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(15-07-2025, 02:55 PM)Hope Wrote: That’s why Jesus will decend to Damascus.
If He decend to Jerusalem, Jews will spit on him.
If He decend to Bethlehem, IDF will shoot him.
He can not decend to USA as God has sent Trump to make the world great again.😂
He can not go to other countries,as Christian are split into 45000 sects and disregarding his laws
Jesus will get proper respect and actual name only in Muslim land.
As a moslem, Zedallah will agree with your comments
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(15-07-2025, 04:37 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Jesus taught his followers to pray to only the Father.
You pray to two other persons as God.
Yes, Jesus taught his followers to pray to God the Father..we also do the same...you know the lord's prayer?
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(15-07-2025, 04:38 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Jesus told his followers to keep the commandments if they want salvation.
You don't keep the commandments.
Everyone tries to keep the commandments...but no one can be perfect
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“After Jesus said these things, he looked toward heaven and prayed, “Father, the time has come. Give glory to your Son so that the Son can give glory to you. You gave the Son power over all people so that he could give eternal life to all those you have given to him. And this is eternal life: that people can know you, the only true God, and that they can know Jesus Christ, the one you sent. I finished the work you gave me to do. I brought you glory on earth. And now, Father, give me glory with you. Give me the glory I had with you before the world was made. “You gave me some people from the world. I have shown them what you are like. They belonged to you, and you gave them to me. They have obeyed your teaching. Now they know that everything I have came from you. I told them the words you gave me, and they accepted them. They realized the fact that I came from you and believed that you sent me. I pray for them now. I am not praying for the people in the world. But I am praying for these people you gave me, because they are yours. All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And my glory is seen in them. “Now I am coming to you. I will not stay in the world, but these followers of mine are still in the world. Holy Father, keep them safe by the power of your name—the name you gave me. Then they will be one, just as you and I are one. While I was with them, I kept them safe by the power of your name—the name you gave me. I protected them. And only one of them was lost—the one who was sure to be lost. This was to show the truth of what the Scriptures said would happen.”
John 17:1-12 ERV
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(15-07-2025, 04:39 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: So, I've shown you two critical areas where what you believe is not what Jesus taught. So no, you don't follow Jesus but Paul. Christianity as we know it today wasn't taught by Jesus or his disciples.
Galatians 2:20 (ESV)
20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
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(15-07-2025, 05:57 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: ![[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS58ayftYWTeoknJahqHOR...Ms-f8JBw&s]](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS58ayftYWTeoknJahqHORzC73FvzMs-f8JBw&s)
the Prophet Muhammad did divorce some of his wives, though most of his marriages were to women who were either widowed or divorced themselves. One specific instance involves Hafsa bint Umar, whom he initially divorced but later took back as his wife after divine guidance. There are also accounts of him divorcing women before consummation of the marriage, sometimes due to specific circumstances or conditions
In Bible if u married a divorce spouse u are committing adultery !
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(15-07-2025, 06:34 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: These verses are easy. Don tell me you only know these verses only
Why do you use the same tactics as your friend to conceal the other verses of the Quran
Interpret this on your own
Qur'an 4:34
Qur'an 2:26
Qur'an 7:179
I'll deal with one first. We will discuss and we will go in to the next one.
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(15-07-2025, 06:48 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Galatians 2:20 (ESV)
20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Those are Paul's teachings.
So there, we can confirm that you follow the religion taught by Paul of Tarsus, not Jesus the son of Mary pbuh.
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(15-07-2025, 06:45 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Everyone tries to keep the commandments...but no one can be perfect
Do you even try? Do you still eat pork?
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(15-07-2025, 06:43 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Yes, Jesus taught his followers to pray to God the Father..we also do the same...you know the lord's prayer?
When Christians pray, do they pray to the Trinity or only to the Father?
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(15-07-2025, 06:38 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:
Are you sure?
The Ottoman Empire claimed the title of Caliphate, which is the leadership of the Muslim world, from 1517 until its abolition in 1924
If it is a just war, then killing is allowed, like if the Zionists want to steal our land, we are allowed to fight and kill them. Even secular law allows that.
