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(20-07-2025, 07:27 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  So is Muhammad a loser?
Because in a Hadith by Ibn Tamiyya Sahih graded...it is reported that Muhammad saw Allah in a form of a young man...

Not only that Muhammad believes in visions and dreams

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Yes, Muhammad believed in the significance of dreams and visions, considering them a form of divine communication and a part of prophecy. He is said to have experienced prophetic dreams and visions, particularly in the period leading up to his first revelation. Muslims also believe that dreams can be a way for God to guide individuals and that pious dreams are considered a part of prophecy.

We can use your standard.

If the dream is in line with the Quran and the Sunnah, we can accept it.

If the dream contradicts the Quran and the Sunnah, we can reject it.
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(20-07-2025, 07:29 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  According to the Bible, around 80 people saw God. Prominent amongst them was: Jacob - “Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”” (Gen 32:30) Moses - “The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend” (Ex 33:11)

Then we have another contradiction because other verses in the Bible say no one can see God or has seen God.
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(20-07-2025, 07:25 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  By your standard, if the encounter doesn't affirm the teachings of Jesus, it must be the devil. 

If a Muslim, after encountering an entity claiming to be Jesus, believes God is more than 1 person, it cannot be Jesus because Jesus said God is 1 person.

For us, it is very clear. Jesus is part of the trinity..
For you moslems, Jesus says God is one..

If Jesus appears in their dreams then it is clear evidences that Jesus is triune....
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(20-07-2025, 07:35 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  For us, it is very clear. Jesus is part of the trinity..
For you moslems, Jesus says God is one..

If Jesus appears in their dreams then it is clear evidences that Jesus is triune....

According to the Gospel, Jesus said the true God is only 1 person. 

How come you don't believe that?
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(20-07-2025, 07:31 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  We can use your standard.

If the dream is in line with the Quran and the Sunnah, we can accept it.

If the dream contradicts the Quran and the Sunnah, we can reject it.

Sure you can use  what is taught in the your Quran as a guide to tell if the dreams are infact good...
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(20-07-2025, 07:04 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  The Quran is just words that you think came from Allah....there is no proof because it is an entity claiming to be Jibril who is teaching Muhammad the Quran..Can it be the devil? I don know!

God did not reveal the revelation to Muhammad directly..this is for sure!

Moslems have seen Jesus, many have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit...these are evidences being presented in your face...but you chose to ignore and believe something that is far fetched


Waraqah ibn Nawfal was a Christian Arabian ascetic is revered in Islamic tradition for being one of the first hanifs to believe in the prophecy of Muhammad
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(20-07-2025, 07:39 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Sure you can use  what is taught in the your Quran as a guide to tell if the dreams are infact good...

So, if the dream leads one to believe God is more than 1 person, it has to be from the devil.
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(20-07-2025, 07:37 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  According to the Gospel, Jesus said the true God is only 1 person. 

How come you don't believe that?

He was praying to his Father....he was having a communion...
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(20-07-2025, 07:20 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Millions of them saw Jesus
How come no one saw your Allah or muh?

Because we don’t have imaginary pictures like you 
Inherited from Roman?

Who are those artists?
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(20-07-2025, 07:40 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So, if the dream leads one to believe God is more than 1 person, it has to be from the devil.

Yes.. according to your beliefs..you can say it is the devil .. but will this devil tells the non believers to seek shelter in a church where they can find food and safety?
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(20-07-2025, 07:27 PM)Ipinkpanther Wrote:  So is Muhammad a loser?
Because in a Hadith by Ibn Tamiyya Sahih graded...it is reported that Muhammad saw Allah in a form of a young man...

Not only that Muhammad believes in visions and dreams

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Yes, Muhammad believed in the significance of dreams and visions, considering them a form of divine communication and a part of prophecy. He is said to have experienced prophetic dreams and visions, particularly in the period leading up to his first revelation. Muslims also believe that dreams can be a way for God to guide individuals and that pious dreams are considered a part of prophecy.

Where is the Hadith?


https://youtu.be/0vz3t2dOHzY?si=m7pRVZvLfIs-hnIS
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(20-07-2025, 07:31 PM)Hope Wrote:  There is a gap of 600 years between Christianity and Islam. However another 60 years time Islam will take over including your children and grandchildren ✌️


I have been posting no of Quran verses. If Quran was copied from bible, you should post similar verses from bible. 

Muslim fast for 30 days. Have we copied it from the bible?

Muslim don’t eat pork. Have we copied it from the bible?

Muslim women cover their whole body. Have we copied it from the bible?

Muslim can go to any mosque regardless of race, tribe, language, colour, nationality and etc. Have we copied it from the bible?


