[Ali Imran]

Yes...we are to judge them by the "fruit test"

Galatians 5:22-23 lists the fruit of the Spirit as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. These qualities should be evident in the lives of those who are truly following God. 

Do you believe Muhammad fulfill the fruit test?
Or do you think he fulfilled Galatians 1:8?

Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you

How come obedience to the law is not mentioned there?

[Ali Imran]

You don own a phone? Your desktop also cannot see?

Phone or PC, both cannot see.

[Ali Imran]

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. - John 14

How come most Christians I've spoken to don't pay attention or remember the things Jesus said according to the Gospels. Most of the time, they will quote Paul instead of Jesus.

Often, it is I who will remind you of the teachings of Jesus, in my debate here. It seems I know more of Jesus's teachings than both of you.

[cheekopekman]

The Book of Acts is also known as the Acts of the Holy Spirit and Acts of the Apostles lah! It's divided into 2 parts: 1st part Peter from Acts chapters 1 to 12 and 2nd part from 13 to 26 lah! Saul was blinded by a light from heaven and saw the risen Jesus and was converted to Paul lah!

[pinkpanther]

How come obedience to the law is not mentioned there?

Does Muhammad obey the law? He had 11 while the rest can only have 4

[pinkpanther]

Phone or PC, both cannot see.

You software expert...cannot solve the problem?

[Ali Imran]

You software expert...cannot solve the problem?

Can't be bothered. Not important to me.

[pinkpanther]

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. - John 14

How come most Christians I've spoken to don't pay attention or remember the things Jesus said according to the Gospels. Most of the time, they will quote Paul instead of Jesus.

Often, it is I who will remind you of the teachings of Jesus, in my debate here. It seems I know more of Jesus's teachings than both of you.

Let us begin, then, by checking out what He said ten verses earlier in the same chapter:

“Jesus answered, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.’’

Clearly, He states three things.

It is only through Him and through Him alone that anybody can find their way to God the Father.

He calls God His Father; and so Jesus calls Himself the Son of God.

Those who know Him know the Father, and those who see Him have seen the Father.

How many Moslems believe any of these things? If anyone disbelieves the words of Jesus Christ here, what is the logic of going ten verses further down to find a tenuous thread with which to tie the prophet of Islam to the Bible?

[Ali Imran]

Does Muhammad obey the law? He had 11 while the rest can only have 4

Why don't you address the question instead of doing your usual elak?

How come obedience to the law is not the foremost fruit?

[pinkpanther]

Can't be bothered. Not important to me.

  what a beast!

[pinkpanther]

Why don't you address the question instead of doing your usual elak?

How come obedience to the law is not the foremost fruit?

How do I know?

[Ali Imran]

Let us begin, then, by checking out what He said ten verses earlier in the same chapter:

“Jesus answered, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.’’

Clearly, He states three things.

It is only through Him and through Him alone that anybody can find their way to God the Father.

He calls God His Father; and so Jesus calls Himself the Son of God.

Those who know Him know the Father, and those who see Him have seen the Father.

How many Moslems believe any of these things? If anyone disbelieves the words of Jesus Christ here, what is the logic of going ten verses further down to find a tenuous thread with which to tie the prophet of Islam to the Bible?

I believe 100% Jesus is the way to God for his followers.

Calling God Father is not wise because of the implication. You can lose reverence for God by calling God father, a term which you also use for mere humans like your own father and even priests.

Those who have seen Jesus has seen the father, that's metaphorical.

So, how come you don't remember that Jesus said the true God is only 1 person? How come you don't remember that Jesus said to obey the commandment? These are critical points. How come the Holy Spirit didn't remind you of these critical points?

[Ali Imran]

How do I know?

Jesus said that if the Israelites don't obey God, the kingdom will be taken away from them and given to another nation that will produce the fruits. Evidently, the fruit is obedience to God.

[pinkpanther]

Jesus said that if the Israelites don't obey God, the kingdom will be taken away from them and given to another nation that will produce the fruits. Evidently, the fruit is obedience to God.

Was it stated? Don anyhow add!

[pinkpanther]

I believe 100% Jesus is the way to God for his followers.

Calling God Father is not wise because of the implication. You can lose reverence for God by calling God father, a term which you also use for mere humans like your own father and even priests.

Those who have seen Jesus has seen the father, that's metaphorical.

So, how come you don't remember that Jesus said the true God is only 1 person? How come you don't remember that Jesus said to obey the commandment? These are critical points. How come the Holy Spirit didn't remind you of these critical points?

Moses is the first person in Scripture to call God “Father.”  Allah is no Father in any sense..you can only have a master and slave kind of relationship ..

[Ali Imran]

Was it stated? Don anyhow add!

Yes, the parable given tells us how the tenants were ungrateful. That's disobedience.

[Ali Imran]

Moses is the first person in Scripture to call God “Father.”  Allah is no Father in any sense..you can only have a master and slave kind of relationship ..

Doesn't matter. 

The point remains. Allah is not a father. A priest is your father. Your father is your father. In Indonesia, every elderly man is a father.

[pinkpanther]

Doesn't matter. 

