[pinkpanther]

Are you spamming or performing Dawah?

[Lukongsimi]

Not even once. You have never proven I'm a liar. You can only throw accusations with nothing to substantiate them.

When I said the Trinity verse was omitted from many modern Bibles, you called me a liar, but after I proved it, you went quiet.

Every time I wrote something that you disagreed with, you called me a liar.

You're the liar.

It’s still there in the Bible 
If not how to copy out to post?

[pinkpanther]

Did God say the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم must divorce his wives to bring down the number to 4?

You still want to pretend you know Islam better than our scholars.

The prophet doesnt lead by example...he is higher than God..he even persuaded God to bring down the number of prayers..  do you call it obedience?

[Lukongsimi]

The doctrine of the Trinity, while not explicitly named in the Bible, is a core Christian belief that describes God as one being existing in three co-equal persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The Bible, particularly the New Testament, contains numerous passages that support this concept through descriptions of God's nature and interactions. 

[size=11]Key Concepts of the Trinity: [/size]

• [size=11]One God: Christians believe in one God, not three separate deities. 
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• [size=11]Three Persons: This one God eternally exists as three distinct persons: Father, Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit. 
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• [size=11]Co-equal: Each person of the Trinity is fully God, equal in power and glory. 
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• [size=11]Distinct: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons, not just different roles or manifestations of the same person. 
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[size=11]Biblical Support: [/size]

• [size=11]Old Testament:
  [size=11]While the Trinity is more explicitly revealed in the New Testament, some passages in the Old Testament are seen as foreshadowing or hinting at this concept. 
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• [size=11]New Testament:
  [size=11]The New Testament provides clear evidence for the Trinity. For example, the Great Commission in Matthew 28:19 instructs believers to baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit". Other verses, such as John 1:1 (referring to Jesus as the Word, who was with God and was God) and John 10:30 (where Jesus says, "I and the Father are one"), further support the idea of the Trinity. 
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• [size=11]John 14:26, 16:13-15, and Acts 5:3-4
  [size=11]also allude to the distinct personhood of the Holy Spirit, as well as the roles of the Father, Son and Spirit working together. 
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In essence, the Trinity is a foundational Christian doctrine that helps explain the nature of God as revealed in the Bible. While the word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible, the concept is supported by numerous passages throughout both the Old and New Testaments

[pinkpanther]

Don't you read what you posted? You cannot see the condition?

So there is no condition!!

Know that the arab nations are not more stupid than you!

The reason they are not getting involved in the war is because they understand that God's promise must be fulfilled, and the scriptures confirm this to them.

[Lukongsimi]

““These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭25‬-‭26‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The moslems insisted the Holy Spirit was Muh sent 

[Lukongsimi]

What are you talking about? We were discussing whether Abraham and Issac are following trinity.

Animal sacrifice during Hari haji is to mark the occasion of Abraham willingness to sacrifice his son.Nothing to do with salvation.

That time Christ haven’t come where got trinity ?
They are not moslems since your muh came 600 years later after christ

[Lukongsimi]

Did God say the great prophets were wrong to have many wives?

God never say anything doesn’t mean is ok to go against the law 
Marry so many wives is due to lust 
Is lust a sin?

[Lukongsimi]

Again. Hagar was Prophet Abraham's wife, not a concubine. Stop belittling the wives of a great prophet, pbuh.

So, do you think a great prophet would throw out his son and his wife because his other wife demanded it?

If Hagar n son still stayed with them 
Isaac might be killed by Ishmael to get the inheritance
Just like what happened to Abel killed by his brother Cain because of envy

[Lukongsimi]

Are you spamming or performing Dawah?

He cannot win so spams lol

[Lukongsimi]

Yes, Hagar is described as a concubine in the biblical narrative. She was initially a maidservant to Sarah, Abraham's wife, but was given to Abraham as a concubine to bear him a child. This happened because Sarah was unable to conceive and sought a way to fulfill God's promise of descendants for Abraham. Hagar's status as a concubine is evident in how she is treated in the story and how her son, Ishmael, is ultimately treated in relation to Isaac, Sarah's son.


Read that pachik
If she was legally married to Abraham he won’t drove her out because of her bad behavior towards Sarah and  Her son Isaac

She was Only a tool to give birth

[Ali Imran]

If Hagar n son still stayed with them 
Isaac might be killed by Ishmael to get the inheritance
Just like what happened to Abel killed by his brother Cain because of envy

Do you think a great man would throw out his son and his wife because his other wife demanded it?

Why do you want to cast aspersions on Prophet Abraham's firstborn son?

[Ali Imran]

The prophet doesnt lead by example...he is higher than God..he even persuaded God to bring down the number of prayers..  do you call it obedience?

Again. Why do you think you know Islam better than Muslim scholars?

[Ali Imran]

It’s still there in the Bible 
If not how to copy out to post?

Do you see it in the NIV?

[Lukongsimi]

Do you think a great man would throw out his son and his wife because his other wife demanded it?

