[Ali Imran]

Technically he is the grandfather of israelites!

He is the grandfather, not technically.

So, is he technically the son of Jacob? The answer you're looking for is no, he is not technically the son of Jacob ergo he is not an Israelite.

[Lukongsimi]

Show me 1 mistake I've made. Just one will do.

You made a simple mistake, and when I corrected it, LKSM called me a liar. So your simple mistake resulted in LKSM accusing me of lying. So if you're honorable, you should correct LKSM and admit your mistake. I don't care about your apology.

U unsuited us in many ways n  u didn’t apologize 
N expect us to apologize to u for defending ourselves ?
U are a bully !

[Lukongsimi]

So you're saying technically Isaac is a son of Jacob?

Cannot blame u for  having a square brain can’t think out of box!

[Ali Imran]

U unsuited us in many ways n  u didn’t apologize 
N expect us to apologize to u for defending ourselves ?
U are a bully !

Good morning to you too.

I'm sorry that you feel bullied.

[Lukongsimi]

Good morning to you too.

I'm sorry that you feel bullied.

What u mean u sorry that I feel bullied ?

[Ali Imran]

What u mean u sorry that I feel bullied ?

Because it wasn't my intention to bully both of you. So I am sorry you feel bullied.

[Lukongsimi]

Because it wasn't my intention to bully both of you. So I am sorry you feel bullied.

So u mean u still can continue  bully since it’s not your intention. ?

[Ali Imran]

So u mean u still can continue  bully since it’s not your intention. ?

I am participating in a forum. I didn't start this thread to bully both of you.

[pinkpanther]

He is the grandfather, not technically.

So, is he technically the son of Jacob? The answer you're looking for is no, he is not technically the son of Jacob ergo he is not an Israelite.

Isaac was technically a Jew!

Descendant of Abraham:

Isaac is the son of Abraham, who is considered the first Jew in the Jewish tradition. 

[Ali Imran]

Isaac was technically a Jew!

Descendant of Abraham:

Isaac is the son of Abraham, who is considered the first Jew in the Jewish tradition. 

An Israelite means, in Hebrew, 'bani Israel', meaning children of Israel aka Jacob.

So, if you want to insist that Isaac was an Israelite, meaning he was the son of Jacob, I will not argue with you.

[Lukongsimi]

I am participating in a forum. I didn't start this thread to bully both of you.

But u use this thread to attack us
Cos your book told u to hate Christians n kill every Jews 
And condemn the Bible as corrupted n use the scholars as your amour!
Are these good teachings ?

[Lukongsimi]

An Israelite means, in Hebrew, 'bani Israel', meaning children of Israel aka Jacob.

So, if you want to insist that Isaac was an Israelite, meaning he was the son of Jacob, I will not argue with you.

He was the Father of Jacob and considered as an Israelites too 
Included in  the blessings from God
Means chosen !

[Ali Imran]

Cos your book told u to hate Christians n kill every Jews 

Stop lying.

[Ali Imran]

He was the Father of Jacob and considered as an Israelites too 
Included in  the blessings from God
Means chosen !

So the father of Jacob is also the child of Jacob?

[Lukongsimi]

So the father of Jacob is also the child of Jacob?

Same blood and lineage !

[Lukongsimi]

Stop lying.

Whenever u refuse to accept the truth which have been posted here in black n white for so many times  u call us liars 
Ok can’t blame u 
U r weak !

[Lukongsimi]

