[Hope]

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[pinkpanther]

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What is the Injil? Muhammad endorsed and affirmed it, Allah says it is with the Christians!

[Ali Imran]

What is the Injil? Muhammad endorsed and affirmed it, Allah says it is with the Christians!

The Injeel came out of the mouth of the son of Mary, pbuh.

Do you think these words below, taken from the book of Luke, which you call the Gospel, came out of the mouth of Jesus?

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

[pinkpanther]

The Injeel came out of the mouth of the son of Mary, pbuh.

Do you think these words below, taken from the book of Luke, which you call the Gospel, came out of the mouth of Jesus?

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

That's great! Where can I obtain a copy of the Islamic Injil? The Christian scriptures only include the Old and New Testaments. Christianity predates Islam by about 700 years. So, what was Jesus preaching if He wasn't taught the Injil? Why does Allah say that the Injil is with the Christians if you claim we don't have it?

[Ali Imran]

That's great! Where can I obtain a copy of the Islamic Injil? The Christian scriptures only include the Old and New Testaments. Christianity predates Islam by about 700 years. So, what was Jesus preaching if He wasn't taught the Injil? Why does Allah say that the Injil is with the Christians if you claim we don't have it?

Can we first agree that what you have in the 4 Gospels are not the words of the Messiah pbuh?

[pinkpanther]

Can we first agree that what you have in the 4 Gospels are not the words of the Messiah pbuh?

 The actions, words, and teachings of Jesus are documented in the four Gospels....but for the sake of arguing...I can go along with your request

[Ali Imran]

 The actions, words, and teachings of Jesus are documented in the four Gospels....but for the sake of arguing...I can go along with your request

Ok cool. So, the words found in your 4 Gospels are not the words of the Messiah, pbuh. If you agree with that, and you must, you can proceed.

[pinkpanther]

Ok cool. So, the words found in your 4 Gospels are not the words of the Messiah, pbuh. If you agree with that, and you must, you can proceed.

No..I have to disagree 100% but for argument I will just take that the 4 gospels do not mention anything about jesus..

You can base on what you know about the injil without having to take references from the Bible

[Ali Imran]

No..I have to disagree 100% but for argument I will just take that the 4 gospels do not mention anything about jesus..

You can base on what you know about the injil without having to take references from the Bible

So you believe Jesus spoke these words:

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

[pinkpanther]

So you believe Jesus spoke these words:

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

I prefer you leave the investigation to others....can't help but have a feeling you will miss some huge chunks of findings

[cheekopekman]

So you believe Jesus spoke these words:

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

I prefer you leave the investigation to others....can't help but have a feeling you will miss some huge chunks of findings

The whole Bible is the Word of God lah!  God spoke men wrote lah!

[Ali Imran]

I prefer you leave the investigation to others....can't help but have a feeling you will miss some huge chunks of findings

Among those words it says: 

With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated ...

Who is I there?

[Ali Imran]

The whole Bible is the Word of God lah!  God spoke men wrote lah!

Who told you that?

[pinkpanther]

Among those words it says: 

With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated ...

Who is I there?

  OK..so what is your findings?

[Ali Imran]

  OK..so what is your findings?

Is that "I" there Jesus?

[pinkpanther]

Is that "I" there Jesus?

No! When we talk about the injil...we only use "Isa"

[Ali Imran]

No! When we talk about the injil...we only use "Isa"

So, if that "I" is not the son of Mary pbuh, can we then agree that those words from the book of Luke didn't come out of Jesus's mouth?

[pinkpanther]

So, if that "I" is not the son of Mary pbuh, can we then agree that those words from the book of Luke didn't come out of Jesus's mouth?

Luke's Gospel states that it is based on the accounts of eyewitnesses...it is a record of Jesus' life, teachings, and ministry, and it includes numerous direct quotes and accounts of what Jesus said.

[Ali Imran]

Luke's Gospel states that it is based on the accounts of eyewitnesses...it is a record of Jesus' life, teachings, and ministry, and it includes numerous direct quotes and accounts of what Jesus said.

But not Jesus's own words, correct?

[pinkpanther]

But not Jesus's own words, correct?

it includes numerous direct quotes and accounts of what Jesus said. However, it does not contain every single word Jesus ever spoke.

[Ali Imran]

it includes numerous direct quotes and accounts of what Jesus said. However, it does not contain every single word Jesus ever spoke.

Not a single word, correct?

[pinkpanther]

Not a single word, correct?

Hello ..the lord 's prayers and the great commission is in Luke.. 

There is nothing from your Quran, nothing from what you believed is the injil....

[Ali Imran]

Hello ..the lord 's prayers and the great commission is in Luke.. 

There is nothing from your Quran, nothing from what you believed is the injil....

What language was the author of Luke using in his book? Did Jesus preach in that language?

So no, not a single word of the Lord's prayer was from the son of Mary, pbuh. We cannot be 100% sure.

[pinkpanther]

What language was the author of Luke using in his book? Did Jesus preach in that language?

So no, not a single word of the Lord's prayer was from the son of Mary, pbuh. We cannot be 100% sure.

It does not matter, Jesus did not speak Arabic too.
Jesus can speak and preach in any languages that he likes...like I said, Greek is a common language.

What you don have is the Injil...nothing of the Injil can be found..but the Quran can go on to confirm and affirm a ghost book...that speaks volume of the Quran

Let me ask you again...Allah said it is with us and we were reading it back then....

[Ali Imran]

It does not matter, Jesus did not speak Arabic too.
Jesus can speak and preach in any languages that he likes...like I said, Greek is a common language.

What you don have is the Injil...nothing of the Injil can be found..but the Quran can go on to confirm and affirm a ghost book...that speaks volume of the Quran

Let me ask you again...Allah said it is with us and we were reading it back then....

Did the Christians have writings they called the Gospels, which were written a few decades after Jesus?

[pinkpanther]

Did the Christians have writings they called the Gospels, which were written a few decades after Jesus?

Then you have to go back to the reliability of the NT..
I'm asking you about the Injil...no need to come to our NT to make a case since the Quran has nothing on the NT

[Ali Imran]

Then you have to go back to the reliability of the NT..
I'm asking you about the Injil...no need to come to our NT to make a case since the Quran has nothing on the NT

I didn't mention the NT.

Did the Christians have writings they called the Gospels, which were written a few decades after Jesus?

[pinkpanther]

I didn't mention the NT.

Did the Christians have writings they called the Gospels, which were written a few decades after Jesus?

It was all compiled more or less within that 100 years..

"And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming what came before him in the Torah, and We gave him the Injil, in which was guidance and light and confirming what was before it of the Torah, a guidance and an admonition for those who fear Allah." (Quran 5:46)

"Say, 'O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.' And that which has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people." (Quran 5:68)

[Ali Imran]

It was all compiled more or less within that 100 years..

"And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming what came before him in the Torah, and We gave him the Injil, in which was guidance and light and confirming what was before it of the Torah, a guidance and an admonition for those who fear Allah." (Quran 5:46)

"Say, 'O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.' And that which has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people." (Quran 5:68)

You've admitted that the Gospels contain some translated words of Jesus. So, you need to listen to those AND the Quran if you want to be saved.

[Lukongsimi]

The gospels is about your muh Meh?