[Lukongsimi]

However, many scholars, including those who study the Bible's textual history, argue that the core message and teachings of the Bible have been remarkably well preserved despite these challenges

[Lukongsimi]

Pachik said that he sometimes felt that Allah is watching him pray...he can feel Allah's presence...what do you say Lksm?

Hallucinating maybe
How he knows its his allah not jinn?

[pinkpanther]

Only the moslems said that 

Yes only moslems will say that.... 

[pinkpanther]

Hallucinating maybe
How he knows its his allah not jinn?

 you throw him back the same answer

[Lukongsimi]

 you throw him back the same answer

Yes he reap what he sows lol 😆

[pinkpanther]

Yes he reap what he sows lol 😆

Yes, how he knows it is not the devil?

[Lukongsimi]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the religious verses. For other uses, see Satanic verses (disambiguation).
The Satanic Verses are words of "satanic suggestion" which the Islamic prophet Muhammad is alleged to have mistaken for divine revelation.[1] The first use of the expression in English is attributed to Sir William Muir in 1858.[2]

The words praise the three pagan Meccan goddesses: al-Lāt, al-'Uzzá, and Manāt and can be read in early prophetic biographies of Muhammad by al-Wāqidī, Ibn Sa'd and the tafsir of al-Tabarī. Religious authorities recorded the story for the first two centuries of the Islamic era. Strong objections to the historicity of the Satanic Verses incident were, however, raised as early as the tenth century.[3] By the 13th century, most Islamic scholars (Ulama) started to reject it on the basis of it being inconsistent with the theological principle of 'iṣmat al-anbiyā (impeccability of the prophets) and the methodological principle of isnad-criticism.[1] According to some Islamic traditions, God sent Satan as a tempter to test the audience. Others categorically deny that this incident ever happened.

The incident is accepted as true by some modern scholars of Islamic studies, citing the implausibility of early Muslim biographers fabricating a story so unflattering about their prophet.[4][5] Alford T. Welch, however, argues that this rationale alone is insufficient but does not rule out the possibility of some historical foundation to the story. He proposes that the story may be yet another instance of historical telescoping, i.e., a circumstance that Muhammad's contemporaries knew to have lasted for a long period of time later became condensed into a story that limits his acceptance of the Meccan goddesses’ intercession to a brief period of time and assigns blame for this departure from strict monotheism to Satan.[6] Carl W. Ernst writes that the existence of later insertions in early Meccan Surahs indicates that the Qurʾa was revised in dialogue with its first audience, who recited these Surahs frequently in worship services and asked questions about difficult passages. Application of this principle to Surah 53 (“The Star”) leads him to the conclusion that the so-called “Satanic Verses” in all likelihood never existed as part of the Qurʾan. He argues that the literary composition of the Chapter where the verses are alleged to have been recited, is heavily focused on rejection of polytheism which makes the inclusion of the Satanic Verses quote unrealistic. Its absence from the Canonical Hadith collections supports his claim.[7] Others have suggested that the story may have been fabricated for theological reasons.[8]

Wow 😮

[pinkpanther]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the religious verses. For other uses, see Satanic verses (disambiguation).
The Satanic Verses are words of "satanic suggestion" which the Islamic prophet Muhammad is alleged to have mistaken for divine revelation.[1] The first use of the expression in English is attributed to Sir William Muir in 1858.[2]

The words praise the three pagan Meccan goddesses: al-Lāt, al-'Uzzá, and Manāt and can be read in early prophetic biographies of Muhammad by al-Wāqidī, Ibn Sa'd and the tafsir of al-Tabarī. Religious authorities recorded the story for the first two centuries of the Islamic era. Strong objections to the historicity of the Satanic Verses incident were, however, raised as early as the tenth century.[3] By the 13th century, most Islamic scholars (Ulama) started to reject it on the basis of it being inconsistent with the theological principle of 'iṣmat al-anbiyā (impeccability of the prophets) and the methodological principle of isnad-criticism.[1] According to some Islamic traditions, God sent Satan as a tempter to test the audience. Others categorically deny that this incident ever happened.

