[Ali Imran]

If Jesus denies that He is God.... Christianity will not flourish..if He is just a man, why do we always have testimonies of people witnessing Jesus and not Muhammad? Why don't we see people saying that they have visions of Muhammad?

Did Jesus deny that he is God? Yes, he did.

[pinkpanther]

So you don't know.

So you cannot say it is annual.

The stats might differ yearly but it is safe to say more than 2 million moslems left islam yearly...

[pinkpanther]

Did Jesus deny that he is God? Yes, he did.

Show me the verse

[Ali Imran]

The stats might differ yearly but it is safe to say more than 2 million moslems left islam yearly...

Why is it safe to say that? You have nothing to substantiate it.

[Ali Imran]

Show me the verse

What did Jesus say in rebuttal when the Pharisees accused him of claiming to be God?

Read John 10.

[pinkpanther]

Whose words are those? A man, right?

I can use that for the Quran .. additionally we don have evidences that the relevation is from Allah directly...the Quran is from an entity claiming to be Jibril 

[Ali Imran]

I can use that for the Quran .. additionally we don have evidences that the relevation is from Allah directly...the Quran is from an entity claiming to be Jibril 

When we use the Quran, that means it is our paradigm in which we believe the Quran is the word of God.

When we use the Bible, that means it is your paradigm in which you believe the Bible was written by men, as you already said.

[pinkpanther]

What did Jesus say in rebuttal when the Pharisees accused him of claiming to be God?

Read John 10.

John 10:30 ("I and the Father are one")

[Ali Imran]

John 10:30 ("I and the Father are one")

Does that make him God? If you say yes, then you must also include the disciples, coz Jesus included them.

[pinkpanther]

When we use the Quran, that means it is our paradigm in which we believe the Quran is the word of God.

When we use the Bible, that means it is your paradigm in which you believe the Bible was written by men, as you already said.

Men wrote the Quran...it does not matter if it is the islamic or christian paradigm....we believe our scriptures are inspired by God.

[pinkpanther]

Does that make him God? If you say yes, then you must also include the disciples, coz Jesus included them.

it equates him with God in the eyes of his listeners, who understood it as a claim to be God. ..if the pharisees think like you...they wouldn't be stoning him

[Ali Imran]

Men wrote the Quran...it does not matter if it is the islamic or christian paradigm....we believe our scriptures are inspired by God.

Yes, men who put ink to paper.

But we believe the Quran is the verbatim word of God.

You believe the books in the Bible were written by men. You said the men were inspired, but the men who wrote them never said that. What about the Trinity verse? If that is inspired by God, how come the scholars threw them out?

[Ali Imran]

it equates him with God in the eyes of his listeners, who understood it as a claim to be God. ..if the pharisees think like you...they wouldn't be stoning him

So the disciples are equal to God too?

[Ali Imran]

it equates him with God in the eyes of his listeners, who understood it as a claim to be God. ..if the pharisees think like you...they wouldn't be stoning him

If the Pharisees believe Jesus is God, would they want to stone him?

[pinkpanther]

When we use the Quran, that means it is our paradigm in which we believe the Quran is the word of God.

As I have repeatedly mentioned, if the Quran requires numerous scholars to interpret it, then it cannot be the word of God, because the divine message should be clear and consistent. Unfortunately, we do not have a commentary from Muhammad himself....

[pinkpanther]

If the Pharisees believe Jesus is God, would they want to stone him?

Yes... like you they believe that God cannot be a man!

If I claim to be Allah...will you stone mẹ?

[Ali Imran]

As I have repeatedly mentioned, if the Quran requires numerous scholars to interpret it, then it cannot be the word of God, because the divine message should be clear and consistent. Unfortunately, we do not have a commentary from Muhammad himself....

Did you make that rule yourself?

[Hope]

Thank you for agreeing that more than 2 million moslems left islam annually ...me and Lksm tried our best to drive the point to you but to no avail

It is just simple math...you do not need to be a genius to work out the answer...

The stats is from 23-24...so it is base on that particular year

When they ask the people, did they ask if they left Islam in 23-24?

If 2 millions leaves annually, How many churches should they build to accommodate those new converts in Turkey?

Turkey was once a Christian country.  what is the percentage of Christian there now ?

Followers of NT in Turkey were the ones first called Christian.

 Paul lived and buried in Turkey.

OT and NT have mentioned about Turkey .

Turkey was the birth place of Many apostles and saints.

Turkey is the home to seven churches of Asia mentioned in book of revelation.

Paul has addressed many of his letters to churches in Turkey.

Question is,

Why aren’t there Christian in Judea, the birth place of Jesus ?Do you still believe that your religion is true?

Why aren’t there Christian in Turkey, the birth place of many apostles , saint and churches?Do you still believe their writings and the religion they promoted are true?

[Ali Imran]

If I claim to be Allah...will you stone mẹ?

I'd call you mad.

[Ali Imran]

Yes... like you they believe that God cannot be a man!

Why did they believe a man is not God?

Remember, Jesus said they sit on Moses' seat.

[pinkpanther]

Did you make that rule yourself?

That is only common sense...al tabari can disagree with ibn Kathir interpretations of the Quranic verses..
So there is no clear message...Allah would made His message clear without any doubts tiok boh.

[pinkpanther]

I'd call you mad.

Why would you call me mad if I am telling you the truth? Would you like me to provide more evidences?

[Ali Imran]

That is only common sense...al tabari can disagree with ibn Kathir interpretations of the Quranic verses..
So there is no clear message...Allah would made His message clear without any doubts tiok boh.

Did the difference between the scholarly opinions cause a division in theology?

[pinkpanther]

Why did they believe a man is not God?

Remember, Jesus said they sit on Moses' seat.

Yes but Jesus also criticizes their hypocrisy, noting that they preach one thing but practice another.

[Ali Imran]

Why would you call me mad if I am telling you the truth? Would you like me to provide more evidences?

Go ahead and call yourself God. I won't argue with you.

[Ali Imran]

Yes but Jesus also criticizes their hypocrisy, noting that they preach one thing but practice another.

So when they accused Jesus of claiming to be God, we should reject their accusation, right?

[pinkpanther]

Did the difference between the scholarly opinions cause a division in theology?

Yes..besides the differences in scholars opinions...sunni and Shias also have different interpretations of certain Quranic verses and passages...

[Ali Imran]

Yes..besides the differences in scholars opinions...sunni and Shias also have different interpretations of certain Quranic verses and passages...

Only minute, like 0.001% of Shias have a different theology. Other than that, we have almost a 100% agreement on theology. We all say God is One, with no partners. We all say the Quran is the verbatim word of Allah, and preserved. We all say Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم is the messenger of Allah. We all believe in the 5 pillars of Islam and the 6 articles of faith. We all do solah the same way, fast on Ramadan, and perform Hajj together.

Now, tell me again if the differences in the scholarly interpretations cause a division in theology.

[pinkpanther]

So when they accused Jesus of claiming to be God, we should reject their accusation, right?

Jesus left the scene quickly ...I don think you have time to reject their accusation when they are stoning literally

[Ali Imran]

Jesus left the scene quickly ...I don think you have time to reject their accusation when they are stoning literally

So, are the disciples also Gods because Jesus said they are also one with Jesus and God?