Scripture readings for Christmas

(23-06-2025, 10:16 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Will the false Messiah be divine? Yes, according to your beliefs, a man is God.

According to our beliefs, a man is a man, can never be God. 

So no, the false Messiah cannot be from among the Muslims. Any man who claims to be God will automatically be labeled insane in our community.

Biblical Basis:
The term "Antichrist" appears only in the Epistles of John, where it refers to individuals who deny Christ.
Not Always a Single Person:
While sometimes envisioned as a specific individual, the concept can also represent any force or individual that opposes Christ or the Christian faith. 

Opposing Christ:
The Antichrist's primary role is to stand against Christ, attempting to usurp his position as the savior.
 
False Messiah:
A key aspect of the Antichrist is its deceptive nature, presenting itself as a savior or religious leader to lead people astray. 

Eschatological Significance:
In Christian eschatology (the study of end times), the Antichrist plays a role in the events leading up to the Second Coming of Christ.

Other Interpretations:
Some interpretations view the Antichrist as a symbolic representation of evil or the rejection of Christian values, rather than a literal person.
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(23-06-2025, 05:41 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Quran didn't say Mary is a third of the Trinity.

So who is the third person of the Trinity according to the Quran
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(23-06-2025, 12:45 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  How do you know it was Jesus?

How do you know that it was the presence of Allah when you pray?
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(23-06-2025, 06:56 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So who is the third person of the Trinity according to the Quran

The Quran didn't say who the persons of the Trinity.
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(23-06-2025, 01:12 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Ok.

A belief without evidence can still be true.

Since when you believe in the truth without evidences?
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(23-06-2025, 06:57 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  How do you know that it was the presence of Allah when you pray?

Because Allah is al-Baseer, the all-Seeing.
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(23-06-2025, 06:59 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Since when you believe in the truth without evidences?

I was just placating LKSM.
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(23-06-2025, 06:59 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Because Allah is al-Baseer, the all-Seeing.

But you are not all seeing ..how do you know it was not a Jinn?
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(23-06-2025, 07:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I was just placating LKSM.

Even your prophet believes in visions and dreams. We have Hadiths to show you that Allah can take the form of a beardless young man
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(23-06-2025, 07:04 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  But you are not all seeing ..how do you know it was not a Jinn?

I worship Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth. He alone is worthy of worship.
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(23-06-2025, 07:05 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I worship Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth. He alone is worthy of worship.

OK noted... Can Jinns be attracted to acts of worship?
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(23-06-2025, 07:04 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Even your prophet believes in visions and dreams. We have Hadiths to show you that Allah can take the form of a beardless young man

That Hadith is rejected by most scholars.

Wallahu 'alam.
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(23-06-2025, 07:08 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  OK noted... Can Jinns be attracted to acts of worship?

I don't understand the question.
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(23-06-2025, 07:09 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I don't understand the question.

When you pray..can a Jinn be curious on looker?
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(23-06-2025, 07:10 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  When you pray..can a Jinn be curious on looker?

I suppose so. Jinns could be anywhere and we don't see them.
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(23-06-2025, 07:08 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  That Hadith is rejected by most scholars.

Wallahu 'alam.

Well...it was the moslems who came up with that idea..not me
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(23-06-2025, 07:11 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I suppose so. Jinns could be anywhere and we don't see them.

So it might not be Allah's presence that you felt isnt it
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(23-06-2025, 07:13 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So it might not be Allah's presence that you felt isnt it

I don't feel anything.
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(23-06-2025, 07:14 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I don't feel anything.

So you have never felt the presence of Allah after countless of prayers isnt it
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(23-06-2025, 07:17 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So you have never felt the presence of Allah after countless of prayers isnt it

LOL

If you feel something, it is not Allah.

Allah is unlike anything.
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(23-06-2025, 07:20 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  LOL

If you feel something, it is not Allah.

Allah is unlike anything.

How do you know Allah is unlike anything when you have not felt His presence? Big Grin
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(23-06-2025, 07:23 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  How do you know Allah is unlike anything when you have not felt His presence? Big Grin

Quran 112:4
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(23-06-2025, 07:24 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Quran 112:4

So Allah does not communicate with His creations?
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(23-06-2025, 07:29 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So Allah does not communicate with His creations?

The Quran is Allah communicating with us. We we hear the recitation of the Quran, we know it is Allah speaking to us.
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(23-06-2025, 07:31 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Quran is Allah communicating with us. We we hear the recitation of the Quran, we know it is Allah speaking to us.

But the Quran can be interpreted in many versions....how do you know which way is Allah's version?
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(23-06-2025, 07:34 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  But the Quran can be interpreted in many versions....how do you know which way is Allah's version?

There is only 1 Quran, in the original language it was revealed.
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(23-06-2025, 07:37 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  There is only 1 Quran, in the original language it was revealed.

So al muhaymin means what? Guardian, witness or supreme authority?
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(23-06-2025, 07:43 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So al muhaymin means what? Guardian, witness or supreme authority?

All are acceptable.
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(23-06-2025, 07:44 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  All are acceptable.

How can the Quran be the supreme authority over the previous scriptures...that is an arrogant word to use...
I would have prefer guardian or witness
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(23-06-2025, 07:46 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  How can the Quran be the supreme authority over the previous scriptures...that is an arrogant word to use...
I would have prefer guardian or witness

Ok. If you say so. 

But yes, I also say the Quran is the authority over the Bible. As you already know, the Bible has been manipulated by men, and as such, we do not know which part is true or false. By the grace of God, He has given us the Quran, which we can be 100% sure is the verbatim word of God.
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