[Ali Imran]

If you read the whole NT...there is only one conclusion. Jesus is God! Christians are very clear!

No, I disagree.

In many places in the synoptic Gospels, Jesus wasn't God, and the red letters verses made that clear.

[pinkpanther]

No, it wasn't a deception from Allah. Men did it. Not Allah.

Allah wills who He wills...He just need to say the word "Be" and everything will be reconciled...He didnt do it and he led to a big mess today!!

[Ali Imran]

What is strange is that there is not a moslem testimony on the existence of Allah, Muhammad or Jibril ....

.Moslems are simply living their lives, striving to pass their personal tests according to Allah's plan... Over time, however, many of you have become hardened and indifferent, perhaps feeling neglected by Allah...In Christianity, we cultivate a personal relationship with God and experience His presence firsthand. Many individuals have shared testimonies affirming the truth of their faith, which has transformed their lives...

You didn't answer the question but instead you went on a tirade, speaking on behalf of the Muslims as though you know our spiritual self.

That's arrogance, speaking as though you know.

[Ali Imran]

Allah wills who He wills...He just need to say the word "Be" and everything will be reconciled...He didnt do it and he led to a big mess today!!

If you choose to be in that mess, is it Allah's fault?

[Ali Imran]

While there are minor differences in wording and some passages included in later versions, the core text and meaning of the New Testament from the 4th century is largely the same as what is found in modern Bibles. There are no significant alterations or fabrications that would change the fundamental doctrines of Christianity.

Even if the NT is badly corrupted, the Trinity will not be affected. The reason is simple. The Trinity is not explicitly taught in the NT.

[pinkpanther]

No, I disagree.

In many places in the synoptic Gospels, Jesus wasn't God, and the red letters verses made that clear.

You have to be intellectually honest with yourself if you read the NT...you cannot come to conclude that he is just a mere mortal!

John 8:58
"Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

John 10:30
"I and the Father are one."

John 14:9
"Whoever has seen me has seen the Father."

Revelation 1:17-18
"I am the First and the Last, and the Living One; I was dead, and now I am alive forever and ever."

Mark 14:61-62
When asked if He is the Christ, the Son of God, Jesus replies, "I am,"

[Ali Imran]

You have to be intellectually honest with yourself if you read the NT...you cannot come to conclude that he is just a mere mortal!

John 8:58
"Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

John 10:30
"I and the Father are one."

John 14:9
"Whoever has seen me has seen the Father."

Revelation 1:17-18
"I am the First and the Last, and the Living One; I was dead, and now I am alive forever and ever."

Mark 14:61-62
When asked if He is the Christ, the Son of God, Jesus replies, "I am,"

The book of John is not synoptic and even so, those verses from John are ambiguous. You need to first believe Jesus is God before reading it and only then can you say Jesus is God because of those verses. 

The verse in Mark doesn't make Jesus God because saying Jesus is the son of God doesn't make Jesus God. There are many sons of God in the Bible.

[pinkpanther]

If you choose to be in that mess, is it Allah's fault?

He has plenty to explain to Jesus...
I do not believe in the Islamic Allah because I believe He makes mistakes!!

[Ali Imran]

He has plenty to explain to Jesus...
I do not believe in the Islamic Allah because I believe He makes mistakes!!

Ok. You can believe whatever you want.

What you cannot do is prove the mistakes.

[pinkpanther]

The book of John is not synoptic and even so, those verses from John are ambiguous. You need to first believe Jesus is God before reading it and only then can you say Jesus is God because of those verses. 

The verse in Mark doesn't make Jesus God because saying Jesus is the son of God doesn't make Jesus God. There are many sons of God in the Bible.

You're correct that simply calling Jesus the "Son of God" doesn't automatically equate to claiming divinity, as the Bible refers to others as sons of God as well. However, in the context of the New Testament, Jesus’s use of titles and claims.....especially when combined with other statements—point toward His divine nature.

[pinkpanther]

Ok. You can believe whatever you want.

What you cannot do is prove the mistakes.

Christianity is the largest religion not Islam ..Allah wills this to happen! He didnt correct the people on the cross that day ...they went on to spread Christianity...

See ...I  have proven His mistakes

[Ali Imran]

Christianity is the largest religion not Islam ..Allah wills this to happen! He didnt correct the people on the cross that day ...they went on to spread Christianity...

See ...I  have proven His mistakes

Satan fooled people, and you blame God?

[pinkpanther]

Even if the NT is badly corrupted, the Trinity will not be affected. The reason is simple. The Trinity is not explicitly taught in the NT.

Yes, the Trinity wasn't taught but the concept of the Trinity was already there...

[pinkpanther]

Satan fooled people, and you blame God?