To Kill and To Die In The Name of Allah
The following are news items quoted from newspapers in the last few years.
October 19, 1994
 " A powerful bomb, apparently placed by Islamic militants opposed to the Arab-Israeli peace negotiations, blew up a crowded bus during the morning rush hour in the heart of Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 22 people and wounding 48."
July 18, 1995
 " A huge bomb exploded destroying a seven-story downtown building housing two Jewish groups in Buenos Aires, Argentina.  At least 26 people were killed and 127 injured."
February 26, 1993
 " A tremendous underground explosion believed to be caused by a bomb, shook the 110 story twin towers of Manhattan�s World Trade Center, in New York, killing at least five people, injuring more than 1000, and sending tens of thousands of workers fleeing for their lives down crowded smoke-filled stairs."
May 4, 1992
 " 13 Egyptian Christians were shot dead by Muslim fundamentalists in Mansheit Nasser, Egypt.  Ten Christian farmers were ambushed and murdered while working in their fields.  A Christian teacher was shot in the local school while teaching a class of ten-year olds.  A Christian doctor was shot dead outside his home."
 These are just a few samples out of thousands of terrorist attacks, which all have one element in common:  They were all committed by Muslim fundamentalists.  While there are extremists in other groups, who are capable of committing acts of violence, it seems that violence committed by Muslim extremists exceeds the violence of all other groups combined.
WHY DO MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISTS ACT THIS WAY?
 Are Muslim fundamentalists inherently inhumane, savage and evil?  Of course not.  Muslims are ordinary people, just like anybody else.  They are fathers, brothers and sons.  They could be doctors, engineers and lawyers.  They are your co-workers, and your next door neighbors.
 So what goes on in their minds when they act violently?  To understand this one must understand an important and dangerous Islamic teaching called "Jihad", ( or Holy War).
 It is important to understand that not every Arab is a Muslim, not every Muslim is an Arab, and not every Muslim is a fundamentalist.  We are not trying to attack a religion.  We are only exposing a teaching in a religion that could have a serious effect on all society.
 It is also important to know that in exercising Jihad, Muslim fundamentalists may not think they are trying to maliciously hurt others, but rather they are only obeying God�s commandments.  And in doing so, they are assuring themselves a place in Paradise.
JIHAD ( Holy War)
Jihad is one of the most sacred duties Muslims perform.  The word "Jihad", is an Arabic word which means "struggle".  In this sense Jihad is the struggle for the cause of spreading Islam, using all means available to Muslims, including violence.  This kind of Jihad is often referred to as " Holy War".
 In resorting to violence, Muslims will not have any problem finding passages in the Quran ( believed by Muslims to be Allah�s word), and the Hadith (Mohammed�s sayings as recorded by Al Bukhari), that will not only condone violence, but will also demand it.
JIHAD IN THE "QURAN".
 Allah orders Muslims in the Quran to terrorize non-Muslims on His behalf.
 "Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies."
 Surah 8:60
 Fight (kill) them (non-Muslims), and God will punish, (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame." Surah 9:14
 " I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.  It is not ye who slew them; it was God."
Surah 8:13-17.
JIHAD IN THE "HADITH".
 In the Hadith Mohammed also urges Muslims to practice Jihad.
 Mohammed was once asked: what is the best deed for the Muslim next to believing in Allah and His Apostle?  His answer was : " To participate in Jihad in Allah�s cause. " Al Bukhari vol 1:25.
 Mohammed was quoted as saying:  "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah."
Al Bukhari vol 4:196.
 Mohammed also said;  "The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah�s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed).  Al Bukhari vol 1:35

