Scripture readings for Christmas
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(07-06-2025, 09:29 PM)Hope Wrote: As per our belief, Jesus is resurrected too.
On his second coming,
-He will descend to Damascus
-Will get marry to a woman from Levant
- will be burried in Medina mosque
- will be resurrected NAKED like all other human on the day of judgement
Show me in the Quran that Jesus is dead and needs to be resurrected
07-06-2025, 09:49 PM
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(07-06-2025, 09:36 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: He said only to the Israelites.
How come only doesn't mean only?
His focus was for them but this does not mean he was exclusively sent to them.....
Over time, Jesus's message and ministry extended beyond the Jewish people, and the gospel was eventually shared with the Gentiles.
07-06-2025, 09:55 PM
(07-06-2025, 06:32 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: According to Islam...is Jesus a man? Where is He now? Why did Allah not zap Muhammad up into heaven but let him suffered death...isnt it merciful to keep him alive until judgement day?
Jesus is a man who had circumcision like other men
Jesus is coming to live and die before end of the world.
He will decend to Damascus
He will get marry
After living 30+ years. He will die and burried in Medina mosque.
Prophet Muhammad died because he had a soul.
Jesus will also die as he has a soul.
“Every soul will taste death. And We test you ˹O humanity˺ with good and evil as a trial, then to Us you will ˹all˺ be returned.”Quran 21:35
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(07-06-2025, 09:55 PM)Hope Wrote: Jesus is a man who had circumcision like other men
Jesus is coming to live and die before end of the world.
He will decend to Damascus
He will get marry
After living 30+ years. He will die and burried in Medina mosque.
Prophet Muhammad died because he had a soul.
Jesus will also die as he has a soul.
“Every soul will taste death. And We test you ˹O humanity˺ with good and evil as a trial, then to Us you will ˹all˺ be returned.”Quran 21:35
Show me from your Quran that Jesus is dead.
Allah raised Jesus to Himself...Did Allah take his soul? Show me!
07-06-2025, 10:03 PM
(07-06-2025, 07:01 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: According to Islam, Jesus is only a man..how is a man able to survive in heaven for so long?
As per Islam, There are living things Such as animals , plants, birds and etc in the heaven.
So It is not a wonder Jesus could live long
He is waiting there to come to live and die before end of the world
“And his ˹second˺ coming is truly a sign for the Hour. So have no doubt about it, and follow me. This is the Straight Path.”Quran 43:61
07-06-2025, 10:07 PM
(07-06-2025, 07:19 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: All those who rejected the Word of God will be resurrected. They will be judged by Christ and cast into the lake of fire, the place where they will suffer final and everlasting punishment.
Can you clarify if the word of God is same as word of Jesus?
Because we are discussing Trinity separately
07-06-2025, 10:07 PM
(07-06-2025, 09:59 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: So only the human nature died? So it wasn't a divine sacrifice but just another regular human sacrifice?
He is the ultimate sacrifice for human sins....
With His sinless self, an act of divine love and grace that atoned for humanity's sins and reconciled them with God....is that not divine..
07-06-2025, 10:11 PM
(07-06-2025, 10:03 PM)Hope Wrote: As per Islam, There are living things Such as animals , plants, birds and etc in the heaven.
So It is not a wonder Jesus could live long
He is waiting there to come to live and die before end of the world
“And his ˹second˺ coming is truly a sign for the Hour. So have no doubt about it, and follow me. This is the Straight Path.”Quran 43:61
So according to Islam, plants and animals have souls and at judgement day, they too will be judged?
So Jesus is not dead and needs no ressurection.
Thus He is the last prophet according to Islam
07-06-2025, 10:13 PM
(07-06-2025, 10:03 PM)Hope Wrote: As per Islam, There are living things Such as animals , plants, birds and etc in the heaven.
So It is not a wonder Jesus could live long
He is waiting there to come to live and die before end of the world
“And his ˹second˺ coming is truly a sign for the Hour. So have no doubt about it, and follow me. This is the Straight Path.”Quran 43:61
If Jesus is only a man and in heaven...how is he going to survive .. according to you, you said that a man needs to eat, sleep and defacate...is He possibly doing it in heaven?
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(07-06-2025, 08:30 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Why did Allah keep Muhammad in the Barzahk? Isnt it more effective to keep Jesus in your Shahada since He is alive and able to hear you?
Teaching and the nation of Jesus ended with ascension .
He will not be teaching anything new on his second coming.
He will just follow the nation of Muhammad on his second coming.
How do you know Jesus could hear from heaven?
07-06-2025, 10:22 PM
(07-06-2025, 10:15 PM)Hope Wrote: There are living things in the heaven.
It is not a wonder Jesus a human could live long.