The incident is accepted as true by some modern scholars of Islamic studies, citing the implausibility of early Muslim biographers fabricating a story so unflattering about their prophet.[4][5] Alford T. Welch, however, argues that this rationale alone is insufficient but does not rule out the possibility of some historical foundation to the story. He proposes that the story may be yet another instance of historical telescoping, i.e., a circumstance that Muhammad's contemporaries knew to have lasted for a long period of time later became condensed into a story that limits his acceptance of the Meccan goddesses’ intercession to a brief period of time and assigns blame for this departure from strict monotheism to Satan.[6] Carl W. Ernst writes that the existence of later insertions in early Meccan Surahs indicates that the Qurʾa was revised in dialogue with its first audience, who recited these Surahs frequently in worship services and asked questions about difficult passages. Application of this principle to Surah 53 (“The Star”) leads him to the conclusion that the so-called “Satanic Verses” in all likelihood never existed as part of the Qurʾan. He argues that the literary composition of the Chapter where the verses are alleged to have been recited, is heavily focused on rejection of polytheism which makes the inclusion of the Satanic Verses quote unrealistic. Its absence from the Canonical Hadith collections supports his claim.[7] Others have suggested that the story may have been fabricated for theological reasons.[8]

Wow 😮

Satanic verses ! Who else?

[pinkpanther]

Yes, the Quran teaches Islam.

But Islam doesn't speak.

Genesis says that God appeared as a man and wrestled Jacob....God also appeared as a man and spoke to Abraham....Do you reject the book of Genesis which is a part of the Torah?

[Lukongsimi]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1013863477500377?fs=e&fs=e
The power of the Bible.

[Lukongsimi]

Very crowded dinner at sushi new opened shop
Here very quiet lol

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/PYw324IePHs?s...H1fS1jQU94
Blood rain in 🇮🇷

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtube.com/shorts/NiKun1RcTB0?s...LGNp-8ymHT

No joke i have been hearing the trumpet sounds daily since 2023

[Ali Imran]

Genesis says that God appeared as a man and wrestled Jacob....God also appeared as a man and spoke to Abraham....Do you reject the book of Genesis which is a part of the Torah?

1 Kings chapter 8 says the universe cannot contain God. God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind.

In Numbers 23, it says: And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, for he is not a man, that he should have regret.

In Hosea 11, it says: I will not execute my burning anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim; for I am God and not a man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath.

[Ali Imran]

The answer is simple enough, look at who is always asking the question and ask yourself does this group have a motive for asking it? The two main groups asking are atheists who don't want it to be true, so realizing the historical facts of the bible have been attacked and the bible came back clear of corruption, so changed their tactics. 

And the other major group claiming corruption is Islam. They are taught as often as possible that the bible was corrupted.


### Scholars Supporting the Reliability of the Bible

1. **William F. Albright (1891–1971)**
   - An influential biblical archaeologist who argued that many of the biblical narratives, especially the early history of Israel, are supported by archaeological evidence.

2. **Kenneth Kitchen**
   - An Egyptologist and biblical scholar who defends the historical reliability of the Old Testament, especially in relation to Egyptian and Near Eastern history.

3. **F.F. Bruce (1910–1990)**
   - A renowned biblical scholar who emphasized the historical reliability of the New Testament and the textual integrity of biblical manuscripts.

4. **N.T. Wright**
   - A contemporary New Testament scholar who affirms the historical credibility of biblical accounts, especially concerning the resurrection of Jesus.

5. **Gordon Wenham**
   - An Old Testament scholar who has written extensively on the historical reliability of biblical texts.

Did any of them say the Bible is NOT corrupted?

The answer is no.

[Ali Imran]

Allah sent Jesus to confirm the Torah and you said it was corrupted, Allah says the Injil was with the christians and they were reading it, you said they were never recorded....and now you scooped to saying that the bible has been corrupted.....

Like I said...all claims nothing much to prove!!
The Christians will never say that to the jews and moslems....can you feel the difference in class?

Who said the NT is corrupted? Bruce Metzger, a leading Christian scholar of the NT.

[Ali Imran]

When their enemies started the attack of course have to take action or else be regarded as sick cat a coward right ?

Why do the Zionists have enemies? Because they kill innocent people in order to steal their land.

Is it right for their enemies to attack them? Yes, perfectly legal for the Palestinians to attack the Zionists or shoot rockets at them in order to chase them out.