MOHAMMED: AN EXAMPLE
 When the prophet of Islam started preaching his new religion in Mecca, he was conciliatory to Christians and Jews.  He told them, "We believe in what has been sent down to us and sent down to you, our God is the same as your God. "Surah 29:45.  This attitude changed completely after he gained strength.  Allah then tells him to
"Fight People of the Book (Christians and Jews), who do not accept the religion of the truth (Islam), until they pay tribute (penalty tax) by hand, being inferior." Surah 9:29.
 Regarding Christians and Jews, it seems that Mohammed hated the Jews more.  During his lifetime, Mohammed devoted much of his efforts to get rid of the Jews:  "You (Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His apostle, and I want to expel from this land ( the Arabian Peninsula), so, if anyone owns property, he is permitted to sell it".  Mohammed was quoted.
 At that time there were in Medina three Jewish tribes.  Two of them, the Qaynqa and the Bani-al-Nudair tribes, were besieged by Mohammed�s men, blocking their access to food supplies, until they surrendered on Mohammed�s terms, which were that their lives would be spared, that they must emigrate from Medina, and that they must deposit all their belongings at a certain place for distribution among Muslims.
 The third tribe, Bani Quayza, was not as lucky.  After the war of the trench, in which Mohammed was besieged by the Qurayshites led, by Abu Sofyan, it was alleged that Bani Qurayza agreed to provide help from within to Abu Sofyan�s forces.  Although the alleged help did not materialize and the siege eventually ended, nevertheless, Mohammed never forgave them for their willingness to help his enemies.
 Muslims turned against Bani Qurayza and blocked their streets for twenty five days.
 The Jewish tribe expressed readiness to accept the surrender terms which had been conceded to the other two Jewish tribes, namely cession of their belongings and departure with safe conduct.
 Mohammed, however, would not consent to this, and instead appointed as an arbiter Saad iben Moaz, a man who was known to be on bad terms with Bani Qurayza.  Saad ruled that all Bani Qurayza�s men should be beheaded, that the women and children should be sold as slaves, and that all their property should be divided among the Muslims.
 Trenches were dug in the bazaar of Medina for disposal of the nine hundred Jewish bodies whom Mohammed had spent the night slaughtering. (See Ibn Hisham: The Propeht�s Biography: vol 2 pages 40&41.)
Pachik read above we didn’t lie

[Ali Imran]

Same blood and lineage !

The answer is no, Isaac is not the child of Israel therefore Isaac is not a 'bani Israel'.

[Ali Imran]

Whenever u refuse to accept the truth which have been posted here in black n white for so many times  u call us liars 
Ok can’t blame u 
U r weak !

You're a liar when you said we are told to hate Christians and kill every Jew.

[Ali Imran]

To Kill and To Die In The Name of Allah
The following are news items quoted from newspapers in the last few years.
October 19, 1994
 " A powerful bomb, apparently placed by Islamic militants opposed to the Arab-Israeli peace negotiations, blew up a crowded bus during the morning rush hour in the heart of Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 22 people and wounding 48."
July 18, 1995
 " A huge bomb exploded destroying a seven-story downtown building housing two Jewish groups in Buenos Aires, Argentina.  At least 26 people were killed and 127 injured."
February 26, 1993
 " A tremendous underground explosion believed to be caused by a bomb, shook the 110 story twin towers of Manhattan�s World Trade Center, in New York, killing at least five people, injuring more than 1000, and sending tens of thousands of workers fleeing for their lives down crowded smoke-filled stairs."
May 4, 1992
 " 13 Egyptian Christians were shot dead by Muslim fundamentalists in Mansheit Nasser, Egypt.  Ten Christian farmers were ambushed and murdered while working in their fields.  A Christian teacher was shot in the local school while teaching a class of ten-year olds.  A Christian doctor was shot dead outside his home."
 These are just a few samples out of thousands of terrorist attacks, which all have one element in common:  They were all committed by Muslim fundamentalists.  While there are extremists in other groups, who are capable of committing acts of violence, it seems that violence committed by Muslim extremists exceeds the violence of all other groups combined.
WHY DO MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISTS ACT THIS WAY?
 Are Muslim fundamentalists inherently inhumane, savage and evil?  Of course not.  Muslims are ordinary people, just like anybody else.  They are fathers, brothers and sons.  They could be doctors, engineers and lawyers.  They are your co-workers, and your next door neighbors.
 So what goes on in their minds when they act violently?  To understand this one must understand an important and dangerous Islamic teaching called "Jihad", ( or Holy War).
 It is important to understand that not every Arab is a Muslim, not every Muslim is an Arab, and not every Muslim is a fundamentalist.  We are not trying to attack a religion.  We are only exposing a teaching in a religion that could have a serious effect on all society.
 It is also important to know that in exercising Jihad, Muslim fundamentalists may not think they are trying to maliciously hurt others, but rather they are only obeying God�s commandments.  And in doing so, they are assuring themselves a place in Paradise.
JIHAD ( Holy War)
Jihad is one of the most sacred duties Muslims perform.  The word "Jihad", is an Arabic word which means "struggle".  In this sense Jihad is the struggle for the cause of spreading Islam, using all means available to Muslims, including violence.  This kind of Jihad is often referred to as " Holy War".
 In resorting to violence, Muslims will not have any problem finding passages in the Quran ( believed by Muslims to be Allah�s word), and the Hadith (Mohammed�s sayings as recorded by Al Bukhari), that will not only condone violence, but will also demand it.
JIHAD IN THE "QURAN".
 Allah orders Muslims in the Quran to terrorize non-Muslims on His behalf.
 "Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies."
 Surah 8:60
 Fight (kill) them (non-Muslims), and God will punish, (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame." Surah 9:14
 " I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.  It is not ye who slew them; it was God."
Surah 8:13-17.
JIHAD IN THE "HADITH".
 In the Hadith Mohammed also urges Muslims to practice Jihad.
 Mohammed was once asked: what is the best deed for the Muslim next to believing in Allah and His Apostle?  His answer was : " To participate in Jihad in Allah�s cause. " Al Bukhari vol 1:25.
 Mohammed was quoted as saying:  "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah."
Al Bukhari vol 4:196.
 Mohammed also said;  "The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah�s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed).  Al Bukhari vol 1:35

