ali Imran]

 window dressing...paint a nice pic..then bring Paul in!

Yes of course.

If we believe Paul saw what he saw, logic will tell us that whoever it was who appeared to Paul, must be the anti-Jesus because Paul's teachings are anti-Jesus' teachings.

[pinkpanther]

Yes of course.

If we believe Paul saw what he saw, logic will tell us that whoever it was who appeared to Paul, must be the anti-Jesus because Paul's teachings are anti-Jesus' teachings.

Yeah you are right...He was pro Jesus when he persecuted the Christians and he turned anti Jesus when he stop persecuting Christians ? Is this your logic?

[pinkpanther]

Can the devil appear as a man in our dreams? Let's say yes.

If you believe God can appear to you as a man in your dreams, the devil can use the same avenue because he can appear as that man. Ergo, you have opened the door for the devil to come in.

God can appear in any forms...so what is your point?

[Ali Imran]

Yeah you are right...He was pro Jesus when he persecuted the Christians and he turned anti Jesus when he stop persecuting Christians ? Is this your logic?

No, my logic is based on comparing the teachings of Jesus and Paul.

[Ali Imran]

God can appear in any forms...so what is your point?

Yes, I know you believe that. 

So you believe a man is God and can appear in your dreams. If you agree that the devil can appear as a man in your dreams, it follows that he can impersonate God.

You believe God can appear in the form of a monkey, then the same will follow. The devil can appear as a monkey in your dreams and make you believe the monkey is God.

[pinkpanther]

Yes, I know you believe that. 

So you believe a man is God and can appear in your dreams. If you agree that the devil can appear as a man in your dreams, it follows that he can impersonate God.

You believe God can appear in the form of a monkey, then the same will follow. The devil can appear as a monkey in your dreams and make you believe the monkey is God.

Get to the point .you have spent eternity.
All the prophets believe in dreams and visions and that includes Muhammad..pls try to debunk them

[pinkpanther]

No, my logic is based on comparing the teachings of Jesus and Paul.

My logic is base on his deeds then!

[Ali Imran]

Get to the point .you have spent eternity

The point is you have opened the door for the devil to come in and influence you. 

I said it's dangerous to have such a faith that will open the door for the devil to come in and influence you.

[pinkpanther]

The point is you have opened the door for the devil to come in and influence you. 

I said it's dangerous to have such a faith that will open the door for the devil to come in and influence you.

All the prophets believe in dreams and visions and that includes Muhammad..pls try to debunk them..

You can attribute all the sins to the devil if you wish too

[Ali Imran]

All the prophets believe in dreams and visions and that includes Muhammad..pls try to debunk them..

You can attribute all the sins to the devil if you wish too

We are not prophets of God. We are not special like them.

[Ali Imran]

God can appear in any forms...

So you cannot say Hinduism is false for believing God is a monkey, since you said God can appear in any forms.

Agree?

[pinkpanther]

We are not prophets of God. We are not special like them.

Every one is special lah...I grant you that the devil can appear in dreams ..So can God communicate to humans through dreams and visions?

[Ali Imran]

Every one is special lah...I grant you that the devil can appear in dreams ..So can God communicate to humans through dreams and visions?

I suppose so. But its a slippery ground, as you already know that the devil can also appear in dreams.

[pinkpanther]

So you cannot say Hinduism is false for believing God is a monkey, since you said God can appear in any forms.

Agree?

God can take on any form
If they think that that particular monkey is God..then it has to be proven. ..sounds fair?

[pinkpanther]

I suppose so. But its a slippery ground, as you already know that the devil can also appear in dreams.

would God come into your dreams and ask you to something that is against his teachings?

[Ali Imran]

God can take on any form
If they think that that particular monkey is God..then it has to be proven. ..sounds fair?

I'm sure they can prove that a monkey is God with as much proof as the Christians can muster to prove a man is God.

[pinkpanther]

I was a Muslim youngster. I was a grandchild of my grandfather. You can ask me.

I am a good application programmer. I have received an award for writing an application that solves a huge problem. I am successful in my career.

I have successfully raised 6 children, all are assets to the nation of Singapore.

So tell me, how did Islam limit my personal development?

Well the PM of Singapore is a Christian...would you be interested to know his testimony 

[Ali Imran]

would God come into your dreams and ask you to something that is against his teachings?

That would be the devil, isn't it?

So, would Jesus come to Paul and ask Paul to change Jesus's teachings?

[pinkpanther]

I'm sure they can prove that a monkey is God with as much proof as the Christians can muster to prove a man is God.

Sure.. if that monkey can fly , perform miracles and give the word of God...I can go along with it

[Ali Imran]

Well the PM of Singapore is a Christian...would you be interested to know his testimony 

The question remains.

You said Islam limits my personal development. Please tell me how is my personal development was limited by Islam?

[Lukongsimi]

He argued stupidly

He Always pretend blind can’t see our answers and keep demanding for answers 
Very shrewd Moslem 

[Ali Imran]

Sure.. if that monkey can fly , perform miracles and give the word of God...I can go along with it

Ok thank you.

Do you think it is insulting to the glory of the almighty God if you take a monkey as God?

[pinkpanther]

That would be the devil, isn't it?

So, would Jesus come to Paul and ask Paul to change Jesus's teachings?

Did Paul say that he came to distort the text? What is his motives for doing that? Just to get beheaded?

[pinkpanther]

Ok thank you.

Do you think it is insulting to the glory of the almighty God if you take a monkey as God?

It is not insulting if experts took the monkey and run through tests of reliability..

You can't literally take a monkey from the tree and expect the world to believe it is God isnt it

[Ali Imran]

It is not insulting if experts took the monkey and run through tests of reliability..

You can't literally take a monkey from the tree and expect the world to believe it is God isnt it

Yes, you cannot take just any monkey. Must be a special monkey that can speak the word of God, perform miracles, and such. But 100% monkey, just like you believe your God is also 100% man.

If you take that 100% monkey as 100% God, is that insulting to the glory of God?