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(18-06-2025, 01:19 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: If you don't know, don't make claims. That's arrogance. When you're an ignoramus, I can give you lessons to remedy it. But arrogant people cannot learn. So don't be arrogant. Ask instead of making claims like that.
Hey I have asked many times .. apparently Allah, Muhammad and you have produced contradicting answers
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(18-06-2025, 01:33 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Hey I have asked many times .. apparently Allah, Muhammad and you have produced contradicting answers
Please provide proof.
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(18-06-2025, 01:13 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I was having high fever for the last couple of days. Now on recovery
Alright, let's pray that Jesus heals you quickly.
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(18-06-2025, 01:31 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Our Bible contains all of His words, carefully recorded. Unfortunately, the Quran does not include them. That's why someone seeking to learn about Jesus would not turn to the Quran...
Furthermore..There is no record of Jesus stating that Muhammad's name would be found in the Torah and Gospel...such a claim remains unsubstantiated by Islam for over 1,400 years. It's similar to accusing someone of being a criminal without any proof....
Even the Gospel says it doesn't contain all his teachings (John 21:25). You're just lying to win arguments.
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(18-06-2025, 01:35 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Please provide proof.
You said the injil was never recorded and never in circulation....that is a big contrast to what Allah said
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(18-06-2025, 01:36 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Alright, let's pray that Jesus heals you quickly.
Thank you. I am recovering. That's why I am back online.
My fever hit 39.2 at its peak. How was yours?
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(18-06-2025, 01:37 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: You said the injil was never recorded and never in circulation....that is a big contrast to what Allah said
What makes you think you know what Allah says?
And more importantly, we already know, from Christian scholars of the NT, there are no records of Jesus' exact words anywhere.
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(18-06-2025, 01:36 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Even the Gospel says it doesn't contain all his teachings (John 21:25). You're just lying to win arguments.
No, show me where you can find teachings of Jesus besides the Gospel ..none! So there is no lying
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(18-06-2025, 01:43 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: No, show me where you can find teachings of Jesus besides the Gospel ..none! So there is no lying
You said the Bible contains ALL OF HIS WORDS. The verse in John 21 denies that.
Are you mistaken or are you lying? Its okay to make a mistake.
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(18-06-2025, 01:40 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: What makes you think you know what Allah says?
And more importantly, we already know, from Christian scholars of the NT, there are no records of Jesus' exact words anywhere.
What makes you think that I do not know what Allah said....you don even know the Bible but you can misinterpret thêm so badly
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(18-06-2025, 01:46 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: You said the Bible contains ALL OF HIS WORDS. The verse in John 21 denies that.
Are you mistaken or are you lying? Its okay to make a mistake.
Jesus can say alot of things....the only book that only have his words recorded is the gospel....you can find no others! Giving me John 21 just prove mẹ you have no other sources of his words
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(18-06-2025, 01:48 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Jesus can say alot of things....the only book that only have his words recorded is the gospel....you can find no others! Giving me John 21 just prove mẹ you have no other sources of his words
You said "ALL of his words".
Do you wish to make a correction or are you gonna insist on that falsehood?
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(18-06-2025, 01:46 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: What makes you think that I do not know what Allah said....you don even know the Bible but you can misinterpret thêm so badly 
If I misinterpret the Bible, please correct me.
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(18-06-2025, 01:46 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: What makes you think that I do not know what Allah said...
I know.
Allah never once mentions the Bible in the Quran yet you insist that your Bible is confirmed in the Quran.
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(18-06-2025, 01:56 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I know.
Allah never once mentions the Bible in the Quran yet you insist that your Bible is confirmed in the Quran.
No...I would never want the Bible to have anything to do with the Quran..
The Quran makes a claim that the christians were already reading the Injil during the time of Muhammad....what I want to know is what happened to the injil?
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(18-06-2025, 01:51 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: If I misinterpret the Bible, please correct me.
You have been misinterpreting it for the past decades...
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(18-06-2025, 02:10 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: You have been misinterpreting it for the past decades...
You mean I don't read the Bible using a Christian lens, which will redefine certain words like "only"?
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(18-06-2025, 02:09 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: No...I would never want the Bible to have anything to do with the Quran..
The Quran makes a claim that the christians were already reading the Injil during the time of Muhammad....what I want to know is what happened to the injil?
Even today you are reading what you would call the Injeel.
But is it the Injeel which was revealed to Prophet Jesus pbuh? The answer is no and even the Christian scholars will agree with me.
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(18-06-2025, 02:14 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: You mean I don't read the Bible using a Christian lens, which will redefine certain words like "only"?
Even the word " only" needs to be read in context..the Bible does not have many different interpretations unlike the Quran so it is necessary to get the meaning right the first time!
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(18-06-2025, 02:15 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Even today you are reading what you would call the Injeel.
But is it the Injeel which was revealed to Prophet Jesus pbuh? The answer is no and even the Christian scholars will agree with me.
So far the last christian scholar isnt on your side when you use him
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(18-06-2025, 02:31 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: So far the last christian scholar isnt on your side when you use him 
You mean Dr. Wallace? Even he will agree that the Gospels you have in your NT isn't the verbatim words of Jesus.
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Many Muslims in Saudi Arabia are now Christians lah!

They also cover up like those women and walk around at Mecca lah! But they're praising the name of Lord Jesus Christ lah!
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(18-06-2025, 02:30 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Even the word " only" needs to be read in context..the Bible does not have many different interpretations unlike the Quran so it is necessary to get the meaning right the first time!
The Quranic verse 112:1, which is an important verse, doesn't have a variation in the interpretations by any scholars of the Quran, because it is a verse that teaches a very important aspect of the faith.
The Gospel verse of John 17:3, requires you to redefine the word "only" because that verse will cancel out the Trinity if you read it without any lens.
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(18-06-2025, 02:30 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Even the word " only" needs to be read in context..the Bible does not have many different interpretations unlike the Quran so it is necessary to get the meaning right the first time!
The Bible is different across different countries and across different times.
If you go to Ethiopia today, their Bible differs from yours.
If you travel back in time, the Bible is different from what you're reading today.
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“Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: ‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’ and, ‘In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ ” Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’ ””
Matthew 4:5-7 NKJV
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(18-06-2025, 01:38 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Thank you. I am recovering. That's why I am back online.
My fever hit 39.2 at its peak. How was yours?
I believe I had COVID. I'm now about 80% recovered, with my appetite gradually returning. However, I can't taste anything at the moment...
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(18-06-2025, 03:36 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: I believe I had COVID. I'm now about 80% recovered, with my appetite gradually returning. However, I can't taste anything at the moment...
Thank God for healing you lah!
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(18-06-2025, 02:42 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: The Bible is different across different countries and across different times.
If you go to Ethiopia today, their Bible differs from yours.
If you travel back in time, the Bible is different from what you're reading today.
The Bible the Christians were reading during Muhammad's time was the same one as what we have today....nothing suggest what the Christians were reading differently back then!
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(18-06-2025, 03:38 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: Thank God for healing you lah! 
Hallelujah!
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(18-06-2025, 02:36 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: The Gospel verse of John 17:3, requires you to redefine the word "only" because that verse will cancel out the Trinity if you read it without any lens.
Don just stop at 17:3
Please read 2 verses further and you will read this
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.