[pinkpanther]

Did any of them say the Bible is NOT corrupted?

The answer is no.

Several scholars and theologians assert that the Bible has been preserved accurately and is not corrupted. Some of the most notable include:

1. **Emanuel Tov** – A leading biblical scholar specializing in the textual criticism of the Hebrew Bible, Tov affirms that the Dead Sea Scrolls demonstrate the remarkable accuracy of the Masoretic Text and support the reliability of the biblical texts.

2. **Kenneth A. Kitchen** – An Egyptologist and biblical historian who defends the textual integrity of the Old Testament, emphasizing the consistency and reliability of the biblical manuscripts.

3. **F.F. Bruce** – A renowned biblical scholar who argued that the New Testament manuscripts are remarkably reliable and that the text we possess is close to the original autographs.

4. **Sir Frederic Kenyon** – An expert in biblical manuscript history who concluded that the textual transmission of the New Testament is exceptionally reliable, with the variations being minor and not affecting doctrine.

5. **Norman Geisler and William Nix** – Authors of *"A General Introduction to the Bible,"* who argue for the textual reliability of the biblical manuscripts and that the Bible has been preserved accurately through history.

[pinkpanther]

Who said the NT is corrupted? Bruce Metzger, a leading Christian scholar of the NT.

How can he be a leading scholar when he is died for a good 20 years...

[pinkpanther]

Who said the NT is corrupted? Bruce Metzger, a leading Christian scholar of the NT.

Some scholars have criticized Bruce Metzger for what they perceive as bias in his textual criticism of the Bible, particularly in his preference for the Alexandrian text type and his perceived negative view of the Byzantine text

You bias and the dead man also showed bias...so how to trust the 2 of you 

[pinkpanther]

Did any of them say the Bible is NOT corrupted?

The answer is no.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-corrupted.html

[pinkpanther]

1 Kings chapter 8 says the universe cannot contain God. God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind.

In Numbers 23, it says: And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, for he is not a man, that he should have regret.

In Hosea 11, it says: I will not execute my burning anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim; for I am God and not a man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath.

We must  consider what the Old Testament is really saying about God when it says He is not a human being. The point being made in Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, and Hosea 11:9 is that God does not lie. He is not fickle. His emotions do not change His eternal purposes. 

This is unlike fallen humanity, who cannot see the big picture, who often breaks promises, and whose feelings often cloud discernment. In other words, the statements that God is not a man are contrasting one aspect of God’s nature with a corresponding part of man’s. Saying, “God is not a man,” has nothing to do with whether or not God can ever exist in the flesh.

[pinkpanther]

Who said the NT is corrupted? Bruce Metzger, a leading Christian scholar of the NT.

According to Sands, Quranic interpretation is an endless task and is different for each individual. Also, the language and the type of discourse that are chosen in interpretation varies in each commentator.

Hello ...everyone claiming to speak their minds ..which one is God's words?

[pinkpanther]

Who said the NT is corrupted? Bruce Metzger, a leading Christian scholar of the NT.

every person has a different interpretation of the Quran and the Hadith. There has not been one single person with one view on Islam and it is very difficult to ask questions and receive many different answers.

 Why are there so many different views and interpretations when the Quran is supposed to be the Humans manual and guide to life. Can we believe all the Hadith we read? How do we guarantee that they are all accurate?

[pinkpanther]

No one is interested to change or corrupt the Quran because it is already a corruption of its many interpretations...

[pinkpanther]

Remember, the Christians are the ones helping the Palestinians...not you or the islamic neighbors of Palestine....if the Christians support the genocide then it is foolish to help the Palestinians....Are you in support of the genocide since you are not doing anything? Or are you a fence sitter just like the rest of the arab countries?


Here are some examples of Christian groups involved:

Humanitarian Aid and Development:
Christian Aid:

Works with Palestinian and Israeli partners to protect human rights, promote resilience, and provide humanitarian relief to Palestinian refugees.
Caritas Jerusalem:
Part of the global Caritas confederation, providing humanitarian and development programs in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Israel, and Gaza.
International Orthodox Christian Charities:
Offers humanitarian assistance like baby formula, potable water, and diapers to families affected by conflict.

