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(Yesterday, 01:55 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: If you want Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم himself said he is the messenger of Allah, we can go to the Hadith. The Quran is not the speech of Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم.
We believe the Quran is a revelation from Allah.
Your Hadith full of dirty jokes good to learn?
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(Yesterday, 01:53 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: If some Buddhists pray to Buddha, does that make him a true God?
The Bible showed that Jesus is God because Stephen prayed to Him! That is clear evidence!
You can throw all your arguments down the long Kang....
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(Yesterday, 01:57 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: So there, Jesus never once said "I am God" or even "Worship me". He said the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD.
So you're lying against Jesus by saying Jesus is God.
Satan u wants us to worship u as god?
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(Yesterday, 01:58 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: Your Hadith full of dirty jokes good to learn?
yes..talk dirty in the mosque some more
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(Yesterday, 01:59 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: The Bible showed that Jesus is God because Stephen prayed to Him! That is clear evidence!
You can throw all your arguments down the long Kang....
If a man prays to a cow, does that make that cow a true God?
If you are willing to answer that simple question, your argument goes down the drain.
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(Yesterday, 01:59 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: Satan u wants us to worship u as god?
Satan doesn't want you to worship him as god. Satan wants you to worship a man as god.
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(Yesterday, 01:55 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: If you want Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم himself said he is the messenger of Allah, we can go to the Hadith. The Quran is not the speech of Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم.
We believe the Quran is a revelation from Allah.
No. The Hadiths are corrupted..that is why some moslems prefer to be Quran only!
Ok..so God did not pass the revelation to Muhammad directly...this we can also establish tiok boh?
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(Yesterday, 02:03 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: No. The Hadiths are corrupted..that is why some moslems prefer to be Quran only!
The weakest Hadith is better than all the Gospels. Why? Because we can establish who narrated that weak Hadith while the NT scholars cannot determine who wrote the Gospels.
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(Yesterday, 02:03 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Ok..so God did not pass the revelation to Muhammad directly...this we can also establish tiok boh?
Yes, that is true.
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(Yesterday, 02:01 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: If a man prays to a cow, does that make that cow a true God?
If you are willing to answer that simple question, your argument goes down the drain.
I don care for your question..I'm showing you what the Bible said! If Jesus is not God..why is Stephen praying to Him!
This statement from Stephen is unambiguous and it is clear!
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(Yesterday, 02:06 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: I don care for your question..I'm showing you what the Bible said! If Jesus is not God..why is Stephen praying to Him!
This statement from Stephen is unambiguous and it is clear!
You're afraid to answer my simple question because it will defeat your argument.
Just because a man prays to a cow, it does not make that cow a god.
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(Yesterday, 02:06 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Yes, that is true.
Good! We can conclude that the revelation does not come directly from Allah, and in the Quran, Muhammad did not explicitly confess to being the messenger himself.
Now, let's examine the entity claiming to be Jibril. We have no witnesses besides Muhammad to confirm or verify that Jibril is the angel delivering the revelation tiok boh
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(Yesterday, 02:08 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: You're afraid to answer my simple question because it will defeat your argument.
Just because a man prays to a cow, it does not make that cow a god.
I could use that argument against you, and it would ultimately undermine your own position. What I’ve presented are new perspectives to demonstrate that Jesus is God from the statement of Stephen, so you can never claim otherwise, as the evidence would suggest that you are being untruthful...
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(Yesterday, 02:02 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Satan doesn't want you to worship him as god. Satan wants you to worship a man as god.
Where in the Bible Jesus said He is not God?
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(Yesterday, 02:02 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Satan doesn't want you to worship him as god. Satan wants you to worship a man as god.
Satan wants you to worship him as god
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(Yesterday, 02:15 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: Where in the Bible Jesus said He is not God?
clever retort ...
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(Yesterday, 02:15 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: Where in the Bible Jesus said He is not God?
When he said the Father is the ONLY true God, that means he is not God.
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(Yesterday, 02:14 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: I could use that argument against you, and it would ultimately undermine your own position. What I’ve presented are new perspectives to demonstrate that Jesus is God from the statement of Stephen, so you can never claim otherwise, as the evidence would suggest that you are being untruthful...
If a man prays to a cow, does it mean that cow is god?
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(Yesterday, 02:11 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Good! We can conclude that the revelation does not come directly from Allah, and in the Quran, Muhammad did not explicitly confess to being the messenger himself.
We have Allah telling us that Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم is the messenger of Allah.
The Quran comes from Allah, sent down to Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم via a noble messenger.
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(Yesterday, 02:11 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Now, let's examine the entity claiming to be Jibril. We have no witnesses besides Muhammad to confirm or verify that Jibril is the angel delivering the revelation tiok boh
Gabriel appeared as a man, witnessed by many of the prophet's companions.
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(Yesterday, 02:27 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: If a man prays to a cow, does it mean that cow is god?
If a man prays to Allah, does it mean that Allah is god?
Ask the Hindus, the cow is their God!
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(Yesterday, 02:30 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: If a man prays to Allah, does it mean that Allah is god?
Allah is God.
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(Yesterday, 02:30 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Gabriel appeared as a man, witnessed by many of the prophet's companions.
Where can I find it in the Quran?
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(Yesterday, 02:30 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Ask the Hindus, the cow is their God!
So you believe a cow is God simply because a man prays to it.
Ok noted.
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(Yesterday, 02:31 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Allah is God.
Who says?
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(Yesterday, 02:31 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Where can I find it in the Quran?
It is in the Hadith.
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(Yesterday, 02:33 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Who says?
Muslims say.
The Bible in Arabic also says Allah is God.
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(Yesterday, 02:33 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: So you believe a cow is God simply because a man prays to it.
Ok noted.
You said a cow can never be God but Hindus have been worshipping cow for 5000 years....what makes you correct?
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(Yesterday, 02:35 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: You said a cow can never be God but Hindus have been worshipping cow for 5000 years....what makes you correct?
It is your standard, not mine.
You believe a man is God because another man prays to him. So by your own standard, Buddha is also God to you because other men pray to him.
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(Yesterday, 02:34 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Muslims say.
The Bible in Arabic also says Allah is God.
Excellent! In the Bible, Stephen prayed to Jesus, indicating that Jesus is God. Additionally, Jesus made numerous claims about His divinity and the Father also declares that Jesus is God.
I'm only using your standards..you follow what the Quran says...I follow what the Bible says
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