[Ali Imran]

Did Paul say that he came to distort the text? What is his motives for doing that? Just to get beheaded?

No, he changed the teachings of Jesus.

[pinkpanther]

Yes, you cannot take just any monkey. Must be a special monkey that can speak the word of God, perform miracles, and such. But 100% monkey, just like you believe your God is also 100% man.

If you take that 100% monkey as 100% God, is that insulting to the glory of God?

Where is this man and his body now? In heaven! Can a man with a body withstand time and not die?

If I go with your logic of a man...then all men must die and their body returned to earth..

Mana Jesus? he is immortal, his body is in heaven..is he dead? No! Why is a man not dead?

I rest my case

[pinkpanther]

No, he changed the teachings of Jesus.

He changed the teachings for the reward of a miserable death? Might as well lead an ordinary life...I'm appealing to your logic

[Ali Imran]

Where is this man and his body now? In heaven! Can a man with a body withstand time and not die?

If I go with your logic of a man...then all men must die and their body returned to earth..

Mana Jesus? he is immortal, his body is in heaven..is he dead? No! Why is a man not dead?

I rest my case

Again, the question remains unanswered.

If you take that 100% monkey as 100% God, is that insulting to the glory of God?

[Ali Imran]

He changed the teachings for the reward of a miserable death? Might as well lead an ordinary life...I'm appealing to your logic

So he changed Jesus's teachings and replaced them with even better teachings. Is that what you're saying?

[pinkpanther]

Again, the question remains unanswered.

If you take that 100% monkey as 100% God, is that insulting to the glory of God?

God can be anything He chooses. If He wishes to take on the form of a monkey to remind humans of an approaching catastrophe or to deliver a message, why are you restricting  His potential..

The Hindus believe that their God is an elephant.
The Chinese believe in Monkey God..
Are they insulting to the glory of God...
Apparently Not!!

[pinkpanther]

So he changed Jesus's teachings and replaced them with even better teachings. Is that what you're saying?

No..that is your saying..he expanded upon the teachings of Jesus..

[Ali Imran]

No..that is your saying..he expanded upon the teachings of Jesus..

When Paul said you don't need to keep the commandments, calling it a curse, is that an expansion of the teachings of Jesus or a replacement?

[Ali Imran]

God can be anything He chooses. If He wishes to take on the form of a monkey to remind humans of an approaching catastrophe or to deliver a message, why are you restricting  His potential..

The Hindus believe that their God is an elephant.
The Chinese believe in Monkey God..
Are they insulting to the glory of God...
Apparently Not!!

Is that Christian theology or your own?

[pinkpanther]

Is that Christian theology or your own?

Christian theology

The idea that God can take any form is often viewed as consistent with His divine omnipotence and freedom.

Don forget to give me a like

[pinkpanther]

When Paul said you don't need to keep the commandments, calling it a curse, is that an expansion of the teachings of Jesus or a replacement?

He expanded on it...Paul says that seeking righteousness by obeying the Law is pointless because the Law requires flawless obedience...and falling short of this leads to a curse...He is right!

[Ali Imran]

He expanded on it...Paul says that seeking righteousness by obeying the Law is pointless because the Law requires flawless obedience...and falling short of this leads to a curse...He is right!

So Jesus was wrong when he said the one to teach people to discard the law will be called the least in the hereafter?

[pinkpanther]

Is that Christian theology or your own?

Can God enter creation...according to christianity..Yes...Islamic God too atas!!

[pinkpanther]

So Jesus was wrong when he said the one to teach people to discard the law will be called the least in the hereafter?

Paul had a relationship with Jesus. He was profoundly inspired by Jesus....the one who would want to discard the law would be an anti Christ like Muhammad and his teachings...

Jesus refer to God as His Father while Muhammad said that God can never be a Father...so you know who came and contradict Jesus's teachings

[Ali Imran]

Paul had a relationship with Jesus. He was profoundly inspired by Jesus....the one who would want to discard the law would be an anti Christ like Muhammad and his teachings...

Jesus refer to God as His Father while Muhammad said that God can never be a Father...so you know who came and contradict Jesus's teachings

Jesus said whoever discards the law and teaches others to also discard the law will be called least in the next world.

Is that teaching nullified by Paul? It seems to be so because Paul taught people to discard the law.

[pinkpanther]

Jesus said whoever discards the law and teaches others to also discard the law will be called least in the next world.

Is that teaching nullified by Paul? It seems to be so because Paul taught people to discard the law.

Jesus taught us to get baptise, even Paul was baptised..but Muhammad discarded it ...so now you know who came and discard the law

[Ali Imran]

Jesus taught us to get baptise, even Paul was baptised..but Muhammad discarded it ...so now you know who came and discard the law

Jesus taught his people to obey the commandments.

