[pinkpanther]

Yes, that's what I said. Feel free to criticise the opinions of the 2 scholars.

What is there to criticise? They only translated word for word or are they guilty of adding words to the Quran?

[Ali Imran]

Can't you use some common sense? Muhammad advised against imitating what Christians do when they celebrate Jesus's birthday! 

Sahih Muslim, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:

"Whoever imitates a people is one of them."
(Sahih Muslim, Book 24, Hadith 5277)

This Hadith is often understood to mean that Muslims should avoid imitating the customs and practices of non-Muslim communities in ways that alter Islamic identity

So are the moslems who celebrated his birthday one with the christians?

There you go again thinking you know better than our Muslim scholars.

When you are gonna see your arrogance?

And no, we don't have Christmas trees and give presents. On the Prophet's صلي الله عليه وسلم birthday, we worship Allah.

[Ali Imran]

What is there to criticise? They only translated word for word or are they guilty of adding words to the Quran?

Why do you like to make claims without knowledge? They didn't translate word for word.  They gave their opinion of that verse.

[pinkpanther]

There you go again thinking you know better than our Muslim scholars.

When you are gonna see your arrogance?

And no, we don't have Christmas trees and give presents. On the Prophet's صلي الله عليه وسلم birthday, we worship Allah.

In summary, according to the Hadith, Muhammad was opposing the way Christians celebrate Jesus's birthday....would it be a contradiction if the moslems celebrate Muhammad's birthday?..think!!

[pinkpanther]

Why do you like to make claims without knowledge? They didn't translate word for word.  They gave their opinion of that verse.

This is a English translated Quran by Hilali khan....why are they interpreting as if it is the tafsir? Are they not suppose to translate word for word? 

Unbelievable!!

[pinkpanther]

Why do you like to make claims without knowledge? They didn't translate word for word.  They gave their opinion of that verse.

I think you are still clueless .
According to Quran 4:157..these are the ovarious English versions..these are not tafsirs!No one gives a damn about their opinions

https://myislam.org/surah-an-nisa/ayat-157/

[Ali Imran]

This is a English translated Quran by Hilali khan....why are they interpreting as if it is the tafsir? Are they not suppose to translate word for word? 

Unbelievable!!

So now you want our scholars to listen to you and follow your way?

[Ali Imran]

I think you are still clueless .
According to Quran 4:157..these are the ovarious English versions..these are not tafsirs!No one gives a damn about their opinions

https://myislam.org/surah-an-nisa/ayat-157/

The clueless one is you.

Those are the renderings of that verse into English. It is up to the scholars how they want to render it.

[Ali Imran]

In summary, according to the Hadith, Muhammad was opposing the way Christians celebrate Jesus's birthday

Which Hadith says that?

[pinkpanther]

The clueless one is you.

Those are the renderings of that verse into English. It is up to the scholars how they want to render it.

These are the accepted English translated versions like yusuf Ali, Sahih international and Hilali khan...
Many of these English translated versions are similar with the exception of Hilali khan slightly off....but the core is still the same....

This is not a tafsir that they can suka suka interpret...

[pinkpanther]

Which Hadith says that?

Sahih Muslim, Book 24, Hadith 5277

[Ali Imran]

Sahih Muslim, Book 24, Hadith 5277

That hadith is different. It doesn't talk about birthdays

[Ali Imran]

These are the accepted English translated versions like yusuf Ali, Sahih international and Hilali khan...
Many of these English translated versions are similar with the exception of Hilali khan slightly off....but the core is still the same....

This is not a tafsir that they can suka suka interpret...

So now you want to put rules on how our scholars write?

[pinkpanther]

That hadith is different. It doesn't talk about birthdays

Are you sleeping in class? I don think you attend any religious class..your understanding is lacking!

"Whoever imitates a people is one of them"

The prohibition applies primarily to imitating actions that are specific to a non-Muslim group, particularly if they are acts of worship or customs that contradict Islamic teachings. For example, adopting a specific style of dress or celebrating a non-Islamic holiday just because it's associated with a particular group would be discouraged.

[pinkpanther]

So now you want to put rules on how our scholars write?

If there were rules, they would have been established a long time ago. Since when do translators have the right to voice their opinions on the translated scripts?

[pinkpanther]

Which is correct?

I believe you both don’t understand the meaning these verses.

Both are correct . No contradiction

[pinkpanther]

Prophet Isaiah is not mentioned in Quran. How can we take his prophecies?

