Scripture readings for Christmas

(20-07-2025, 08:30 AM)Hope Wrote:  As per both ,No more resurrection ?

No more...the earth is full of people who are resurrected!
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(20-07-2025, 08:28 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Luke is writing the life and teachings of Jesus..he is a detective and he mentions relying on "those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word" (Luke 1:2), suggesting he sought out and incorporated firsthand accounts.

Yes, that's what Luke wrote.

Remember the key phrase in the Quranic verse you quoted. "..what Allah revealed therein".
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(20-07-2025, 08:32 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So does this impact the authenticity of the books?

Surely it does.

Have you heard of the Chinese whispers?
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(20-07-2025, 08:00 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Quran 5:47

وَلْيَحْكُمْ أَهْلُ ٱلْإِنجِيلِ بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ فِيهِ ۚ وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ فَأُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْفَـٰسِقُونَ ٤٧

So let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the rebellious

If you go to this tafsir ...you will have a headache reading the commentaries..

https://quranx.com/tafsirs/5.47

Don’t read 5:47 out of context.you should read 5:43 to 48 to understand the meaning 



“But why do they come to you for judgment when they ˹already˺ have the Torah containing Allah’s judgment, then they turn away after all? They are not ˹true˺ believers.


Indeed, We revealed the Torah, containing guidance and light, by which the prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah, made judgments for Jews. So too did the rabbis and scholars judge according to Allah’s Book, with which they were entrusted and of which they were made keepers. So do not fear the people; fear Me! Nor trade my revelations for a fleeting gain. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the disbelievers.

We ordained for them in the Torah, “A life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth—and for wounds equal retaliation.” But whoever waives it charitably, it will be atonement for them. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the wrongdoers.

Then in the footsteps of the prophets, We sent Jesus, son of Mary, confirming the Torah revealed before him. And We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light and confirming what was revealed in the Torah—a guide and a lesson to the God-fearing.

So let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the rebellious.

We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.”Quran 5:43-48
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(20-07-2025, 08:33 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  No more...the earth is full of people who are resurrected!

Are we already resurrected?😂

It means Hinduism and Buddhism are true?
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(20-07-2025, 08:34 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Yes, that's what Luke wrote.

Remember the key phrase in the Quranic verse you quoted. "..what Allah revealed therein".

Like I said..what Allah revealed can be found in Luke's book...not all of Jesus's speech but some!
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(20-07-2025, 08:38 AM)Hope Wrote:  Are we already resurrected?😂

No ...the ressurection will be one messy event!
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(20-07-2025, 08:36 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Surely it does.

Have you heard of the Chinese whispers?

Sorry to disappoint you...the gospel were indeed based on a period of oral transmission before being written down.
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(20-07-2025, 08:42 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Sorry to disappoint you...the gospel were indeed based on a period of oral transmission before being written down.

I've shown you the differences in the words attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of Mark, and later in the Gospel of Matthew.

Can we determine which Gospel is accurate?
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(20-07-2025, 08:47 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I've shown you the differences in the words attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of Mark, and later in the Gospel of Matthew.

Can we determine which Gospel is accurate?

All are reliable
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(20-07-2025, 08:38 AM)Hope Wrote:  Are we already resurrected?😂

It means Hinduism and Buddhism are true?

How to resurrect when we are not dead...
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(20-07-2025, 08:37 AM)Hope Wrote:  Don’t read 5:47 out of context.you should read 5:43 to 48 to understand the meaning 



“But why do they come to you for judgment when they ˹already˺ have the Torah containing Allah’s judgment, then they turn away after all? They are not ˹true˺ believers.


Indeed, We revealed the Torah, containing guidance and light, by which the prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah, made judgments for Jews. So too did the rabbis and scholars judge according to Allah’s Book, with which they were entrusted and of which they were made keepers. So do not fear the people; fear Me! Nor trade my revelations for a fleeting gain. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the disbelievers.

We ordained for them in the Torah, “A life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth—and for wounds equal retaliation.” But whoever waives it charitably, it will be atonement for them. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the wrongdoers.

Then in the footsteps of the prophets, We sent Jesus, son of Mary, confirming the Torah revealed before him. And We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light and confirming what was revealed in the Torah—a guide and a lesson to the God-fearing.

So let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the rebellious.

We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.”Quran 5:43-48

Thank you...all of these show us that the Torah and the Gospel were good during Muhammad's time...
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(20-07-2025, 08:21 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Exactly what is in the Quran.

What exactly does the verse says?
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(20-07-2025, 08:52 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  All are reliable

The differences mean the Chinese whisper came into play.
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(20-07-2025, 09:07 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  What exactly does the verse says?

