Scripture readings for Christmas

(10 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  So all 3 was speaking at the same time?

Only 1 being is speaking
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(10 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  Can you find a similar verse in the Bible where God directly addresses all of mankind?

Yes.. John 3:16-17: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him."
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(9 hours ago)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes.. John 3:16-17: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him."

Is that God speaking?
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(9 hours ago)pinkpanther Wrote:  Only 1 being is speaking

That means all 3 persons in the 1 being is speaking?
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(9 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  Is that God speaking?

Yes...the speaker is God the Father.He is the main source
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(9 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  That means all 3 persons in the 1 being is speaking?

1 being
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(9 hours ago)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes...the speaker is God the Father.He is the main source

So at the Father speaks by himself but at times, they all speak together? 

Btw, that verse didn't address mankind.
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(9 hours ago)pinkpanther Wrote:  1 being

You're so quick to say it was the Father in Mark 1 but you are reluctant to give the same answer in Isaiah. The reason is clear. Isaiah didn't say the Trinity was speaking. Isaiah will prove the Trinity is a false doctrine.
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(9 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  You're so quick to say it was the Father in Mark 1 but you are reluctant to give the same answer in Isaiah. The reason is clear. Isaiah didn't say the Trinity was speaking. Isaiah will prove the Trinity is a false doctrine.

No The Trinity can be found in Isaiah.
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(9 hours ago)pinkpanther Wrote:  No The Trinity can be found in Isaiah.

Show me, not just in Isaiah, in the entire Bible.
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(9 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  Show me, not just in Isaiah, in the entire Bible.

Isaiah 42:1, 49:6, 50:10, and 61:1:
These verses describe a servant of the Lord, who is often identified with the Messiah (Jesus) and is seen as distinct from the Father and the Spirit. 

Isaiah 6:1-8:
The seraphim's repeated cry of "Holy, Holy, Holy" is seen as a Trinitarian formula, signifying the holiness of all three persons of God.
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(10 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  Can you find a similar verse in the Bible where God directly addresses all of mankind?

So many in Bible which verse u want ?
Your Koran copy one lah

When the Lord saw Moses coming near, he called him by name from the bush, and Moses answered, “Here I am.”

5 God replied, “Don't come any closer. Take off your sandals—the ground where you are standing is holy. 6 I am the God who was worshiped by your ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

Moses was afraid to look at God, and so he hid his face.

7 The Lord said:

I have seen how my people are suffering as slaves in Egypt, and I have heard them beg for my help because of the way they are being mistreated. I feel sorry for them, 8 and I have come down to rescue them from the Egyptians.

I will bring my people out of Egypt into a country where there is a lot of good land, rich with milk and honey. I will give them the land where the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites now live. 9 My people have begged for my help, and I have seen how cruel the Egyptians are to them. 10 Now go to the king! I am sending you to lead my people out of his country.

11 But Moses said, “Who am I to go to the king and lead your people out of Egypt?”

12 God replied, “I will be with you. And you will know that I am the one who sent you, when you worship me on this mountain after you have led my people out of Egypt.”[b]

13 Moses answered, “I will tell the people of Israel that the God their ancestors worshiped has sent me to them. But what should I say, if they ask me your name?”

14-15 God said to Moses:

I am the eternal God. So tell them that the Lord,[c] whose name is “I Am,” has sent you. This is my name forever, and it is the name that people must use from now on.

16 Call together the leaders of Israel and tell them that the God who was worshiped by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has appeared to you. Tell them I have seen how terribly they are being treated in Egypt, 17 and I promise to lead them out of their troubles. I will give them a land rich with milk and honey, where the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites now live.

18 The leaders of Israel will listen to you. Then you must take them to the king of Egypt and say, “The Lord God of the Hebrews has appeared to us. Let us walk three days into the desert, where we can offer a sacrifice to him.” 19 But I know that the king of Egypt won't let you go unless something forces him to. 20 So I will use my mighty power to perform all kinds of miracles and strike down the Egyptians. Then the king will send you away.

