Scripture readings for Christmas

(11-07-2025, 03:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  There you go again, thinking that 1 Christian guy knows better than all the Muslim Quranic scholars.

I can interpret it my own, the moslem Quranic scholars can interpret their styles...but whose way is the original? Muhammad!!! Do we have his interpretations? Unfortunately No Big Grin and we cannot go to the Hadiths for answers because it is corrupted and fabricated.. Big Grin

Astaghfirullah!!
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(11-07-2025, 03:16 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  U also falsify the Bible 
Anti Christian

Show people here how I did that?
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(11-07-2025, 03:07 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  As I've shown here, Christians like Pink will lie to falsify Islam. This Christian guy is not different. He is a known anti-Islam youtuber.

Hey...I never falsify any Islamic texts OK...I'm literally providing you my most honest opinions at no cost to you OK...
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(11-07-2025, 03:21 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I can interpret it my own, the moslem Quranic scholars can interpret their styles...but whose way is the original? Muhammad!!! Do we have his interpretations? Unfortunately No Big Grin and we cannot go to the Hadiths for answers because it is corrupted and fabricated.. Big Grin

Astaghfirullah!!

Ok. That's true. You can read it on your own. 

Do read the verses Matt Slick posted and see where it says the previous scriptures before the Quran are intact. The answer is none. The Quran didn't say the previous scriptures are intact. As a matter of fact, the Quran confirms the previous scriptures have been tampered by men.

Matt Slick lied, just like you did.
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(11-07-2025, 03:21 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Show people here how I did that?

Need to show meh 
Whatever you wrote here people got eyes to read and to remember

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(11-07-2025, 03:10 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Did the original author write that Trinity verse in his book? You vehemently refused to answer that simple question. So, let me answer it for you. The answer is no, the original author of that book didn't write that Trinity verse. It was written by someone else, we don't know who, and it was added to that book.

That is a corruption of that book, pure and simple.

Like I said moons ago...the Latin manuscripts says this but the earliest Greek manuscripts do not have it...so scholars may agree that it is a later addition but definitely not a corruption....how can you say it is a corruption when a footnote was inserted to advise the readers...
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(11-07-2025, 03:23 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Hey...I never falsify any Islamic texts OK...I'm literally providing you my most honest opinions at no cost to you OK...

You lied when you said that Allah instructed our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the previous scriptures. You told that lie to give some legitimacy to your Bible.
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(11-07-2025, 03:28 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Like I said moons ago...the Latin manuscripts says this but the earliest Greek manuscripts do not have it...so scholars may agree that it is a later addition but definitely not a corruption....how can you say it is a corruption when a footnote was inserted to advise the readers...

So you agree that someone added a verse to the original. When the original has been tampered with like that, we call it a corruption, pure and simple.
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(11-07-2025, 03:26 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Need to show meh 
Whatever you wrote here people got eyes to read and to remember

You're assuming all the people here are lacking in grey matter like you.
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(11-07-2025, 03:24 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Ok. That's true. You can read it on your own

Do read the verses Matt Slick posted and see where it says the previous scriptures before the Quran are intact. The answer is none. The Quran didn't say the previous scriptures are intact. As a matter of fact, the Quran confirms the previous scriptures have been tampered by men.

Matt Slick lied, just like you did.

If I read it on my own then that is a big problem isnt it...first I need to choose which English translation..there are several and their interpretations are all different...I prefer yusof Ali and Sahih international Big Grin....

Because you don have Muhammad's commentary, you will need to read the commentaries of all the scholars like all tabari , ibn Kathir, ibn ishaq..

Then Allah says that to best understand the Quran, it is best to learn Arabic.. Big Grin

Eventually it is a waste of time because you have not gain any real knowledge..
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(11-07-2025, 03:32 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You're assuming all the people here are lacking in grey matter like you.
Your ill mannered habit again floats 
U think people here have bird brain?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(11-07-2025, 03:32 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So you agree that someone added a verse to the original. When the original has been tampered with like that, we call it a corruption, pure and simple.

Are you a scholar? How is it a corruption if a footnote is inserted?
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(11-07-2025, 03:20 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I don't mind showing it to you again, where most modern Bibles have thrown out that Trinity verse because it is a fabrication.

https://biblehub.com/1_john/5-7.htm
U show the verse but no proof which bibles deleted the verse 
useless lah

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(11-07-2025, 03:30 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You lied when you said that Allah instructed our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم to check with the previous scriptures. You told that lie to give some legitimacy to your Bible.