Paul came along teaching people to discard the commandments.

Did Paul nullify Jesus's teachings about the commandments?

[pinkpanther]

Jesus taught his people to obey the commandments.

Paul came along teaching people to discard the commandments.

Did Paul nullify Jesus's teachings about the commandments?

The only person who came and discard a majority of Jesus's teachings is Muhammad ..

[Ali Imran]

The only person who came and discard a majority of Jesus's teachings is Muhammad ..

Okay. I won't argue with you about our prophet. You don't believe he is a prophet after all.

But you believe Paul was an apostle of Jesus, yet Paul's teachings on obedience to the commandments contradict Jesus. How do you explain the contradiction?

[cheekopekman]

Let's imagine you're a disciple of Jesus and you remember all the teachings Jesus gave you. Then Paul came along and told you that Jesus came to him and appointed him as an apostle. But Paul's teachings are all the opposite of Jesus's teachings. 

Would you reject Paul and conclude that whatever Paul saw in his vision wasn't Jesus?

Paul met the risen Lord Jesus on his way to Damascus in Syria to arrest Christians lah!  He repeatedly shared his personal testimony to those who questioned him, including King Agrippa lah! But they didn't believe him lah!

[pinkpanther]

Okay. I won't argue with you about our prophet. You don't believe he is a prophet after all.

But you believe Paul was an apostle of Jesus, yet Paul's teachings on obedience to the commandments contradict Jesus. How do you explain the contradiction?

Simtan gave you a detailed explanation in length..why you don bothered to retort him? Like I said before...a few times already.... their messages are complementary rather than contradictory...

[Ali Imran]

Simtan gave you a detailed explanation in length..why you don bothered to retort him? Like I said before...a few times already.... their messages are complementary rather than contradictory...

Jesus said do. Paul said don't. How is that not contradictory?

[pinkpanther]

Jesus said do. Paul said don't. How is that not contradictory?

Paul didnt say don't instead He also say do and he knows it is difficult to achieve...
Just like Allah ask Muhammad to pray 50 times a day... Muhammad knows it is hard to achieve....
But I don say that Muhammad is disobedient

[cheekopekman]

Simtan gave you a detailed explanation in length..why you don bothered to retort him? Like I said before...a few times already.... their messages are complementary rather than contradictory...

Jesus said do. Paul said don't. How is that not contradictory?

Actually there's no contradiction lah!  Paul was sent by Jesus as an apostle lah!

[Lukongsimi]

Paul did not teach to discard the commandments. While he emphasized salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, he did not advocate for ignoring or breaking the Ten Commandments. Paul's writings demonstrate a continued emphasis on obedience to God's laws, including the Ten Commandments, within the context of the Christian faith. 


Paul's teachings highlighted that salvation is a gift from God, not earned through adherence to the law. This understanding doesn't mean the law is irrelevant; it emphasizes that salvation is not achieved by following the law as a means to an end.
Law as a guide:
Paul saw the Ten Commandments as a guide to righteousness, a reflection of God's character and a standard by which to measure our actions.

“Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭31‬ ‭KJV

[pinkpanther]

Okay. I won't argue with you about our prophet. You don't believe he is a prophet after all.

But you believe Paul was an apostle of Jesus, yet Paul's teachings on obedience to the commandments contradict Jesus. How do you explain the contradiction?

 Alright, at the very least, we can agree that if Muhammad is the one who came after Jesus, then he is considered a false prophet because he rejected and discarded the law. 

Since he did not come after Jesus, surely the scriptures will not have any tracks of his descriptions 

[pinkpanther]

Paul did not teach to discard the commandments. While he emphasized salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, he did not advocate for ignoring or breaking the Ten Commandments. Paul's writings demonstrate a continued emphasis on obedience to God's laws, including the Ten Commandments, within the context of the Christian faith. 


Paul's teachings highlighted that salvation is a gift from God, not earned through adherence to the law. This understanding doesn't mean the law is irrelevant; it emphasizes that salvation is not achieved by following the law as a means to an end.
Law as a guide:
Paul saw the Ten Commandments as a guide to righteousness, a reflection of God's character and a standard by which to measure our actions.

“Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭31‬ ‭KJV

Yes lah ..that fellow anyhow read...he has kosong bible knowledge

[Lukongsimi]

Yes lah ..that fellow anyhow read...he has kosong bible knowledge

He only pick cherries he like lah 

[pinkpanther]

He only pick cherries he like lah 

He thinks he is going to the market

[Lukongsimi]

He thinks he is going to the market