21 After I punish the Egyptians, they will be so afraid of you that they will give you anything you want. You are my people, and I will let you take many things with you when you leave the land of Egypt. 22 Every Israelite woman will go to her Egyptian neighbors or to any Egyptian woman living with them and ask them for gold and silver jewelry and for their finest clothes. The Egyptians will give them to you, and you will put these fine things on your sons and daughters. Carry all this away when you leave Egypt.

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(9 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  Show me, not just in Isaiah, in the entire Bible.

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While the word "Trinity" isn't explicitly found in the Bible, the concept of one God existing in three co-equal, co-eternal persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is strongly supported by various scriptures. These verses, often referred to as Trinitarian formulas,showcase the distinct roles and actions of each person, while emphasizing their unity in the Godhead. 

Here's a breakdown of the biblical evidence: 
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  • [size=11][size=11]The Father: The Bible identifies the Father as God (e.g., Philippians 1:2). 
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  • [size=11][size=11]The Son (Jesus): Jesus is declared to be God (e.g., Titus 2:13) and is often referred to as the Son of God. 
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  • [size=11][size=11]The Holy Spirit: The Holy Spirit is also identified as God (e.g., Acts 5:3-4). 
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[size=11]2. Simultaneous Activity:
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  • [size=11][size=11]Jesus' Baptism:
    [size=11]At Jesus' baptism, all three persons of the Trinity are present and active, with the Father speaking from heaven, the Son being baptized, and the Holy Spirit descending like a dove. 
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  • [size=11][size=11]John 1:1-5:
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[size=11]3. Unity of God: 
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  • [size=11][size=11]Deuteronomy 6:4:
    [size=11]This verse, often quoted, states, "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." This foundational verse emphasizes the oneness of God, while also allowing for the distinction of persons within the Godhead. 
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  • [size=11][size=11]John 10:30:
    [size=11]Jesus says, "I and the Father are one," further illustrating the unity between the Father and the Son. 
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[size=11]4. Examples of Trinitarian Formulas:
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  • [size=11][size=11]Matthew 28:19:
    [size=11]Jesus commands his followers to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, demonstrating the equal standing of all three persons, according to Logos Bible Software
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  • [size=11][size=11]2 Corinthians 13:14:
    [size=11]Paul's benediction includes the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, according to OverviewBible
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[size=11]5. The Trinity in Prayer: 
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In essence, the Bible presents a God who is one in essence, yet manifested in three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 
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“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭7‬ ‭KJV

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(9 hours ago)pinkpanther Wrote:  Isaiah 42:1, 49:6, 50:10, and 61:1:
These verses describe a servant of the Lord, who is often identified with the Messiah (Jesus) and is seen as distinct from the Father and the Spirit. 

Isaiah 6:1-8:
The seraphim's repeated cry of "Holy, Holy, Holy" is seen as a Trinitarian formula, signifying the holiness of all three persons of God.

Any of them says God is three in one?

The answer is none. There is not a single verse in the entire Bible that teaches the Trinity. That's why they had to invent a verse to convince people.
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(6 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  Any of them says God is three in one?

The answer is none. There is not a single verse in the entire Bible that teaches the Trinity. That's why they had to invent a verse to convince people.
Most churches use kjv 

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭7‬ ‭KJV

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(7 hours ago)Lukongsimi Wrote:  So many in Bible which verse u want ?
Your Koran copy one lah

When the Lord saw Moses coming near, he called him by name from the bush, and Moses answered, “Here I am.”

5 God replied, “Don't come any closer. Take off your sandals—the ground where you are standing is holy. 6 I am the God who was worshiped by your ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

Moses was afraid to look at God, and so he hid his face.

7 The Lord said:

I have seen how my people are suffering as slaves in Egypt, and I have heard them beg for my help because of the way they are being mistreated. I feel sorry for them, 8 and I have come down to rescue them from the Egyptians.


This is why the God of Islam is not the same as the God we worship, because He permits women and children to be sold as sex slaves and allows Moslem men to mistreat them.