Muslim get circumcised. Have we copied it from bible?

We wash after defecating. Have you copied it from bible.

We can give thousands of examples. Quran was not copied from the bible.
Keep dreaming 
Jesus will come back n Destroy all anti Christ
Most Koran verses are in the Bible go n study it first bef commenting 
Why claim Isaiah 42 is your muh that is another example

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 07:29 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  According to the Bible, around 80 people saw God. Prominent amongst them was: Jacob - “Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”” (Gen 32:30) Moses - “The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend” (Ex 33:11)

(20-07-2025, 07:34 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Then we have another contradiction because other verses in the Bible say no one can see God or has seen God.

As per Bible, Jacob has fought with his God.Very funny.

Quran also has the story of Jacob. Never mentioned that he fought with God.
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(20-07-2025, 06:42 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes they affirm that the only true God is 1 person existing in 3 co-equals...

If Jesus is what they vision, then it is obvious that the triune God is true...because moslems or non believers do not believe that Jesus is God!

Have you seen Jesus in your dreams?
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(20-07-2025, 07:57 PM)Hope Wrote:  As per Bible, Jacob has fought with his God.Very funny.

Quran also has the story of Jacob. Never mentioned that he fought with God.

Because your Koran doesn’t publish the truth lol

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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Who is the anti Christ?

the Antichrist will rise as the Mahdi of Islam and will unite the Christian world with him via the false prophet and create a global Islamic religion. The Bible tells us that this end time religion will be forced upon people or they will be killed if they refuse. The Muslim prophecies tell us that the Muslims will kill any who won't convert to Islam.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 07:31 PM)Hope Wrote:  There is a gap of 600 years between Christianity and Islam. However another 60 years time Islam will take over including your children and grandchildren ✌️


I have been posting no of Quran verses. If Quran was copied from bible, you should post similar verses from bible. 

Muslim fast for 30 days. Have we copied it from the bible?

Muslim don’t eat pork. Have we copied it from the bible?

Muslim women cover their whole body. Have we copied it from the bible?

Muslim can go to any mosque regardless of race, tribe, language, colour, nationality and etc. Have we copied it from the bible?


Muslim get circumcised. Have we copied it from bible?

We wash after defecating. Have you copied it from bible.

We can give thousands of examples. Quran was not copied from the bible.

(20-07-2025, 07:56 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Keep dreaming 
Jesus will come back n Destroy all anti Christ
Most Koran verses are in the Bible go n study it first bef commenting 
Why claim Isaiah 42 is your muh that is another example

Jesus will destroy the cross only .

Jesus Was a Muslim. He will live as a Muslim.

He will not destroy Islam.
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(20-07-2025, 08:04 PM)Hope Wrote:  Jesus will destroy the cross only .

Jesus Was a Muslim. He will live as a Muslim.

He will not destroy Islam.
Your isa is not the same as Jesus in the Bible

2 Timothy 1:7:
"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind

Your religion is by force and threatening the unbelievers to trick them into Islam
Islam came after Christianity and manipulated the
Bible causing some to convert to Islam

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 08:02 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Who is the anti Christ?

the Antichrist will rise as the Mahdi of Islam and will unite the Christian world with him via the false prophet and create a global Islamic religion. The Bible tells us that this end time religion will be forced upon people or they will be killed if they refuse. The Muslim prophecies tell us that the Muslims will kill any who won't convert to Islam.

Where did you learn this?

From pink panther?

From those Christian YouTubers? 

From David wood , Sam shamoun and other Christian apologists?

We didn’t know that Mahdi is going to unite the 45000 Christian factions .Very interesting.

Will those unite with Mahdi and 45000 Christian sects?

Donald Trump is trying to unite Jews , Christian and Muslim with Abraham accords.He could be the Mahdi then?
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(20-07-2025, 07:52 PM)Hope Wrote:  Where is the Hadith?


https://youtu.be/0vz3t2dOHzY?si=m7pRVZvLfIs-hnIS

But look what hadith is authentic according to Ahmad b. Hanbal and Ibn Taymiyya:

"I saw my Lord in the form of a young man, beardless (amrad) with short curly hair (ja'd) and clothed in a red garment."