Among other things, the Quran instructs us to seek guidance in what Allah has revealed.
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https://youtu.be/XCfYCm4V3UE?si=L2pIJ9YzXlYl_0b0
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(20-07-2025, 09:15 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Among other things, the Quran instructs us to seek guidance in what Allah has revealed.

If the Injil was corrupted, why would Allah direct the Christians to the injil for judgement? Thinking

Explanation:
"Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein":

This part of the verse directs Christians to base their judgments and decisions on the teachings and commandments found within the Gospel, which is believed to be the scripture revealed to Jesus.

"And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient":

This part of the verse clarifies that those who reject the divine law revealed in the Gospel, and instead judge by other means, are considered transgressors or disobedient to God.
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(20-07-2025, 09:10 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The differences mean the Chinese whisper came into play.

it is just a myth
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(20-07-2025, 07:01 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Bible says the entire universe cannot contain God, but you believe God resides in a human body.

How come?
God is a spirit can lah
Nothing is impossible with God
He even wrestled with Jacob and renamed him as Israel
God also talked to Moses in mount sinai
Understand ?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 08:55 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  How to resurrect when we are not dead...
She means she resurrected from her sleep every morning lah lol

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 08:47 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  I've shown you the differences in the words attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of Mark, and later in the Gospel of Matthew.

Can we determine which Gospel is accurate?

What is the use of finding faults with the gospel and u are not born again 
Jesus said nobody can enter the kingdom of God unless u are reborn of water and spirit

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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Elak again ? Lol

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 09:36 AM)Hope Wrote:  https://youtu.be/XCfYCm4V3UE?si=L2pIJ9YzXlYl_0b0

Good vs evil 
The good sacrifices the evil kills

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(19-07-2025, 09:09 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I wouldn't want to be in his shoes... Big Grin

Only tee kor type likes n believe can get foc 72 v 
Everyday in heaven play hide n seek with them can u believe it?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 05:37 AM)Hope Wrote:  https://youtu.be/PvTzvf58xBI?si=8IU0nAmHztJDoeAB


Paul invented Christianity

It's believed that the people of Antioch, a diverse city, used this term to distinguish the followers of Jesus from other groups. 

Jesus called his followers My sheep

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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https://youtu.be/UwxBgwQQl1E?si=ZY52TqLwz4Aw3QW0

Before Jesus coming on the clouds to rapture His people 
A great earthquake will shook the whole earth 
Now many countries are experiencing earthquakes since 28 March 2025


The Bible describes several significant earthquakes, with the greatest one occurring in the Book of Revelation. This earthquake, following the seventh bowl judgment, is depicted as unprecedented in its magnitude and destructive power, causing the division of a great city, the collapse of nations' cities, and other cataclysmic events. Other notable earthquakes mentioned include one during the reign of King Uzziah of Judah (Amos 1:1) and one associated with Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection (Matthew 27:51-52, Matthew 28:2).

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 11:01 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  It's believed that the people of Antioch, a diverse city, used this term to distinguish the followers of Jesus from other groups. 

Jesus called his followers My sheep

Did Jesus call his followers Christian?
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(20-07-2025, 11:24 AM)Hope Wrote:  Jesus didn’t called his followers Christian

Jesus Also never called them moslems

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 11:11 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  https://youtu.be/UwxBgwQQl1E?si=ZY52TqLwz4Aw3QW0

Before Jesus coming on the clouds to rapture His people 
A great earthquake will shook the whole earth 
Now many countries are experiencing earthquakes since 28 March 2025


The Bible describes several significant earthquakes, with the greatest one occurring in the Book of Revelation. This earthquake, following the seventh bowl judgment, is depicted as unprecedented in its magnitude and destructive power, causing the division of a great city, the collapse of nations' cities, and other cataclysmic events. Other notable earthquakes mentioned include one during the reign of King Uzziah of Judah (Amos 1:1) and one associated with Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection (Matthew 27:51-52, Matthew 28:2).
When does he come?
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(20-07-2025, 10:51 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Only tee kor type likes n believe can get foc 72 v 
Everyday in heaven play hide n seek with them can u believe it?

Every day, the thought of 72 virgins can drive our friend mad... eventually, he’ll beg Allah to put an end to it.

 But Allah smiles sheepishly and responds, “This is just the beginning,” and then bestows another 72 virgins. Our friend here slowly swallows his saliva, hesitantly replies, “Thank you, Allah,” and then, agonisingly, watches as the 144 virgins rush toward him. Big Grin

You can hear a soft murmur from him:" pls..not again!"
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