Beside Jesus, There are two more prophets in the heaven.
You oppose the notion that God requires food and drink, but you do not deny that human can live in heaven without aging...
If a human can live in heaven, why can't God live as a human on earth?
07-06-2025, 10:25 PM
(07-06-2025, 10:20 PM)Hope Wrote: Teaching and the nation of Jesus ended with ascension .
He will not be teaching anything new on his second coming.
He will just follow the nation of Muhammad on his second coming.
How do you know Jesus could hear from heaven?
If Jesus, who is alive and yet unable to hear from heaven, then what leads you to believe that Muhammad, who is deceased and in Barzakh, can hear your praises?
07-06-2025, 10:32 PM
(07-06-2025, 08:48 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: He was sent for the world
.John 3:17 states, "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him,"
This verse is talking about salvation.
If he was the prophet for humanity, what are his actions, teachings and impacts of various aspects of human life including social justice , equality and spiritual guidance?
07-06-2025, 10:37 PM
(07-06-2025, 09:47 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: God never die. The Human nature of Jesus died for 3 days and He was resurrected.
Muhammad died leaving Isa as truly the last prophet according to Islam
Please clarify who died
-Human nature of Jesus
Or
-Human nature of father ?
Isa was the last prophet to Israelites from Jacob lineage
07-06-2025, 10:41 PM
(07-06-2025, 09:29 PM)Hope Wrote: As per our belief, Jesus is resurrected too.
On his second coming,
-He will descend to Damascus
-Will get marry to a woman from Levant
- will be burried in Medina mosque
- will be resurrected NAKED like all other human on the day of judgement
(07-06-2025, 09:48 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Show me in the Quran that Jesus is dead and needs to be resurrected
He will die on his second coming.
He will be resurrected on the day of judgement
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(07-06-2025, 10:32 PM)Hope Wrote: This verse is talking about salvation.
If he was the prophet for humanity, what are his actions, teachings and impacts of various aspects of human life including social justice , equality and spiritual guidance?
Yes, it is about salvation..
Allah did not go through all these troubles to make Jesus an ordinary prophet .
Is Jibril a holy spirit?
The identification of the archangel Gabriel with the Holy Spirit is not explicitly stated in the Quran itself, but is a later development in Islamic tradition
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(07-06-2025, 10:07 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: He is the ultimate sacrifice for human sins....
With His sinless self, an act of divine love and grace that atoned for humanity's sins and reconciled them with God....is that not divine..
We are responsible for our sins .
“Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Should I seek a lord other than Allah while He is the Lord of everything?” No one will reap except what they sow. No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of your differences.”Quran 6:164
“They state˺ that no soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another,”Quran 53:38
“Whoever chooses to be guided, it is only for their own good. And whoever chooses to stray, it is only to their own loss. No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. And We would never punish ˹a people˺ until We have sent a messenger ˹to warn them˺.”Quran 17:15
“No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. And if a sin-burdened soul cries for help with its burden, none of it will be carried—even by a close relative. You ˹O Prophet˺ can only warn those who stand in awe of their Lord without seeing Him1 and establish prayer. Whoever purifies themselves, they only do so for their own good. And to Allah is the final return.”Quran 35:18
07-06-2025, 10:53 PM
(07-06-2025, 10:11 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: So according to Islam, plants and animals have souls and at judgement day, they too will be judged?
So Jesus is not dead and needs no ressurection.
Thus He is the last prophet according to Islam
Jesus will live and die on his second coming.
Only living things given WISDOM will be questioned on the day of judgement.
07-06-2025, 10:55 PM
(07-06-2025, 10:50 PM)Hope Wrote: We are responsible for our sins .
“Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Should I seek a lord other than Allah while He is the Lord of everything?” No one will reap except what they sow. No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of your differences.”Quran 6:164
“They state˺ that no soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another,”Quran 53:38
“Whoever chooses to be guided, it is only for their own good. And whoever chooses to stray, it is only to their own loss. No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. And We would never punish ˹a people˺ until We have sent a messenger ˹to warn them˺.”Quran 17:15
“No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. And if a sin-burdened soul cries for help with its burden, none of it will be carried—even by a close relative. You ˹O Prophet˺ can only warn those who stand in awe of their Lord without seeing Him1 and establish prayer. Whoever purifies themselves, they only do so for their own good. And to Allah is the final return.”Quran 35:18
No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. And if a sin-burdened soul cries for help with its burden, none of it will be carried—even by a close relative. You ˹O Prophet˺ can only warn those who stand in awe of their Lord without seeing Him1 and establish prayer. Whoever purifies themselves, they only do so for their own good. And to Allah is the final return.”Quran 35:18
So a soul with no sins can bear the burden of others.
This is exactly what Jesus is doing!
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