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(12-07-2025, 08:22 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Both are acceptable.
No.according to scholars,you are wrong .. there are plenty of errors in your English translated Quran..Allahu a'lam
https://www.justislam.co.uk/errors-engli...p-198.html
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(12-07-2025, 08:21 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: I'm saying I don't trust the OT.
Allah says men have tampered the OT, forging verses and making it look like they are from God.
Btw, it's called corruption of the scriptures.
Allah sent Jesus to confirm the truth of the Torah...is Allah sending Jesus to confirm fake scriptures
There are so many verses that Allah and Muhammad affirm the Torah...but since you said that the Torah has been tampered, then I'm asking you which parts of the Torah is corrupted..you don have the answer..why do you choose to be a disbeliever?
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(12-07-2025, 08:34 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: Allah sent Jesus to confirm the truth of the Torah...is Allah sending Jesus to confirm fake scriptures 
There are so many verses that Allah and Muhammad affirm the Torah...but since you said that the Torah has been tampered, then I'm asking you which parts of the Torah is corrupted..you don have the answer..why do you choose to be a disbeliever?
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Jewish scholars generally agree that the Torah is a well-preserved text, particularly the written Torah (the first five books of the Bible). They emphasize its preservation through meticulous copying practices and its continued use in Jewish religious life.
In the book of Jeremiah, we read of the scribes with the lying pen.
Even the Bible confirms the corruption, and the corrupted text is well-preserved.
And yes, the son of Mary pbuh confirms the Torah. Ergo, the Law remains and those who profess to be followers of Christ, ie, Christians, must keep the commandments.
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(12-07-2025, 08:28 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: No.according to scholars,you are wrong .. there are plenty of errors in your English translated Quran..Allahu a'lam
https://www.justislam.co.uk/errors-engli...p-198.html
I'm not sure who that site belongs to. But even among Muslims, some like to judge others.
Allah is the best of judges. We will let Allah be the judge on THAT DAY, of which you have some doubt.
As for that "tax/tribute" issue, both are acceptable.
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(12-07-2025, 09:21 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: In the book of Jeremiah, we read of the scribes with the lying pen.
Even the Bible confirms the corruption, and the corrupted text is well-preserved.
And yes, the son of Mary pbuh confirms the Torah. Ergo, the Law remains and those who profess to be followers of Christ, ie, Christians, must keep the commandments.
You don even understand that the verse was talking about you
Jeremiah is not saying the Bible is inherently corrupt, but that the scribes were misrepresenting God's word.
This highlights the danger of relying solely on written texts without proper understanding and interpretation. It also emphasizes the importance of discerning true wisdom from false claims of wisdom.
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(12-07-2025, 09:21 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: In the book of Jeremiah, we read of the scribes with the lying pen.
Even the Bible confirms the corruption, and the corrupted text is well-preserved.
And yes, the son of Mary pbuh confirms the Torah. Ergo, the Law remains and those who profess to be followers of Christ, ie, Christians, must keep the commandments.
This is akin to moslem scholars who interpret the Quran as they like
But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.":
This is the core of the verse. It points out that the scribes, who were responsible for copying and interpreting the scriptures,
had corrupted the text with their own interpretations and agendas.
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(12-07-2025, 09:37 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: You don even understand that the verse was talking about you
Jeremiah is not saying the Bible is inherently corrupt, but that the scribes were misrepresenting God's word.
This highlights the danger of relying solely on written texts without proper understanding and interpretation. It also emphasizes the importance of discerning true wisdom from false claims of wisdom.
I don't follow or abide by the Bible. You do.
So feel free to interpret it anyway you like. I'm not responsible for your salvation.
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(12-07-2025, 09:24 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Allah is the best of judges. We will let Allah be the judge on THAT DAY, of which you have some doubt.
You have no doubts?

