[Hope]

The Edomites, an ancient people mentioned in the Old Testament, primarily inhabited the region south of the Dead Sea, in what is now southwestern Jordan and southern Israel. This area, often referred to as the land of Edom or Idumea, included territories east of the Arabah valley and extended towards the Gulf of Aqaba. Their stronghold was Mt. Seir, located northeast of modern-day Eilat. 



Edomites are red skinned people 
Are u one?
Abraham n Isaac were not Moslem

If Edomite are red skinned,Israelites ?


Muslim is an Arabic word which means obeying to oneness of God. Did Abraham, Isaac obey to one God or Trinity?

[Hope]

https://youtu.be/KcIXHyvIPWQ?si=loOedrqYs1n9ng8m
The Edomites today
Hope once claimed she is not Chinese or malay 
Is she an Edomite ?

I am an Israelites!

[Lukongsimi]

When did the Holy Trinity begin?


325 CE

The Holy Trinity consists of the Father God, the Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. This Trinity is a central belief in most Christian sects and was officially decided upon by church officials from the Roman Empire in 325 CE

[Lukongsimi]

I am an Israelites!

What proof that you are an Israelite?
Born or guessing?

[Hope]

Into a nation not into the promised land two different matter

The promised land was fulfilled 3500 years ago.

It will not repeat again.

[Hope]

What proof that you are an Israelite?
Born or guessing?

I told you that I am not a Chinese, Malay or Indian.So I should be an Israelites like all those Eastern European who claiming to be Israelites.

[pinkpanther]

This law is only applied to prophet.



“O Prophet! We have made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their ˹full˺ dowries as well as those ˹bondwomen˺ in your possession, whom Allah has granted you.And ˹you are allowed to marry˺ the daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and aunts, who have emigrated like you. Also ˹allowed for marriage is˺ a believing woman who offers herself to the Prophet ˹without dowry˺ if he is interested in marrying her—˹this is˺ exclusively for you, not for the rest of the believers. We know well what ˹rulings˺ We have ordained for the believers in relation to their wives and those ˹bondwomen˺ in their possession. As such, there would be no blame on you. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” Quran 33:50

As a prophet, he should have upheld the law to the highest standard and served as a role model for everyone to emulate, rather than making exceptions for himself.

[Hope]

If Edomite are red skinned,Israelites ?


Muslim is an Arabic word which means obeying to oneness of God. Did Abraham, Isaac obey to one God or Trinity?

When did the Holy Trinity begin?


325 CE

The Holy Trinity consists of the Father God, the Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. This Trinity is a central belief in most Christian sects and was officially decided upon by church officials from the Roman Empire in 325 CE

Abraham and Issac were born after or before this?

[pinkpanther]

Jesus taught one man one wife to believers like you .However 

his prophets from Abraham to John the Baptist had multiple wives.

How is it possible?

John the Baptist had multiple wives? When?

The prophets can have many wives because God did not impose a restriction...but Muhammad came up with the lucky number 4

[pinkpanther]

The promised land was fulfilled 3500 years ago.

It will not repeat again.

No ..God scattered the israelites across the world because of their disobedience and now gathers them back

Jeremiah 31:10 reads: "Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it in the coastlands afar off, and say, 'He who scattered Israel will gather him, and will keep him as a shepherd does his flock.'" 

[Lukongsimi]

Abraham and Issac were born after or before this?

Bef Christ hasn’t born yet 
Now it’s new creation the trinity 
Saves by grace 
No more animal sacrifice 
Islam came late still behind time need animal sacrifice

[Lukongsimi]

I told you that I am not a Chinese, Malay or Indian.So I should be an Israelites like all those Eastern European who claiming to be Israelites.

U can be an Arab also Sunni Arab ?
U claim what others claim
That is not proof

[Hope]

Jesus from Judas lineage the son bored by Leah the first wife of Jacob
Jacob intention was only marry Rachel but was tricked by his father in law.
Rachel  gave her maid to Jacob as wife to help her bear children
Leah followed n thus Jacob had 2 wives 2 concubines
2 concubines total 5 children
Wives 8 children

If Jesus is God, Son of God or God in flesh, How can you connect a lineage to him?

How can God have a human lineage?

[Lukongsimi]

If Jesus is God, Son of God or God in flesh, How can you connect a lineage to him?

How can God have a human lineage?

Jesus has to use a lineage from  David  to born as a man

[Lukongsimi]

John the Baptist had multiple wives? When?

The prophets can have many wives because God did not impose a restriction...but Muhammad came up with the lucky number 4

She is not sure about the Bible keep asking us 
John the Baptist got wife ? 
lol

[pinkpanther]

The promised land was fulfilled 3500 years ago.

It will not repeat again.

Remember there was no Israel until 1948. Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt attack Israel but they fail... Why? Because God was with them...back then, 4 israelis soldiers per rifle and they still resist the attack..