MOHAMMED: AN EXAMPLE
 When the prophet of Islam started preaching his new religion in Mecca, he was conciliatory to Christians and Jews.  He told them, "We believe in what has been sent down to us and sent down to you, our God is the same as your God. "Surah 29:45.  This attitude changed completely after he gained strength.  Allah then tells him to
"Fight People of the Book (Christians and Jews), who do not accept the religion of the truth (Islam), until they pay tribute (penalty tax) by hand, being inferior." Surah 9:29.
 Regarding Christians and Jews, it seems that Mohammed hated the Jews more.  During his lifetime, Mohammed devoted much of his efforts to get rid of the Jews:  "You (Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His apostle, and I want to expel from this land ( the Arabian Peninsula), so, if anyone owns property, he is permitted to sell it".  Mohammed was quoted.
 At that time there were in Medina three Jewish tribes.  Two of them, the Qaynqa and the Bani-al-Nudair tribes, were besieged by Mohammed�s men, blocking their access to food supplies, until they surrendered on Mohammed�s terms, which were that their lives would be spared, that they must emigrate from Medina, and that they must deposit all their belongings at a certain place for distribution among Muslims.
 The third tribe, Bani Quayza, was not as lucky.  After the war of the trench, in which Mohammed was besieged by the Qurayshites led, by Abu Sofyan, it was alleged that Bani Qurayza agreed to provide help from within to Abu Sofyan�s forces.  Although the alleged help did not materialize and the siege eventually ended, nevertheless, Mohammed never forgave them for their willingness to help his enemies.
 Muslims turned against Bani Qurayza and blocked their streets for twenty five days.
 The Jewish tribe expressed readiness to accept the surrender terms which had been conceded to the other two Jewish tribes, namely cession of their belongings and departure with safe conduct.
 Mohammed, however, would not consent to this, and instead appointed as an arbiter Saad iben Moaz, a man who was known to be on bad terms with Bani Qurayza.  Saad ruled that all Bani Qurayza�s men should be beheaded, that the women and children should be sold as slaves, and that all their property should be divided among the Muslims.
 Trenches were dug in the bazaar of Medina for disposal of the nine hundred Jewish bodies whom Mohammed had spent the night slaughtering. (See Ibn Hisham: The Propeht�s Biography: vol 2 pages 40&41.)
Pachik read above we didn’t lie

You copied that from somewhere without knowing that you have been taken for a ride.

[Lukongsimi]

You're a liar when you said we are told to hate Christians and kill every Jew.