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(15-07-2025, 06:59 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Do you even try? Do you still eat pork?
Try what?
It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man...you can be a vegan yet have a foul mouth!
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(15-07-2025, 07:03 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: If it is a just war, then killing is allowed, like if the Zionists want to steal our land, we are allowed to fight and kill them. Even secular law allows that.
Where can i find the rules of engagement from the Quran!
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(15-07-2025, 07:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: When Christians pray, do they pray to the Trinity or only to the Father?
We pray to the Father usually and recognize Jesus and the Holy Spirit as equally God...
it's also acceptable to pray to Jesus or the Holy Spirit
praying to any one person of the Trinity (Father, Son, or Holy Spirit) is considered praying to the Trinity as a whole, because they are one God.
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(15-07-2025, 07:12 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: We pray to the Father usually and recognize Jesus and the Holy Spirit as equally God...
it's also acceptable to pray to Jesus or the Holy Spirit
praying to any one person of the Trinity (Father, Son, or Holy Spirit) is considered praying to the Trinity as a whole, because they are one God.
Ok. So Jesus didn't teach his followers to pray to a triune God.
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(15-07-2025, 07:06 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Try what?
It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man...you can be a vegan yet have a foul mouth!
The law prohibits the consumption of pork.
Do you eat pork? If you do, then you are not keeping that commandment, the easiest of them all in my opinion.
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(15-07-2025, 07:15 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: The law prohibits the consumption of pork.
Do you eat pork? If you do, then you are not keeping that commandment, the easiest of them all in my opinion.
The law also say not to consume camel meat but moslems did not keep that commandment
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(15-07-2025, 07:08 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Where can i find the rules of engagement from the Quran!
Quite a few places. One of them is 22:39 for example.
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(15-07-2025, 07:16 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: The law also say not to consume camel meat but moslems did not keep that commandment
That is Halakhah, which is more restrictive than Shariah.
Muslims follow the Shariah and in the Shariah, camel meat is allowed. Also, we can eat seafood like crabs and lobsters, which is prohibited in the Jewish law.
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(15-07-2025, 07:16 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: The law also say not to consume camel meat but moslems did not keep that commandment
So, do you eat pork?
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(15-07-2025, 07:13 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Ok. So Jesus didn't teach his followers to pray to a triune God.
If the Father say that He is God, should we not pray to Him
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(15-07-2025, 07:21 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: So, do you eat pork?
Yes, it is a source of protein
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(15-07-2025, 07:31 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: If the Father say that He is God, should we not pray to Him
We are talking about the teachings of Jesus. So Jesus taught his followers to pray to a unitarian God, not a trinitarian God. Ergo, you're not following the teachings of Jesus.
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(15-07-2025, 07:31 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Yes, it is a source of protein
Therefore, you're not following the religion of Jesus, pbuh.
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(15-07-2025, 07:34 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Therefore, you're not following the religion of Jesus, pbuh.
Where did Jesus say in the NT under a new convenant that pork is prohibited .
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(15-07-2025, 07:33 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: We are talking about the teachings of Jesus. So Jesus taught his followers to pray to a unitarian God, not a trinitarian God. Ergo, you're not following the teachings of Jesus.
How can you be a Unitarian when God the Father explicitly call Jesus your Lord Ở God
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(15-07-2025, 07:36 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Where did Jesus say in the NT under a new convenant that pork is prohibited .
Did Jesus say he didn't abolish the Law?
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(15-07-2025, 07:37 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: How can you be a Unitarian when God the Father explicitly call Jesus your Lord Ở God
Did the Father say He alone is God and besides Him there is no other? The answer is yes. The Father made that clear, with absolutely zero ambiguity.
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(15-07-2025, 07:38 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Did Jesus say he didn't abolish the Law?
No He came to fulfill them...and thus ushering the new convenant under Him
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(15-07-2025, 07:42 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: No He came to fulfill them...and thus ushering the new convenant under Him
Did you read your Bible properly?
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. - Matthew 5