you have no questions for Allah? Good! You better prepare a list of questions for Jesus just in case Islam is untrue
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(12-07-2025, 09:39 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: This is akin to moslem scholars who interpret the Quran as they like
But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.":
This is the core of the verse. It points out that the scribes, who were responsible for copying and interpreting the scriptures, had corrupted the text with their own interpretations and agendas.
So now you want to be the judge of the Muslim scholars.
Your arrogance knows no bounds.
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(12-07-2025, 09:43 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: You have no doubts?
you have no questions for Allah? Good! You better prepare a list of questions for Jesus just in case Islam is untrue 
I don't have doubts. I am not on Pascal's wager, like you.
I don't question Allah.
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(12-07-2025, 09:43 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: You have no doubts?
you have no questions for Allah? Good! You better prepare a list of questions for Jesus just in case Islam is untrue 
Jesus said Muslims like me are his brothers. I love Jesus. He is indeed a brother to me, my abang.
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(12-07-2025, 09:42 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: I don't follow or abide by the Bible. You do.
So feel free to interpret it anyway you like. I'm not responsible for your salvation.
It's God's will that you quoted me a verse to show how the moslem scholars are literally doing the wrong thing and that is misinterpreting Muhammad's real understanding of the Quran
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(12-07-2025, 09:45 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: I don't have doubts. I am not on Pascal's wager, like you.
I don't question Allah.

there is no need to question if Allah is non existence.
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(12-07-2025, 09:46 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Jesus said Muslims like me are his brothers. I love Jesus. He is indeed a brother to me, my abang.
But Muhammad cannot be a ah bang to me because he said that Allah will replace every moslem with a christian or a Jew from hell fire
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(12-07-2025, 09:55 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: But Muhammad cannot be a ah bang to me because he said that Allah will replace every moslem with a christian or a Jew from hell fire
Feel free to disbelieve the messenger صلي الله عليه وسلم.
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(12-07-2025, 09:50 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:
there is no need to question if Allah is non existence.
Feel free to disbelieve in God.
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(12-07-2025, 09:47 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: It's God's will that you quoted me a verse to show how the moslem scholars are literally doing the wrong thing and that is misinterpreting Muhammad's real understanding of the Quran
Again. Don't impose your misunderstanding on me.
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Quote:“It is not the flesh that gives a person life. It is the spirit that gives life. The words I told you are spirit, and so they give life. But some of you don’t believe.” (Jesus knew who did not believe. He knew this from the beginning. And he knew who would turn against him.) Jesus said, “That is the reason I said, ‘If the Father does not let a person come to me, then he cannot come.’””
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(12-07-2025, 09:55 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: But Muhammad cannot be a ah bang to me because he said that Allah will replace every moslem with a christian or a Jew from hell fire
Quote:The only religion that teaches hatred
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(12-07-2025, 09:59 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Feel free to disbelieve in God.
I disbelieve the existence of the Islamic God
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(12-07-2025, 10:19 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: I disbelieve the existence of the Islamic God
You disbelieve in the God of the great nation?
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(12-07-2025, 10:20 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: You disbelieve in the God of the great nation?
You mean the coward nations that sit and watch?
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(12-07-2025, 10:22 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: You mean the coward nations that sit and watch? 
They fight a mighty army with nothing but stones. You call that cowardice?
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(12-07-2025, 10:24 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: They fight a mighty army with nothing but stones. You call that cowardice?
No that is not coward...that is stupidity

And there are many just like you who would die for fun in the name of Allah and the promise Jannah
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(12-07-2025, 10:18 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: Does this look like hate to you?
https://www.charitytoday.co.uk/british-m...in-the-uk/
You base the truth on a report containing the survey of merely a thousand more moslems?
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(12-07-2025, 10:25 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: No that is not coward...that is stupidity 
Thank you for admitting you're wrong to say we are cowards.
The Muslims, a small nation, defeated two mighty empires, the Persians and the Romans, simultaneously. You call that cowardice?
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