The point remains. Allah is not a father. A priest is your father. Your father is your father. In Indonesia, every elderly man is a father.

It does matter.

The point remains. Jesus frequently referred to God as "Father" and taught his disciples to do the same.

In the Old Testament, God establishes a special covenant relationship with Israel, often referring to them as his "son" and himself as their "Father". 

So.. is the Islamic God the same God of the Jews and the Christians? No! I believe He is a lesser God 

A compassionate, loving God does not demand a master-servant dynamic.

[pinkpanther]

Yes, the parable given tells us how the tenants were ungrateful. That's disobedience.

Yes.. that is disobedience!

[pinkpanther]

Even the once-doubting Sir Lionel Luckhoo, identified by the Guinness Book of World Records as the most successful attorney in the world, was forced to conclude after an exhaustive analysis of the evidence, “I say unequivocally that the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt

[Lukongsimi]

The Holy Spirit was already around when Jesus spoke about the one to come after him.

You are wrong 

The Holy Spirit came after Jesus went home to heaven 
“On the day of Pentecost all the Lord's followers were together in one place. Suddenly there was a noise from heaven like the sound of a mighty wind! It filled the house where they were meeting. Then they saw what looked like fiery tongues moving in all directions, and a tongue came and settled on each person there. The Holy Spirit took control of everyone, and they began speaking whatever languages the Spirit let them speak. Many religious Jews from every country in the world were living in Jerusalem. And when they heard this noise, a crowd gathered. But they were surprised, because they were hearing everything in their own languages. They were excited and amazed, and said: Don't all these who are speaking come from Galilee? Then why do we hear them speaking our very own languages? Some of us are from Parthia, Media, and Elam. Others are from Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus, Asia, Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt, parts of Libya near Cyrene, Rome, Crete, and Arabia. Some of us were born Jews, and others of us have chosen to be Jews. Yet we all hear them using our own languages to tell the wonderful things God has done.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭11‬ ‭CEV

[Lukongsimi]

the Holy Spirit came after Jesus. Specifically, the Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples on the day of Pentecost, which occurred 50 days after Jesus' resurrection and 10 days after his ascension into heaven. This event fulfilled Jesus' promise to send the Holy Spirit as a helper and guide to his followers. 

[Ali Imran]

It does matter.

The point remains. Jesus frequently referred to God as "Father" and taught his disciples to do the same.

In the Old Testament, God establishes a special covenant relationship with Israel, often referring to them as his "son" and himself as their "Father". 

So.. is the Islamic God the same God of the Jews and the Christians? No! I believe He is a lesser God 

A compassionate, loving God does not demand a master-servant dynamic.

If you listen to the prophets, including Jesus, you would know that there is only 1 God. The early Christians held the same view as you, that Jesus is a lesser God. If you believe in the Shema, there is no such thing as a lesser God. There is only 1 true God.

Jesus is a servant of God.

[Ali Imran]

the Holy Spirit came after Jesus. Specifically, the Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples on the day of Pentecost, which occurred 50 days after Jesus' resurrection and 10 days after his ascension into heaven. This event fulfilled Jesus' promise to send the Holy Spirit as a helper and guide to his followers. 

Don't you believe the Holy Spirit is also God? 

Wasn't it around all the time?

[Lukongsimi]

Don't you believe the Holy Spirit is also God? 

Wasn't it around all the time?

The Holy Spirit was with Jesus not in the disciples whom Jesus
 promised to send 
Jesus has to leave before the Holy Spirit can come upon the believers

[Lukongsimi]

If you listen to the prophets, including Jesus, you would know that there is only 1 God. The early Christians held the same view as you, that Jesus is a lesser God. If you believe in the Shema, there is no such thing as a lesser God. There is only 1 true God.

Jesus is a servant of God.

We humans also have trinity 
 Body soul and spirit 
We were created in the image of God

[pinkpanther]

If you listen to the prophets, including Jesus, you would know that there is only 1 God. The early Christians held the same view as you, that Jesus is a lesser God. If you believe in the Shema, there is no such thing as a lesser God. There is only 1 true God.

Jesus is a servant of God.

We are talking about God being a Father but now you shifted the goal post .

Never mind 
Who says God is not one?  Christianity is a monotheistic religion...

[Ali Imran]

We are talking about God being a Father but now you shifted the goal post .

Never mind 
Who says God is not one?  Christianity is a monotheistic religion...

I already rested the case about this "Father" thingy. We don't call God "Father" for the reasons I've given earlier. Doing so will anthropomorphize God and to us, that is belittling God.

You then brought in this "lesser God" notion, which was suggested by early Christians. Nay, there is only 1 true God. 

Christians say they believe in 1 God but in actual fact, they believe in 3 Gods.

[Ali Imran]

We humans also have trinity 
 Body soul and spirit 
We were created in the image of God

The soul is spirit.

[Ali Imran]

Even the once-doubting Sir Lionel Luckhoo, identified by the Guinness Book of World Records as the most successful attorney in the world, was forced to conclude after an exhaustive analysis of the evidence, “I say unequivocally that the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt

Fyi

Do you know that the Gospel of Mark doesn't have the resurrection narrative?