How is it a lie?...if Muhammad needs to check if his scriptures are in line with previous scriptures....what should he do? Check with previous scriptures!! That is the most straight forward answer!!

Because he is illiterate...he needs to ask the people of the books and how did they verify what Muhammad is saying? By checking with their own!! 

If you need to withdraw money..what should you do? The straight forward answer is to go to the ATM..even though your wife usually withdraw for you most of the time
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(11-07-2025, 03:38 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  If I read it on my own then that is a big problem isnt it...first I need to choose which English translation..there are several and their interpretations are all different...I prefer yusof Ali and Sahih international Big Grin....

Because you don have Muhammad's commentary, you will need to read the commentaries of all the scholars like all tabari , ibn Kathir, ibn ishaq..

Then Allah says that to best understand the Quran, it is best to learn Arabic.. Big Grin

Eventually it is a waste of time because you have not gain the real knowledge..
teach him his Quran he lacks the knowledge 
lol

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(11-07-2025, 03:44 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Muhammad needs to check if his scriptures are in line with previous scriptures....

That is another lie you just made.
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(11-07-2025, 03:43 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  U show the verse but no proof which bibles deleted the verse 
useless lah

You don't trust BibleHub?

They list all the Bibles on that page. Go look, and you will see that most modern Bibles have thrown out that verse.
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(11-07-2025, 03:38 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Your ill mannered habit again floats 
U think people here have bird brain?

No, I didn't say that. 

Only you.
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(11-07-2025, 03:38 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  If I read it on my own then that is a big problem isnt it...first I need to choose which English translation..there are several and their interpretations are all different...I prefer yusof Ali and Sahih international Big Grin....

Because you don have Muhammad's commentary, you will need to read the commentaries of all the scholars like all tabari , ibn Kathir, ibn ishaq..

Then Allah says that to best understand the Quran, it is best to learn Arabic.. Big Grin

Eventually it is a waste of time because you have not gain any real knowledge..

If you're too lazy to read, don't make demonstrably false comments.
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(11-07-2025, 03:46 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  That is another lie you just made.

Is he checking with previous scriptures if he ask the people of the books? Yes!!

I can't believe what islam had done to you..lol
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(11-07-2025, 03:50 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Is he checking with previous scriptures if he ask the people of the books? Yes!!

If you don't know, please refer to Quranic scholars, not dishonest Christians.
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(11-07-2025, 03:50 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If you're too lazy to read, don't make demonstrably false comments.

Not that one is too lazy to read...because you don know which direction is Muhammad way  Big Grin
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(11-07-2025, 03:48 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  You don't trust BibleHub?

They list all the Bibles on that page. Go look, and you will see that most modern Bibles have thrown out that verse.
U can’t proof it u want me to look for u?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(11-07-2025, 03:50 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Is he checking with previous scriptures if he ask the people of the books? Yes!!

I can't believe what islam had done to you..lol

Yes

Muhammad, in Islamic belief, acknowledged the earlier scriptures (Torah and Gospel) as revelations from God, and his own scripture (the Quran) is understood to confirm and clarify them.While some interpretations within Islam suggest potential corruption of the earlier scriptures, there's also the view that the Quran confirms the unchanged essence of the Torah and Gospel. The relationship is complex, with both confirmation and differing interpretations present in Islamic and Christian perspectives. 

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(11-07-2025, 03:51 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If you don't know, please refer to Quranic scholars, not dishonest Christians.

If Muhammad is in doubts and he refers to the people of the books ..... Is he checking with previous scriptures?
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(11-07-2025, 03:52 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  U can’t proof it u want me to look for u?

I'm not asking you to look for me. I already know.

Most modern Bibles have thrown out that Trinity verse.
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(11-07-2025, 03:51 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If you don't know, please refer to Quranic scholars, not dishonest Christians.

U don’t know the bible please go to any church n learn from scratch 
not spew from your own mouth all the lies

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(11-07-2025, 03:55 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  

I'm not asking you to look for me. I already know.

Most modern Bibles have thrown out that Trinity verse.
Unless u show me I don’t believe

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(11-07-2025, 03:54 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  If Muhammad is in doubts and he refers to the people of the books ..... Is he checking with previous scriptures?

What was the doubt? You said he doubted the Quran is in line with the previous scriptures, meaning he doubted Allah is telling the truth.

You're lying. So many Christians like to do what you're doing, being dishonest. That alone is a testament to the truth of Islam. You need to lie in order to find fault with Islam.
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