God did not do a clean job...and He allows Satan into a mess that He created...so who is still to blame?

[Ali Imran]

You're correct that simply calling Jesus the "Son of God" doesn't automatically equate to claiming divinity, as the Bible refers to others as sons of God as well. However, in the context of the New Testament, Jesus’s use of titles and claims.....especially when combined with other statements—point toward His divine nature.

Again. You need to first believe Jesus is God before reading those verses to make it look like Jesus is God.

[Ali Imran]

God did not do a clean job...and He allows Satan into a mess that He created...so who is still to blame?

You mean Allah allows satan to create the mess in story of Jesus? Then yes, that is true. Allah allows the devil to do that. But Allah also sends the clarification but you don't want to believe.

Why did Allah allow satan to attempt to mislead people? That is the question you must ask.

[Ali Imran]

Yes, the Trinity wasn't taught but the concept of the Trinity was already there...

No, I disagree. If the concept is there, it would not take 300+ years before they finally formulated the Trinity and even after that, for many centuries, the opponents of the Trinity still rejected it, with solid arguments.

[pinkpanther]

Again. You need to first believe Jesus is God before reading those verses to make it look like Jesus is God.

No ...the verses will tell you that Jesus is God..
When the Father speaks so highly of the Son, you 
cannot just imagine that He is just an ordinary sinless man born from a virgin...He has a greater purpose for Humanity......

Allah cannot just zap him up into heaven just like that because His purpose is not done yet

[Ali Imran]

No ...the verses will tell you that Jesus is God..
When the Father speaks so highly of the Son, you 
cannot just imagine that He is just an ordinary sinless man born from a virgin...He has a greater purpose for Humanity......

Allah cannot just zap him up into heaven just like that because His purpose is not done yet

The son of Mary, pbuh, wasn't an ordinary man. That much we can all agree.

Jesus' mission was already made clear, right from the beginning. He was sent for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, their last chance at salvation. He is going to be the Messiah and till today, he is still not the Messiah ergo, his mission is not yet complete.

[pinkpanther]

No, I disagree. If the concept is there, it would not take 300+ years before they finally formulated the Trinity and even after that, for many centuries, the opponents of the Trinity still rejected it, with solid  arguments.

That is why it is put to a debate and vote in that council ..we need to solidify the beliefs!

[Ali Imran]

No ...the verses will tell you that Jesus is God..

All the verses you can bring to me are all ambiguous. I can counter-argue them and I have done so many times.

[pinkpanther]

The son of Mary, pbuh, wasn't an ordinary man. That much we can all agree.

Jesus' mission was already made clear, right from the beginning. He was sent for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, their last chance at salvation. He is going to be the Messiah and till today, he is still not the Messiah ergo, his mission is not yet complete.

Yes..Jesus was no ordinary man no ordinary God.
The fact that Allah cannot bring down Christianity as the global number 1 just show that He might not be powerful after all....He allows His creation, His prophet to reign supreme over Him for thousands of years....

[Ali Imran]

Yes..Jesus was no ordinary man no ordinary God.
The fact that Allah cannot bring down Christianity as the global number 1 just show that He might not be powerful after all....He allows His creation, His prophet to reign supreme over Him for thousands of years....

The data shows Christianity is dying.

[Ali Imran]

That is why it is put to a debate and vote in that council ..we need to solidify the beliefs!

Even today, the arguments of the Christians who reject the Trinity still stands. The Unitarian church still standing strong.

[pinkpanther]

All the verses you can bring to me are all ambiguous. I can counter-argue them and I have done so many times.

I'm curious. You can certainly counter the Old Testament if you wish, but it doesn't make much sense to argue against the New Testament since it's not one of the four books you're required to believe. Why spend time debating the New Testament?

[pinkpanther]

Even today, the arguments of the Christians who reject the Trinity still stands. The Unitarian church still standing strong.

We do not identify Unitarians as Christians...

[Ali Imran]

We do not identify Unitarians as Christians...

That's a No True Scotsman fallacy.

Christians are followers of Christ. The Unitarians claim to be the followers of Christ.

[pinkpanther]

That's a No True Scotsman fallacy.

Christians are followers of Christ. The Unitarians claim to be the followers of Christ.

They are not considered Christians ....we call them moslems

[Ali Imran]

They are not considered Christians ....we call them moslems

They call themselves Christians, followers of Christ. 

Muslims are not followers of Christ.

Don't use a fallacy in your argument. Its foolish.

[pinkpanther]

They call themselves Christians, followers of Christ. 

Muslims are not followers of Christ.

Don't use a fallacy in your argument. Its foolish.

Since they reject Jesus as divine and they worship the Father ....are they not moslem since they submit to one God   

You pawned yourself!