To Kill and To Die In The Name of Allah
The following are news items quoted from newspapers in the last few years.
October 19, 1994
 " A powerful bomb, apparently placed by Islamic militants opposed to the Arab-Israeli peace negotiations, blew up a crowded bus during the morning rush hour in the heart of Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 22 people and wounding 48."
July 18, 1995
 " A huge bomb exploded destroying a seven-story downtown building housing two Jewish groups in Buenos Aires, Argentina.  At least 26 people were killed and 127 injured."
February 26, 1993
 " A tremendous underground explosion believed to be caused by a bomb, shook the 110 story twin towers of Manhattan�s World Trade Center, in New York, killing at least five people, injuring more than 1000, and sending tens of thousands of workers fleeing for their lives down crowded smoke-filled stairs."
May 4, 1992
 " 13 Egyptian Christians were shot dead by Muslim fundamentalists in Mansheit Nasser, Egypt.  Ten Christian farmers were ambushed and murdered while working in their fields.  A Christian teacher was shot in the local school while teaching a class of ten-year olds.  A Christian doctor was shot dead outside his home."
 These are just a few samples out of thousands of terrorist attacks, which all have one element in common:  They were all committed by Muslim fundamentalists.  While there are extremists in other groups, who are capable of committing acts of violence, it seems that violence committed by Muslim extremists exceeds the violence of all other groups combined.
WHY DO MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISTS ACT THIS WAY?
 Are Muslim fundamentalists inherently inhumane, savage and evil?  Of course not.  Muslims are ordinary people, just like anybody else.  They are fathers, brothers and sons.  They could be doctors, engineers and lawyers.  They are your co-workers, and your next door neighbors.
 So what goes on in their minds when they act violently?  To understand this one must understand an important and dangerous Islamic teaching called "Jihad", ( or Holy War).
 It is important to understand that not every Arab is a Muslim, not every Muslim is an Arab, and not every Muslim is a fundamentalist.  We are not trying to attack a religion.  We are only exposing a teaching in a religion that could have a serious effect on all society.
 It is also important to know that in exercising Jihad, Muslim fundamentalists may not think they are trying to maliciously hurt others, but rather they are only obeying God�s commandments.  And in doing so, they are assuring themselves a place in Paradise.
JIHAD ( Holy War)
Jihad is one of the most sacred duties Muslims perform.  The word "Jihad", is an Arabic word which means "struggle".  In this sense Jihad is the struggle for the cause of spreading Islam, using all means available to Muslims, including violence.  This kind of Jihad is often referred to as " Holy War".
 In resorting to violence, Muslims will not have any problem finding passages in the Quran ( believed by Muslims to be Allah�s word), and the Hadith (Mohammed�s sayings as recorded by Al Bukhari), that will not only condone violence, but will also demand it.
JIHAD IN THE "QURAN".
 Allah orders Muslims in the Quran to terrorize non-Muslims on His behalf.
 "Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies."
 Surah 8:60
 Fight (kill) them (non-Muslims), and God will punish, (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame." Surah 9:14
 " I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.  It is not ye who slew them; it was God."
Surah 8:13-17.
JIHAD IN THE "HADITH".
 In the Hadith Mohammed also urges Muslims to practice Jihad.
 Mohammed was once asked: what is the best deed for the Muslim next to believing in Allah and His Apostle?  His answer was : " To participate in Jihad in Allah�s cause. " Al Bukhari vol 1:25.
 Mohammed was quoted as saying:  "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah."
Al Bukhari vol 4:196.
 Mohammed also said;  "The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah�s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed).  Al Bukhari vol 1:35

