11-07-2025, 08:08 AM
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Scripture readings for Christmas
11-07-2025, 08:09 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:08 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Tell us where you copied it from.
Why should I
It’s enough proof
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:10 AM
(11-07-2025, 07:53 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Like I've said, feel free to disbelieve our Hadith.
You don have Muhammad's commentary of the Quran and your Hadiths came 300 yrs after Muhammad written by other men with plenty of corruption and fabrication...islam has big issue
Allah appeared to Muhammad as a young man . That Hadith is Sahih recognise by many scholars but you also claim that other scholars claim it as weak or fabricated hadiths
11-07-2025, 08:11 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:08 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: Already told u the Bible is not corrupted it’s your brain
Why u so nagging ?
You already know about the Trinity verse, which has been thrown out by most modern Bibles.
Let me show you another one. Go to Matthew 17:21. You will find it in your KJV but not in most modern Bibles.
There are plenty more.
11-07-2025, 08:12 AM
11-07-2025, 08:14 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:10 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: You don have Muhammad's commentary of the Quran and your Hadiths came 300 yrs after Muhammad written by other men with plenty of corruption and fabrication...islam has big issue
Allah appeared to Muhammad as a young man . That Hadith is Sahih recognise by many scholars but you also claim that other scholars claim it as weak or fabricated hadiths
Yes, the Hadith was written about 300 years after the prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم. However, we have the chain of narration, unbroken.
When Luke says Jesus said this or that, do you have the chain of narration?
11-07-2025, 08:15 AM
It is so cold in Malang this morning. I dare not step outside.
11-07-2025, 08:16 AM
Grandpa Ali is getting old n nagging maybe in his genes cannot blame him
He is bored with life in deserted malang with a vol to gaze
Life in sg is too exp to live n he can’t afford it
Happy with standard of living there but not happy in heart
So he bash us day n nite to live on
What a life
U better stop nagging n spewing lubbish u will sin more
Ya forgot your Koran tells u to sin in order to be forgiven
What kind of religion is that ?
He is bored with life in deserted malang with a vol to gaze
Life in sg is too exp to live n he can’t afford it
Happy with standard of living there but not happy in heart
So he bash us day n nite to live on
What a life
U better stop nagging n spewing lubbish u will sin more
Ya forgot your Koran tells u to sin in order to be forgiven
What kind of religion is that ?
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:17 AM
11-07-2025, 08:17 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:15 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: It is so cold in Malang this morning. I dare not step outside.Ya u gg to froze to a statute
Cold n boring u like it lol
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:18 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:17 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Liar.Pink showed n u forgotten
Show me where the Quran says to sin.
U better check your brain
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:20 AM
11-07-2025, 08:20 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:12 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Because you know the source is not credible. That's why you don't want us to know where you got it from.Why should I feed a lazy bum like u
Now so advance every truth will surface up with just a click
U can’t lie now
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:21 AM
11-07-2025, 08:23 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:20 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: No, Pink didn't show anything from the Quran.Why need two books ?
He quoted the Hadith, which he says is not to be trusted.
So there, you're mistaken. You're the reason why the Bible tells women not to speak.
The truth is 1 book the Bible
Same from which book it’s still Islamic religion
Unbelievable !
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:24 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:21 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: You're afraid to reveal your sources.Not afraid I don’t wish to be under the command of the devil
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:24 AM
11-07-2025, 08:25 AM
The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted
The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?
The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:26 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:24 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: Not afraid I don’t wish to be under the command of the devil
Excuses excuses.
The fact is, you copied writings from Christian sources.
I remember Pink also did the same during the early days of our discussion. I exposed the deceitfulness of the president of a seminary Pink quoted. I wonder if he still remembers.
11-07-2025, 08:27 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:24 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: How many books are there in the Bible?All in one book so it’s one book!
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:28 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:26 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Excuses excuses.U feel offended n angry why?
The fact is, you copied writings from Christian sources.
I remember Pink also did the same during the early days of our discussion. I exposed the deceitfulness of the president of a seminary Pink quoted. I wonder if he still remembers.
The truth hurts?
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:28 AM
The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted
The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?
Shiok to know the truth right?
The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?
Shiok to know the truth right?
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:30 AM
Let viewers know the truth about Islam they should be aware lol
The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted
The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?
The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted
The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:32 AM
Grandpa Ali always attack the Bible
Why can’t we know the truth about Islam ?
The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted
The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?
Why can’t we know the truth about Islam ?
The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted
The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:32 AM
11-07-2025, 08:34 AM
11-07-2025, 08:35 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:32 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: You're not able to differentiate truth from falsehood.U have a brain?
You have zero knowledge on the Quran.
The truth sets us free
Or will blindly follow wrong path! your religion
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:36 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:34 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: See? You don't even know the basics of the Bible. The NT has 27 books.I say all in 1 book doesn’t means I don’t know how many books!
Btw, it wasn't 27 books in the early days. The codex Sinaiticus NT has 29 books.
U nagging old grandpa!
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:39 AM
The old grandpa Ali likes to control n command people like he is the king
But only a poor chap living in malang
His wife I believe also can’t take it
Moslems woman usually tortured by their man!
But only a poor chap living in malang
His wife I believe also can’t take it
Moslems woman usually tortured by their man!
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
11-07-2025, 08:39 AM
(11-07-2025, 08:14 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Yes, the Hadith was written about 300 years after the prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم. However, we have the chain of narration, unbroken.
When Luke says Jesus said this or that, do you have the chain of narration?
The Hadiths are not trustworthy! If your lontong is contaminated, do you throw away or do you continue to find some uncontaminated parts and continue eating?
To understand the Quran, you need to go to the Hadiths some times..but since it is corrupted, you will never understand the Quran
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