Ask Zed, the surfer dude from Malang...
He likes to quote Isaiah from the Bible to justify the arrival of Muhammad 

And yes, you should not take his prophecies because the book of Isaiah is not part of the Torah and Allah commands you to believe in His 4 Islamic books only

He is a kufir if he believes in the book of Isaiah

[Lukongsimi]

In John 11:41-42, Jesus thanks God for answering his prayer before raising Lazarus from the dead, not because he was thanking God in advance for the miracle, but because he was acknowledging that God had already heard and would act on his request. This highlights Jesus's faith and the close relationship he shared with the Father, demonstrating that the miracle was a result of their divine collaboration

[Lukongsimi]

Ask Zed, the surfer dude from Malang...
He likes to quote Isaiah from the Bible to justify the arrival of Muhammad 

And yes, you should not take his prophecies because the book of Isaiah is not part of the Torah and Allah commands you to believe in His 4 Islamic books only

He is a kufir if he believes in the book of Isaiah

Eg 
Other bank account money also belongs to him 
even he has no name in it.lol

[pinkpanther]

Eg 
Other bank account money also belongs to him 
even he has no name in it.lol

He believes every thing is his...$100 notes he takes, 10 cents coins he throw

[pinkpanther]

Which is correct?

I believe you both don’t understand the meaning these verses.

Can Jinn go to heaven? The answer is yes according to the Quran...are they going to be resurrected on judgement day? If they also go to heaven, the place will be filled with monsters and people isnt it...

Imagine your best friend in heaven is an ugly looking pontianak..lol

Allah also allows disbelievers like the jews, Hindus, taoists, buddists and christians to go to heaven base on their deeds and not solely on their faith right?

[pinkpanther]

Which is correct?

I believe you both don’t understand the meaning these verses.

Enjoyment and Blessings:

Muslims in Paradise will enjoy the blessings of Paradise and be able to focus on their desires and the pleasure of being in the presence of Allah. 

Jesus' teachings emphasize a life of self-denial and following God's will rather than indulging in selfish desires and worldly pleasures

So Allah allows moslems to be sinful in heaven?

[pinkpanther]

Feel free to criticize the opinion of Hilal and Khan.

But don't say the Quran says that.

Basically this is the Quran...you can read the whole Quran in Hilali / khan version and you will definitely read this as below

And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (i.e. Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)

[pinkpanther]

Let us look at the other English translation of the Quran..and if my memory served me right..Hope said that Jesus is not alive and he might just be right!

Tell me if Allah is merciful to a sinless Jesus?

Literal

When God said: "You Jesus I am, I am making you die and raising you to Me and purifying you from those who disbelieved, and making those who followed you above those who disbelieved to the Resurrection Day,

Shakira

And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection

Khalifa

Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection

Maulana Ali

When Allah said: O Jesus, I will cause thee to die and exalt thee in My presence and clear thee of those who disbelieve and make those who follow thee above those who disbelieve to the day of Resurrection

Free minds

God said: "O Jesus, I will let you die, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who rejected until the Day of Resurrection;

Asad
.
Lo! God said: "O Jesus! Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto Me, and cleanse thee of [the presence of] those who are bent on denying the truth; and I shall place those who follow thee [far] above those who are bent on denying the truth, unto the Day of Resurrection

[Lukongsimi]

Enjoyment and Blessings:

Muslims in Paradise will enjoy the blessings of Paradise and be able to focus on their desires and the pleasure of being in the presence of Allah. 

Jesus' teachings emphasize a life of self-denial and following God's will rather than indulging in selfish desires and worldly pleasures

So Allah allows moslems to be sinful in heaven?

No answer ?
They don’t know lol

[Ali Imran]

Do you wear this to the mosque?
I think this kind of baju is abit out of date..

That is a Malay ceremonial dress. No, I don't wear that daily.

That dress comes in many colors, and you can see Malays wearing it on Hari Raya.

[Ali Imran]

Ask Zed, the surfer dude from Malang...
He likes to quote Isaiah from the Bible to justify the arrival of Muhammad 

And yes, you should not take his prophecies because the book of Isaiah is not part of the Torah and Allah commands you to believe in His 4 Islamic books only

He is a kufir if he believes in the book of Isaiah

That's false. I don't do that.

Isaiah 42 has a prophecy, and you're obliged to believe in that book. That's the only reason why we were discussing Isaiah 42.

I don't need the Bible to justify my faith. Most Muslims have never opened the Bible.

[Lukongsimi]

That's false. I don't do that.

Isaiah 42 has a prophecy, and you're obliged to believe in that book. That's the only reason why we were discussing Isaiah 42.

I don't need the Bible to justify my faith. Most Muslims have never opened the Bible.

Funny 
Why discuss the Bible since u say it’s corrupted ?
And u never open the Bible ?
Eg u hoping to open the durian and find banana inside?

[Lukongsimi]

That is a Malay ceremonial dress. No, I don't wear that daily.

That dress comes in many colors, and you can see Malays wearing it on Hari Raya.

I saw Malay man wearing it during their wedding 
Hari raya no.
Pachik in sg liao ?

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/HccZyaTdQnk?si=3zAyrA6bQdJlabJk