MOHAMMED: AN EXAMPLE
 When the prophet of Islam started preaching his new religion in Mecca, he was conciliatory to Christians and Jews.  He told them, "We believe in what has been sent down to us and sent down to you, our God is the same as your God. "Surah 29:45.  This attitude changed completely after he gained strength.  Allah then tells him to
"Fight People of the Book (Christians and Jews), who do not accept the religion of the truth (Islam), until they pay tribute (penalty tax) by hand, being inferior." Surah 9:29.
 Regarding Christians and Jews, it seems that Mohammed hated the Jews more.  During his lifetime, Mohammed devoted much of his efforts to get rid of the Jews:  "You (Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His apostle, and I want to expel from this land ( the Arabian Peninsula), so, if anyone owns property, he is permitted to sell it".  Mohammed was quoted.
 At that time there were in Medina three Jewish tribes.  Two of them, the Qaynqa and the Bani-al-Nudair tribes, were besieged by Mohammed�s men, blocking their access to food supplies, until they surrendered on Mohammed�s terms, which were that their lives would be spared, that they must emigrate from Medina, and that they must deposit all their belongings at a certain place for distribution among Muslims.
 The third tribe, Bani Quayza, was not as lucky.  After the war of the trench, in which Mohammed was besieged by the Qurayshites led, by Abu Sofyan, it was alleged that Bani Qurayza agreed to provide help from within to Abu Sofyan�s forces.  Although the alleged help did not materialize and the siege eventually ended, nevertheless, Mohammed never forgave them for their willingness to help his enemies.
 Muslims turned against Bani Qurayza and blocked their streets for twenty five days.
 The Jewish tribe expressed readiness to accept the surrender terms which had been conceded to the other two Jewish tribes, namely cession of their belongings and departure with safe conduct.
 Mohammed, however, would not consent to this, and instead appointed as an arbiter Saad iben Moaz, a man who was known to be on bad terms with Bani Qurayza.  Saad ruled that all Bani Qurayza�s men should be beheaded, that the women and children should be sold as slaves, and that all their property should be divided among the Muslims.
 Trenches were dug in the bazaar of Medina for disposal of the nine hundred Jewish bodies whom Mohammed had spent the night slaughtering. (See Ibn Hisham: The Propeht�s Biography: vol 2 pages 40&41.)

[Lukongsimi]

You copied that from somewhere without knowing that you have been taken for a ride.

U feel embarrassed your faith is like this lol

[pinkpanther]

An Israelite means, in Hebrew, 'bani Israel', meaning children of Israel aka Jacob.

So, if you want to insist that Isaac was an Israelite, meaning he was the son of Jacob, I will not argue with you.

Ask AI lah

Yes, Isaac is considered an Israelite. In the Hebrew Bible, Isaac is one of the patriarchs of the Israelites, the son of Abraham and Sarah. He is regarded as the second patriarch, and his descendants are traditionally considered the ancestors of the Israelites.

[Ali Imran]

U feel embarrassed your faith is like this lol

You have been fed with lies and half-truth.

And you regurgitate it here.

[Lukongsimi]

You have been fed with lies and half-truth.

And you regurgitate it here.

U choose the Broad path to destruction 
It’s not new news the whole world knows

[Ali Imran]

Ask AI lah

Yes, Isaac is considered an Israelite. In the Hebrew Bible, Isaac is one of the patriarchs of the Israelites, the son of Abraham and Sarah. He is regarded as the second patriarch, and his descendants are traditionally considered the ancestors of the Israelites.

I don't need to ask AI.

We just need to look at facts that are in the Bible.

Would you take AI over the Bible?

[Ali Imran]

U choose the Broad path to destruction 
It’s not new news the whole world knows

So stop lying about Islam.

[Lukongsimi]

Ask AI lah

Yes, Isaac is considered an Israelite. In the Hebrew Bible, Isaac is one of the patriarchs of the Israelites, the son of Abraham and Sarah. He is regarded as the second patriarch, and his descendants are traditionally considered the ancestors of the Israelites.

He thinks isacc was a gentile lol

[pinkpanther]

 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite 
 Trenches were dug in the bazaar of Medina for disposal of the nine hundred Jewish bodies whom Mohammed had spent the night slaughtering. (See Ibn Hisham: The Propeht�s Biography: vol 2 pages 40&41.)
Pachik read above we didn’t lie

I think our moslem friend might have to clarify this issue.... pls take umbrage on the author of this article..

[Ali Imran]

I think our moslem friend might have to clarify this issue.... pls take umbrage on the author of this article..

Why does it say "disposal" when it was actually a burial?