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(07-06-2025, 10:07 PM)Hope Wrote: Can you clarify if the word of God is same as word of Jesus?
Because we are discussing Trinity separately
The word of God refers to the bible n also to Jesus
Who brings the message of God to humanity
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(07-06-2025, 10:44 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Yes, it is about salvation..
Allah did not go through all these troubles to make Jesus an ordinary prophet .
Is Jibril a holy spirit?
The identification of the archangel Gabriel with the Holy Spirit is not explicitly stated in the Quran itself, but is a later development in Islamic tradition
Allah sent Isa to establish the law of Moses .
Allah didn’t send Isa to teach salvation.we do not believe in original sin.
We don’t have holy sprit and Gabriel separately like in Christianity.
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(07-06-2025, 10:46 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Ok .we can agree that Jesus is alive..why are you praising Muhammad who is in Barzahk and not Jesus who is in heaven with Allah?
We praise Jesus and Mary too.
Muhammad is the leader of our nation.
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(07-06-2025, 10:47 PM)Ipinkpanther Wrote: Only Jesus and John...so humans can live in heaven but God cannot come down and live as a human? Is God capable to do it?
Why should god come to the earth?
God is beyond our comprehension.
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(07-06-2025, 11:09 PM)Hope Wrote: Allah sent Isa to establish the law of Moses .
Allah didn’t send Isa to teach salvation.we do not believe in original sin.
We don’t have holy sprit and Gabriel separately like in Christianity.
Allah makes Jesus sinless just to preach to the israelites? Then zap him up into heaven?
Then why go through all these troubles...just anyhow find a sinful guy to pass His message will do...no need to keep him in heaven..
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(07-06-2025, 10:55 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. And if a sin-burdened soul cries for help with its burden, none of it will be carried—even by a close relative. You ˹O Prophet˺ can only warn those who stand in awe of their Lord without seeing Him1 and establish prayer. Whoever purifies themselves, they only do so for their own good. And to Allah is the final return.”Quran 35:18
So a soul with no sins can bear the burden of others.
This is exactly what Jesus is doing!
It is your belief. You may hold it tight , if you believe it is true.
You will be a loser on the day of judgement.
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(07-06-2025, 11:12 PM)Hope Wrote: Why should god come to the earth?
God is beyond our comprehension.
Why should man go heaven?
Yes God is beyond our comprehension even if he becomes a man
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(07-06-2025, 11:00 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Isa is immortal because he can live in heaven in his body for 2000+ years..
Can you show me from the Quran that Jesus will die on his second coming ...No innovation please
It is from Hadith.
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(07-06-2025, 11:06 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: If Jesus didn't come down, that means Muhammad will not get resurrected..correct?
Not only Muhammad, Everyone including aborted fetus
The world will not end just because coming of Jesus.
Jesus will come before the end to live and die like other humans.
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(07-06-2025, 11:15 PM)Hope Wrote: It is your belief. You may hold it tight , if you believe it is true.
You will be a loser on the day of judgement.
No..Allah will make us stronger
Quran 3:55, a verse from Surah Al-Imran, states: "And (remember) when Allah said: 'O Jesus, I will surely take you to Myself and raise you up to Me, and
I will purify you from those who deny the truth, and I will elevate your followers above the unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection.
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(07-06-2025, 11:16 PM)Hope Wrote: It is from Hadith.
Hadith is not from Allah
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(07-06-2025, 11:08 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: But your praises are not for Jesus .why should he come and save you?
We praise all the 25 prophets and Mary.
Save from what?
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(07-06-2025, 11:08 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: The word of God refers to the bible n also to Jesus
Who brings the message of God to humanity
It means Jesus is God.
God who has three natures died on the cross
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(07-06-2025, 11:19 PM)Hope Wrote: Not only Muhammad, Everyone including aborted fetus
The world will not end just because coming of Jesus.
Jesus will come before the end to live and die like other humans.
So the existence of Muhammad depends on Jesus!
Why are you not praising him? You will be resurrected as well..why can't you pay your respect to the living Jesus now?
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(07-06-2025, 11:15 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Allah makes Jesus sinless just to preach to the israelites? Then zap him up into heaven?
Then why go through all these troubles...just anyhow find a sinful guy to pass His message will do...no need to keep him in heaven..
Jesus is sinless.because he was conceived with the sprit/ Ruhu of Allah.
I don’t know Allah’s wisdom behind this.
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(07-06-2025, 11:23 PM)Hope Wrote: It means Jesus is God.
God who has three natures died on the cross
Isa also have 2 natures in Islam..a human nature and a divine nature ...a divine nature will make sure that his body can withstand 2000+ years
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(07-06-2025, 11:26 PM)Hope Wrote: Jesus is sinless.because he was conceived with the sprit/ Ruhu of Allah.
I don’t know Allah’s wisdom behind this.
Allah doesnt have to do that...He can just find one regular guy to take the role of Jesus
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(07-06-2025, 11:16 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Why should man go heaven?
Yes God is beyond our comprehension even if he becomes a man
There are so many types of God.The God who created this universe is beyond our comprehension.
Heaven/ Hell is one of the stages of human life.
How can you accept the concept of heaven in Christianity?What are the differences in Christian and Muslim heaven?
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(07-06-2025, 11:19 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: No..Allah will make us stronger
Quran 3:55, a verse from Surah Al-Imran, states: "And (remember) when Allah said: 'O Jesus, I will surely take you to Myself and raise you up to Me, and I will purify you from those who deny the truth, and I will elevate your followers above the unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection.
This ref to people who believed him during his life time.
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(07-06-2025, 11:20 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Hadith is not from Allah
Yes.
Quran teaches in many verses that a soul has to die and resurrected . This applies to Jesus who had a soul.
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(07-06-2025, 11:33 PM)Hope Wrote: This ref to people who believed him during his life time.
It never says during his life time..and Allah is elevating us who follow Jesus above you the unbelievers till the end of days
I will purify you from those who deny the truth, and I will elevate your followers above the unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection.
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(07-06-2025, 11:25 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: So the existence of Muhammad depends on Jesus!
Why are you not praising him? You will be resurrected as well..why can't you pay your respect to the living Jesus now?
No one is depending on Jesus to live on this earth.
It is Allah who give life and take the life back.
Even though Jesus is alive , He has no
Communication with this world.He has no power to communicate or to decide when to come.
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(07-06-2025, 11:27 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Isa also have 2 natures in Islam..a human nature and a divine nature ...a divine nature will make sure that his body can withstand 2000+ years
He is a human only.
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(07-06-2025, 11:29 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Allah doesnt have to do that...He can just find one regular guy to take the role of Jesus
I don’t know the wisdom behind this.
However dozens of prophet from Jacob lineage had come to Israelites before Jesus.
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