[Ali Imran]

U have a brain?
The truth sets us free 
Or will blindly follow wrong path!

I use my brain to do my work.

Do you?

[Ali Imran]

The Hadiths are not trustworthy! If your lontong is contaminated, do you throw away or do you continue to find some uncontaminated parts and continue eating?

To understand the Quran, you need to go to the Hadiths some times..but since it is corrupted, you will never understand the Quran 

Feel free to think you know better than the Muslim scholars.

[Lukongsimi]

Poor woman


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Riyadh: Saudi Arabia today beheaded a man convicted of torturing his wife to death, in the first execution since the start of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, state media said.

Fawzi al-Khaibari had been found guilty of beating up and burning his wife with an iron before "crushing her skull" and leaving her to die, the interior ministry said in a statement carried by the official SPA news agency.

He was beheaded in the holy city of Medina, in the west of the Gulf country.

It was the first reported execution in the conservative kingdom since July 8, two days before the start of Ramadan which ended last week.

[pinkpanther]

Feel free to think you know better than the Muslim scholars.

I'm applying the same argument you used to reject the Torah.

[Lukongsimi]

I use my brain to do my work.

Do you?

Your brain old liao 
Got use?

[Lukongsimi]

The Hadiths are not trustworthy! If your lontong is contaminated, do you throw away or do you continue to find some uncontaminated parts and continue eating?

To understand the Quran, you need to go to the Hadiths some times..but since it is corrupted, you will never understand the Quran 

He don’t know what is true or false  lah 
All he knows is to keep shooting at the right path
He is born like that can’t be help lol

[Lukongsimi]

How can force people to believe their religion same like grandpa Ali ?

MP: Muslim man held for torturing Hindu wife, forcing her to adopt Islamic culture

The MP Home Minister recently said the new law would entail a maximum punishment of 10 years in jail for those convicted for marrying forcibly/fraudulently with the intention of religious conversion

[Lukongsimi]

How common is domestic violence in Islam?

A World Health Organization (WHO) study in Babol found that within the previous year 15.0% of wives had been physically abused, 42.4% had been sexually abused and 81.5% had been psychologically abused (to various degrees) by their husbands, blaming low income, young age, unemployment and low education.

[Lukongsimi]

Grandpa Ali like to attack Christians
The more he attacks
I Will find some more proofs whether their religion is of
peace
Better to know than to believe a liar like him
So better u zip your mouth show some respects n don’t be ill mannered grandpa Ali !

[Ali Imran]

I'm applying the same argument you used to reject the Torah.

I don't use my own opinion. I'm quoting Bible scholars. Right now, they are editing the Bible to correct the errors aka corruption.

So no, you cannot apply the same argument on me.

[pinkpanther]

Grandpa Ali like to attack Christians
The more he attacks
I Will find some more proofs whether their religion is of
peace
Better to know than to believe a liar like him
So better u zip your mouth show some respects n don’t be ill mannered grandpa Ali !

Yes lah...find some more proofs to show that he is on the wrong path...

[Ali Imran]

Grandpa Ali like to attack Christians
The more he attacks
I Will find some more proofs whether their religion is of
peace
Better to know than to believe a liar like him
So better u zip your mouth show some respects n don’t be ill mannered grandpa Ali !

So you don't want me to tell you about the falsehood in your faith?

Are you afraid of the truth? Didn't the Bible says the truth will set you free?

[Lukongsimi]

I don't use my own opinion. I'm quoting Bible scholars. Right now, they are editing the Bible to correct the errors aka corruption.

So no, you cannot apply the same argument on me.

The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted

The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?

[Ali Imran]

Yes lah...find some more proofs to show that he is on the wrong path...

Show me just one proof and I will renounce my faith.

Just one will do.

[Lukongsimi]

So you don't want me to tell you about the falsehood in your faith?

Are you afraid of the truth? Didn't the Bible says the truth will set you free?

The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted

The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?

[Lukongsimi]

Show me just one proof and I will renounce my faith.

Just one will do.

The Quran is not preserved and is corrupted

The famous statement and belief is that “Allah” wrote the Quran. But did Allah truly write the Quran or was it revealed to Muhammad who was incapable of writing the Quran. It was actually revealed in 7 dialects from Allah because certain tribes or groups didn’t know how to speak the other dialects. Therefore, the different lands had different preservations and memorizations of the Quran which is why after Muhammad died (which is when Qurans started being written), muslims were at disagreement and war with each other. Muslims we’re calling other muslims disbelievers because they believed in a different Quran.
If the different Qurans say the same, why would they feel the need to call other ones disbelievers.. the differences had to be great, which I have examples. But back to the history, Caliph Uthman decided out of his own will (not Allah’s or Muhammad’s order) to destroy the other Allah Given Qurans by burning them (sin) and he chose a council of muslims (some were companions of Muhammad) and re created a standardized Quran. Not the original, but his version. Remember, Muhammad told these companions different versions of the Quran so many did disagree yet we are still here to believe that there is only one Quran, when actuality, there is more than 26 Qurans in Arabic where the words are changed, which changes the meaning.
So I ask again, is the Quran today actually Allah’s word, or is it corrupted like every religion is supposedly. Let’s not forget sheep ate pages. Others were lost.
And to debunk this theory, if they memorized it perfectly, which lets say they did.. Allah sent 7 dialects. Muhammad taught different versions. If they were the same, why would one muslim feel to call others disbelievers ? Why would Uthman feel the need to make HIS OWN PERSONAL QURAN WITHOUT DIVINE REVELATION or COMMAND ?