The God of Abraham despises such behavior. Therefore, if Allah condones these actions, then He is not a God worthy for believers to follow!

Your God is not capable of mercy because He addresses us as the worst of all beings and He wants to annihilate the Jews, God's chosen ones! Moslems want that convenant between Isaac and God broken!...He replaces us with Moslems in hellfire..He wants you to commit more sins and ask Him for forgiveness so that He can keep you alive...

You know what you are worshipping? Yes!! You are right!! The 👿!!
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(6 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  Any of them says God is three in one?

The answer is none. There is not a single verse in the entire Bible that teaches the Trinity. That's why they had to invent a verse to convince people.

Don spread lies...people worship the Father, people pray to Jesus and believers pray in the Holy Spirit..
These are written...the concept of The Trinity needs to be applied! You cannot just ignore them
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(5 hours ago)pinkpanther Wrote:  This is why the God of Islam is not the same as the God we worship, because He permits women and children to be sold as sex slaves and allows Moslem men to mistreat them.

The God of Abraham despises such behavior. Therefore, if Allah condones these actions, then He is not a God worthy for believers to follow!

Your God is not capable of mercy because He addresses us as the worst of all beings and He wants to annihilate the Jews, God's chosen ones! Moslems want that convenant between Isaac and God broken!...He replaces us with Moslems in hellfire.He wants you to commit more sins and ask him for forgiveness so that He can keep you alive...

You know what you are worshipping? Yes!! You are right!! The 👿!!
Their god loves wicked children 
Our God loves righteous children lol
Good vs Evil
Adam n Eve were tempted by the devil to eat the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good n evil

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(5 hours ago)pinkpanther Wrote:  Don spread lies...people worship the Father, people pray to Jesus and believers pray in the Holy Spirit..
These are written...the concept of The Trinity needs to be applied! You cannot just ignore them

Where can I find the concept of the Trinity in the Bible?
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(6 hours ago)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Most churches use kjv 

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭7‬ ‭KJV

The NIV is the best-selling Bible in the world today.

And it doesn't have that Trinity verse. They have thrown it out. Why would they throw it out, seeing that they are Trinitarians themselves? Because they are convinced that it is a later addition, aka forgery.
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(3 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  The NIV is the best-selling Bible in the world today.

And it doesn't have that Trinity verse. They have thrown it out. Why would they throw it out, seeing that they are Trinitarians themselves? Because they are convinced that it is a later addition, aka forgery.
It’s still in the kjv today 
The older version is more genuine

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(3 hours ago)Lukongsimi Wrote:  It’s still in the kjv today 
The older version is more genuine

Christian scholars say:

The KJV has has grave defects ... these defects are so many and so serious...

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(3 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  Christian scholars say:

The KJV has has grave defects ... these defects are so many and so serious...

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Your Koran eaten by sheep why ?
Your Hadith is unbelievable funny

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(3 hours ago)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Your Koran eaten by sheep why ?

Don't blame the Quran. 

Christian scholars said that your Bible has many serious defects, not Muslims.
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(3 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  Don't blame the Quran. 

Christian scholars said that your Bible has many serious defects, not Muslims.

How come don’t blame your Koran but blame the Bible ?

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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Whenever we talk about the trinity the pachik very angry why?

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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If the Bible is not true why no sheep ate it?

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(3 hours ago)Lukongsimi Wrote:  How come don’t blame your Koran but blame the Bible ?

No, I am not blaming the Bible. I'm only telling you what Christian scholars say about the Bible you have.
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(3 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  Where can I find the concept of the Trinity in the Bible?

Matthew 28:19
2: Corinthians 13:14
Ephesians 5:4-6
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(3 hours ago)Ali Imran Wrote:  No, I am not blaming the Bible. I'm only telling you what Christian scholars say about the Bible you have.


Don't worry about what Christian scholars say... we truly have no understanding of the meanings of the Quranic verses without the authentic interpretations provided by Muhammad.
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