Narrated by Ahmad b.Hanbal in Tabarani; authenticated by Ahmed b. Hanbal in Creed 3 citing isnad, 'Abd al-Samad b.Yahya in Tabaqat al-Hanabila, 1:218, al-Marrudhi (d.888) in Tabaqat, 3:81, Ibn 'Aqil in Makdisi, Ibn 'Aqil, 130; Ibn 'Adi al-Qattan, al-Kamil fi du'afa' al-rijal, 3:49-50; al-Daraqutni, Kitab al-Ru'ya, 332-333; 356-357; al-Tabarani, al-Mu'jam al-Kabir, 25:143;
Sahih by Abu l-Hasan b. Bashshar in Ibn Abi Ya'la, Tabaqat, 2:59; Abu Ya'la, al-Muta'mad, 85: accepted by Ibn Taymiyya in Bayan Tablis al-Jahmiyyah, 7:192-198, 290
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(20-07-2025, 07:59 PM)Hope Wrote:  Have you seen Jesus in your dreams?

No..many others have
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(20-07-2025, 07:57 PM)Hope Wrote:  As per Bible, Jacob has fought with his God.Very funny.

Quran also has the story of Jacob. Never mentioned that he fought with God.

Your muh not funny?
Tell people go bite your father hot dog in the mosque ?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 08:10 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  But look what hadith is authentic according to Ahmad b. Hanbal and Ibn Taymiyya:

"I saw my Lord in the form of a young man, beardless (amrad) with short curly hair (ja'd) and clothed in a red garment."

Narrated by Ahmad b.Hanbal in Tabarani; authenticated by Ahmed b. Hanbal in Creed 3 citing isnad, 'Abd al-Samad b.Yahya in Tabaqat al-Hanabila, 1:218, al-Marrudhi (d.888) in Tabaqat, 3:81, Ibn 'Aqil in Makdisi, Ibn 'Aqil, 130; Ibn 'Adi al-Qattan, al-Kamil fi du'afa' al-rijal, 3:49-50; al-Daraqutni, Kitab al-Ru'ya, 332-333; 356-357; al-Tabarani, al-Mu'jam al-Kabir, 25:143;
Sahih by Abu l-Hasan b. Bashshar in Ibn Abi Ya'la, Tabaqat, 2:59; Abu Ya'la, al-Muta'mad, 85: accepted by Ibn Taymiyya in Bayan Tablis al-Jahmiyyah, 7:192-198, 290

God wears Red garment very strange?
Never heard of

In Hindu tradition, several goddesses are often depicted wearing red, symbolizing strength, power, and auspiciousness. Notably, Durga, Kali, and Lakshmi, as well as some forms of Parvati, are frequently portrayed in red attire. Additionally, Ares, the Greek god of war, is sometimes associated with red due to its connection to blood and battle.

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 07:41 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  He was praying to his Father....he was having a communion...

So, when Jesus was praying to the Father, the true God is only 1 person. Did God change into 3 persons when Jesus wasn't praying?
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(20-07-2025, 08:09 PM)Hope Wrote:  Where did you learn this?

From pink panther?

From those Christian YouTubers? 

From David wood , Sam shamoun and other Christian apologists?

We didn’t know that Mahdi is going to unite the 45000 Christian factions .Very interesting.

Will those unite with Mahdi and 45000 Christian sects?

Donald Trump is trying to unite Jews , Christian and Muslim with Abraham accords.He could be the Mahdi then?
Use your brain loh
Search lah
Now with fast tech u can’t trick us to believe your lies

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 07:45 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes.. according to your beliefs..you can say it is the devil .. but will this devil tells the non believers to seek shelter in a church where they can find food and safety?

The devil will tell you all sorts of things in order to lead you to break the most important commandment.
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(20-07-2025, 07:57 PM)Hope Wrote:  As per Bible, Jacob has fought with his God.Very funny.

Quran also has the story of Jacob. Never mentioned that he fought with God.

Your Hadith is more funny

Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 963
'Utayy ibn Damura said, "I saw with Ubay a man who was attributing himself (in lineage) with an attribution of Jahiliyyah, so Ubay told him to bite his father's male organ and did not speak figuratively (i.e. was explicit). So his companions looked at him. He said, 'It appears that you disapprove of it.' Then he said, 'I will never show apprehension to anyone with regards to this. Verily, I heard the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, "Whomever attributes himself (in lineage) with an attribution of Jahiliyyah, then tell him to bite his father's male organ and do not speak figuratively (i.e. be explicit)." ' "
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(20-07-2025, 08:21 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  So, when Jesus was praying to the Father, the true God is only 1 person. Did God change into 3 persons when Jesus wasn't praying?

When Jesus prayed to the Father all 3 gather together as 1 powerful almighty God the creator 
Even the earth trembles and shook 
Thunder roars lightning strikes

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-07-2025, 08:23 PM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The devil will tell you all sorts of things in order to lead you to break the most important commandment.

yeah I believe the devil is Jibril
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How come only the Christians get vision, dreams n revelation from God but the moslems get kosong ?

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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