[pinkpanther]

I don't use my own opinion. I'm quoting Bible scholars. Right now, they are editing the Bible to correct the errors aka corruption.

So no, you cannot apply the same argument on me.

Correcting mistakes means it is corrupted..do you know how silly you sound? I cannot find the word "corruption" in that whole article you sent yet we have to go by your standards and say that it is corrupted 

[Ali Imran]

Correcting mistakes means it is corrupted..do you know how silly you sound? I cannot find the word "corruption" in that whole article you sent yet we have to go by your standards and say that it is corrupted 

When they purposely changed the words of the original author to suit their own theology, we can call it corruption. The person who inserted that Trinity verse did exactly that.

[Lukongsimi]

When they purposely changed the words of the original author to suit their own theology, we can call it corruption. The person who inserted that Trinity verse did exactly that.

Quran is morally corrupt. It was made up by Mohammad to suit his desires. For eg., take a look at 33:37 in Quran. He was sexually attracted to the wife (Zaynab) of his adopted son. So he forced his adopted son to divorce her and then he married her. Later on he added 33:37 in Quran to justify his perversion. Basically Mohammad had unlimited lust for unlimited amounts of women. To justify it, he added 33:50–52 in Quran. Since last 1400 years Islamists have been using Quran only as their textbook of terror to do all their murder, rape, loot, arson and all other type of violence in every country of the world. It is definitely not a holy book, it should be called as evil quran.

[pinkpanther]

Show me just one proof and I will renounce my faith.

Just one will do.

 I already showed you many...how mạny do you want?

[Lukongsimi]

 I already showed you many...how mạny do you want?

Same like his prophet lusts for more to satisfy himself

[pinkpanther]

When they purposely changed the words of the original author to suit their own theology, we can call it corruption. The person who inserted that Trinity verse did exactly that.

Who are you to call it a corruption? We have showed you scholars from Christianity and Islam who have attested to the uncorrupted Bible ..

Well are they right or are you right? Both cannot be right?

You are more knowledgeable than the scholars, you  are higher than Allah isnt it...

[pinkpanther]

Same like his prophet lusts for more to satisfy himself

We have proven enough...he knows that Allah does not exist 

[Ali Imran]

Who are you to call it a corruption? We have showed you scholars from Christianity and Islam who have attested to the uncorrupted Bible ..

Well are they right or are you right? Both cannot be right?

You are more knowledgeable than the scholars, you  are higher than Allah isnt it...

When the Quran already say they have corrupted the scriptures, no Muslim scholars can say otherwise. 

When most Bibles have already thrown out the Trinity verse, why do you still want to deny the corruption?

[Lukongsimi]

Who are you to call it a corruption? We have showed you scholars from Christianity and Islam who have attested to the uncorrupted Bible ..

Well are they right or are you right? Both cannot be right?

You are more knowledgeable than the scholars, you  are higher than Allah isnt it...

Even Islam scholars agree that the Bible is true

[Ali Imran]

 I already showed you many...how mạny do you want?

No, you have not. 

Try one.

[Lukongsimi]

When the Quran already say they have corrupted the scriptures, no Muslim scholars can say otherwise. 

When most Bibles have already thrown out the Trinity verse, why do you still want to deny the corruption?

Quran is morally corrupt. It was made up by Mohammad to suit his desires. For eg., take a look at 33:37 in Quran. He was sexually attracted to the wife (Zaynab) of his adopted son. So he forced his adopted son to divorce her and then he married her. Later on he added 33:37 in Quran to justify his perversion. Basically Mohammad had unlimited lust for unlimited amounts of women. To justify it, he added 33:50–52 in Quran. Since last 1400 years Islamists have been using Quran only as their textbook of terror to do all their murder, rape, loot, arson and all other type of violence in every country of the world. It is definitely not a holy book, it should be called as evil quran.

[pinkpanther]

When they purposely changed the words of the original author to suit their own theology, we can call it corruption. The person who inserted that Trinity verse did exactly that.

There are 2 versions, the Greek and the Latin vulgate...the Latin manuscripts is different from the Greek does not suggest that they inserted the verses...it goes to show there might be 2 different authors...even in some early Greek manuscripts ..this was written "And there are three that bear witness in earth"

So yes...the Trinity was sort of mention

[Ali Imran]

There are 2 versions, the Greek and the Latin vulgate...the Latin manuscripts is different from the Greek does not suggest that they inserted the verses...it goes to show there might be 2 different authors...even in some early Greek manuscripts ..this was written "And there are three that bear witness in earth"

The original author wrote in Greek. Later, they translated that book into Latin.

[pinkpanther]

The original author wrote in Greek. Later, they translated that book into Latin.

Yes, it was translated differently but not entirely...
Does it comes with a footnote...yes! So what is the problem?