[pinkpanther]

She is not sure about the Bible keep asking us 
John the Baptist got wife ? 
lol

[Lukongsimi]

Jesus taught one man one wife to believers like you .However 

his prophets from Abraham to John the Baptist had multiple wives.

How is it possible?

Did John the Baptist have a wife? 
No, John the Baptist was not married. He had lived in the desert as an anchorite or hermit from his youth before undertaking his ministry, which ended with his martyrdom at Herod’s orders. 

[Hope]

As a prophet, he should have upheld the law to the highest standard and served as a role model for everyone to emulate, rather than making exceptions for himself.

He married those women for multiple reasons.
It was also normal to have many wives in their society until it was restricted to four.


Prophet Married his second wife after living with first wife for 24 years.

He married all other 10 wives with in next ten years .Eight of them could live with him 3-4 years only.

[Hope]

John the Baptist had multiple wives? When?

The prophets can have many wives because God did not impose a restriction...but Muhammad came up with the lucky number 4

No. John the Baptist didn’t get marry . I mentioned his name as he was the last prophet before Jesus.

 Prophet didn’t suggest 4. It is from Quran. Allah knows his creation. May be some men want to marry like this 
1. Black 2. White 3. Yellow 4. Brown 
1. Tall 2. Short 3. Fat 4. Skinny 
1. Religious 2. Professional 3. Quite 4. Rich.

[Hope]

Bef Christ hasn’t born yet 
Now it’s new creation the trinity 
Saves by grace 
No more animal sacrifice 
Islam came late still behind time need animal sacrifice

What are you talking about? We were discussing whether Abraham and Issac are following trinity.

Animal sacrifice during Hari haji is to mark the occasion of Abraham willingness to sacrifice his son.Nothing to do with salvation.

[pinkpanther]

He married those women for multiple reasons.
It was also normal to have many wives in their society until it was restricted to four.


Prophet Married his second wife after living with first wife for 24 years.

He married all other 10 wives with in next ten years .Eight of them could live with him 3-4 years only.

If I say everyone can only have 4 cookies but I myself can eat as many as I like...do you think it is fair?

[Hope]

No ..God scattered the israelites across the world because of their disobedience and now gathers them back

Jeremiah 31:10 reads: "Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it in the coastlands afar off, and say, 'He who scattered Israel will gather him, and will keep him as a shepherd does his flock.'" 

This is not talking about current or any future situation.

This should have been full filled during Jacob.

[Ali Imran]

Imagine Hagar is your concubine n everyday quarrel with your wife n son
Do u let them fight like cats n dogs or send the concubine away ?
Or just watch them like just watching wrestling show 
Hook huh hook huh song huh shiok !huh lol

Again. Hagar was Prophet Abraham's wife, not a concubine. Stop belittling the wives of a great prophet, pbuh.

So, do you think a great prophet would throw out his son and his wife because his other wife demanded it?

[Ali Imran]

I have shown u many times but u ignore it
That is how a liar survives

Not even once. You have never proven I'm a liar. You can only throw accusations with nothing to substantiate them.

When I said the Trinity verse was omitted from many modern Bibles, you called me a liar, but after I proved it, you went quiet.

Every time I wrote something that you disagreed with, you called me a liar.

You're the liar.

[Ali Imran]

When did you start to sell koyok?

[Ali Imran]

God did not set a law on how many wives or how many concubines Jacob or Abraham can take ..

Allah gave the commandments that a moslem man only can take in 4 wives at most.

Jesus taught one man one wife!

Did God say the great prophets were wrong to have many wives?

[Ali Imran]

If a new law is enforce, do you follow the new law or the old law? Or you want to keep the old and new laws together?

Did God say the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم must divorce his wives to bring down the number to 4?

You still want to pretend you know Islam better than our scholars.

[Ali Imran]

I asked for the condition but you never give me an answer...when I go to the tafsir...there was also no condition

5.21 Jalal - Al-Jalalayn
O my people, enter the Holy, the purified, Land which God has ordained for you, [which] He commanded you to enter, and this is Syria (al-shām), and do not turn back in flight, [do not] retreat in fear of the enemy, or you will end up as losers’, in your efforts

Abbas - Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
(O my people! Go into the holy land) the purified Damascus, Palestine and parts of Jordan (which Allah hath ordained for you) which Allah has gifted to you and made it a bequest of your father Abraham. (Turn not in flight) retreating, (for surely ye turn back as losers) who are punished: Allah will take away from you the quails and honey

Don't you read what you posted? You cannot see the condition?

[pinkpanther]

This is not talking about current or any future situation.

This should have been full filled during Jacob.

Please read the words in bold...God is addressing all nations ..are the israelites scattered around the world during Jacob's time?

Jeremiah 31:10 reads: "Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it in the coastlands afar off, and say, 'He who scattered Israel will gather him, and will keep him as a shepherd does his flock.'"