CNEWA-Pontifical Mission:
Supports a network of Christian organizations providing education, healthcare, and social services in Palestine.
Embrace the Middle East:
Supports agriculture, livelihoods, healthcare, and services for older people.

Shepherd Society:
Provides financial support for basic survival needs like food, medical assistance, and education for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

UNRWA:
While not exclusively Christian, UNRWA receives significant support from Christian donors and organizations to provide essential services to Palestinian refugees.

Advocacy and Human Rights:
Kairos Palestine: A Palestinian Christian movement that advocates for justice and peace, issuing statements and engaging with international bodies.
Palestinian Christian Alliance for Peace: Works to promote peace and justice for Palestinians through education and advocacy.

CHRISTIANS FOR A FREE PALESTINE: Focuses on nonviolent resistance and solidarity with Palestinians.
Key Areas of Focus:

Humanitarian aid: Providing food, water, shelter, and medical care to those affected by conflict and displacement.
Development: Supporting sustainable livelihoods, education, and healthcare initiatives.
Advocacy: Promoting human rights, justice, and peace in the region.
These Christian groups play a vital role in supporting Palestinian communities, offering both practical assistance and a voice for justice and peace.

[Ali Imran]

Remember, the Christians are the ones helping the Palestinians...not you or the islamic neighbors of Palestine....if the Christians support the genocide then it is foolish to help the Palestinians....Are you in support of the genocide since you are not doing anything? Or are you a fence sitter just like the rest of the arab countries?


Here are some examples of Christian groups involved:

Humanitarian Aid and Development:
Christian Aid:

Works with Palestinian and Israeli partners to protect human rights, promote resilience, and provide humanitarian relief to Palestinian refugees.
Caritas Jerusalem:
Part of the global Caritas confederation, providing humanitarian and development programs in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Israel, and Gaza.
International Orthodox Christian Charities:
Offers humanitarian assistance like baby formula, potable water, and diapers to families affected by conflict.

CNEWA-Pontifical Mission:
Supports a network of Christian organizations providing education, healthcare, and social services in Palestine.
Embrace the Middle East:
Supports agriculture, livelihoods, healthcare, and services for older people.

Shepherd Society:
Provides financial support for basic survival needs like food, medical assistance, and education for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.

UNRWA:
While not exclusively Christian, UNRWA receives significant support from Christian donors and organizations to provide essential services to Palestinian refugees.

Advocacy and Human Rights:
Kairos Palestine: A Palestinian Christian movement that advocates for justice and peace, issuing statements and engaging with international bodies.
Palestinian Christian Alliance for Peace: Works to promote peace and justice for Palestinians through education and advocacy.

CHRISTIANS FOR A FREE PALESTINE: Focuses on nonviolent resistance and solidarity with Palestinians.
Key Areas of Focus:

Humanitarian aid: Providing food, water, shelter, and medical care to those affected by conflict and displacement.
Development: Supporting sustainable livelihoods, education, and healthcare initiatives.
Advocacy: Promoting human rights, justice, and peace in the region.
These Christian groups play a vital role in supporting Palestinian communities, offering both practical assistance and a voice for justice and peace.

When Muslims help Palestine, they don't make news about it. I didn't even know that there was an Indonesian hospital in Gaza until it was bombed recently by the Zionists.

[Ali Imran]

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-corrupted.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna44117239

[Ali Imran]

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-corrupted.html

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/2020...7379830000

[Ali Imran]

We must  consider what the Old Testament is really saying about God when it says He is not a human being. The point being made in Numbers 23:19, 1 Samuel 15:29, and Hosea 11:9 is that God does not lie. He is not fickle. His emotions do not change His eternal purposes. 

This is unlike fallen humanity, who cannot see the big picture, who often breaks promises, and whose feelings often cloud discernment. In other words, the statements that God is not a man are contrasting one aspect of God’s nature with a corresponding part of man’s. Saying, “God is not a man,” has nothing to do with whether or not God can ever exist in the flesh.

It is worth noting that God made it clear that God is NOT like a man who can lie, regret, or be emotional.

If God already said God is NOT a man for all those reasons, I will reject anybody telling me that a man is God.

To each his own way. I will not worship a man. You can carry on worshipping a man all you want.