Why do you want to cast aspersions on Prophet Abraham's firstborn son?

the biblical narrative in Genesis indicates that God agreed with Sarah's request to send Ishmael and Hagar away, even though Abraham was initially reluctant. God instructed Abraham to listen to Sarah and assured him that Ishmael would also be blessed and become a great nation


If not where got Islam today for u to debate u should be thankful 
U blame wrongly on Abraham u very wicked

[Lukongsimi]

Do you see it in the NIV?

Where post it ! If it’s replaced
Don’t give empty posts n expect me to search

[Ali Imran]

So there is no condition!!

Know that the arab nations are not more stupid than you!

The reason they are not getting involved in the war is because they understand that God's promise must be fulfilled, and the scriptures confirm this to them.

LOL

If you cannot see the condition, I can't help you.

[Ali Imran]

Where post it ! If it’s replaced
Don’t give empty posts n expect me to search

[Lukongsimi]

The 3 is written means it’s still trinity

[Ali Imran]

the biblical narrative in Genesis indicates that God agreed with Sarah's request to send Ishmael and Hagar away, even though Abraham was initially reluctant. God instructed Abraham to listen to Sarah and assured him that Ishmael would also be blessed and become a great nation


If not where got Islam today for u to debate u should be thankful 
U blame wrongly on Abraham u very wicked

So God also had to agree with, according to the Bible, a woman's wrath? God also afraid of a woman?

[Lukongsimi]

So God also had to agree with, according to the Bible, a woman's wrath? God also afraid of a woman?

How dare you mock God!

[Ali Imran]

The 3 is written means it’s still trinity

No, it isn't the Trinity. Go read the NIV properly. No where does it mention the Trinity like in the KJV.

How come the KJV still insists on that forgery?

[Ali Imran]

How dare you mock God!

I don't. I'm questioning the biblical narrative.

At one place, it says Hagar and her son were sent away by Prophet Abraham before Isaac was born. And then, the narrative made up a story of why they were sent away which doesn't match the other narrative.

[Lukongsimi]

No, it isn't the Trinity. Go read the NIV properly. No where does it mention the Trinity like in the KJV.

How come the KJV still insists on that forgery?

KJV the older version should be genuine 
Newer version regardless how they altered it the trinity still there

[Ali Imran]

The reason they are not getting involved in the war is because they understand that God's promise must be fulfilled, and the scriptures confirm this to them.

So you believe God wants the killing of innocent Palestinian women, children, and infants today?

[Lukongsimi]

I don't. I'm questioning the biblical narrative.

At one place, it says Hagar and her son were sent away by Prophet Abraham before Isaac was born. And then, the narrative made up a story of why they were sent away which doesn't match the other narrative.

Can’t u read Hagar n son were sent away twice ?
First time God asked her go back n listen to Sarah be obedient 
Second time she was sent out cos her son Ishmael mocked at Isaac 
which caused grief to Sarah 
Understand?

[Ali Imran]

KJV the older version should be genuine 
Newer version regardless how they altered it the trinity still there

Do you know why the modern Bible removed the Trinity verse?

Because they found much older manuscripts which doesn't have the Trinity verse in them. That means the Trinity verse wasn't originally in that book. It was added a few hundred years after the book was written.

[Lukongsimi]

In the biblical narrative of Genesis, Hagar and her son Ishmael are sent away from Abraham's household twice. The first instance occurs in Genesis 16 when Hagar, mistreated by Sarah, flees into the wilderness and is later told by an angel to return and submit to Sarah. The second instance, described in Genesis 21, happens after Isaac's birth, when Sarah, fearing Ishmael's potential inheritance, demands that Abraham send Hagar and Ishmael away permanently. In both cases, God intervenes to protect Hagar and Ishmael. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown: 
[size=11]First Sending Away (Genesis 16): [/size]

• [size=11]Cause: Hagar, mistreated by Sarah, flees into the wilderness. [/size]
  
• [size=11]God's Intervention: An angel directs her to return and submit to Sarah, promising to bless her offspring and make them numerous. [/size]
  
• [size=11]Result: Hagar returns and bears Ishmael. 
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[size=11]Second Sending Away (Genesis 21): [/size]

• [size=11]Cause:
  [size=11]Sarah demands Hagar and Ishmael be sent away due to her fear of Ishmael inheriting alongside Isaac. [/size][/size]
  
• [size=11]God's Intervention:
  [size=11]God instructs Abraham to listen to Sarah, assuring him that Ishmael will also be blessed as a nation. [/size][/size]
  
• [size=11]Result:
  [size=11]Hagar and Ishmael are sent away with provisions. [/size][/size]
  
• [size=11]Further Divine Intervention:
  [size=11]In the wilderness, God provides for them, saving them from perishing and renewing the promise of Ishmael's future as a great nation. [/size][/size]
  

[pinkpanther]

So you believe God wants the killing of innocent Palestinian women, children, and infants today?

Allahu a'lam

[Ali Imran]

Can’t u read Hagar n son were sent away twice ?
First time God asked her go back n listen to Sarah be obedient 
Second time she was sent out cos her son Ishmael mocked at Isaac 
which caused grief to Sarah 
Understand?

The first time Hagar left, she was pregnant.

The second time she left, and left permanently, Ishmael was a baby, before Isaac was born.

Now explain why there is such a story of Ishmael and Isaac in the same house.