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(14-08-2025, 04:40 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Did Allah order all the judges under the Sharia to pass the correct judgment? If the judge passed a wrong judgement...who is he suppose to blame? The judge or God?
If a judge passes a wrong judgment in good faith, he will get 1 reward. If he is passed a wrong judgment because he fears something other than Allah, like losing his job, then he must prepare his place in hell. Wallahu 'alam.
So, when God commands a punishment in this world for a lawbreaker, aren't men supposed to carry out the punishment?
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(14-08-2025, 04:46 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: If a judge passes a wrong judgment in good faith, he will get 1 reward. If he is passed a wrong judgment because he fears something other than Allah, like losing his job, then he must prepare his place in hell. Wallahu 'alam.
You already said that a judge can make mistakes in passing God's judgement...so how can we trust the Sharia? Can God make mistakes if He himself is the judge of your actions!
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(14-08-2025, 04:51 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: You already said that a judge can make mistakes in passing God's judgement...so how can we trust the Sharia? Can God make mistakes if He himself is the judge of your actions!
When God commands a law to be carried out in this world, are you going to ignore it?
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(14-08-2025, 05:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: When God commands a law to be carried out in this world, are you going to ignore it?
Can God select the wrong men to pass a wrong judgment? If Yes then God is capable of mistakes
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(14-08-2025, 05:19 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Can God select the wrong men to pass a wrong judgment? If Yes then God is capable of mistakes
We don't believe God makes mistakes, or gets tired, or feels regret, or needs reminding. Those are human fallibilities.
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(14-08-2025, 05:24 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: We don't believe God makes mistakes, or gets tired, or feels regret, or needs reminding. Those are human fallibilities.
Can a judge err when delivering God's judgment? Passing an incorrect judgment is considered blasphemy against God, are you aware?
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(14-08-2025, 05:24 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: We don't believe God makes mistakes, or gets tired, or feels regret, or needs reminding. Those are human fallibilities.
Can I call upon God as my witness if I believe that the judge had made a wrong judgment ..As you know Shariah is base on God's law so nothing wrong to call God in as a witness
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(14-08-2025, 05:38 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Can a judge err when delivering God's judgment? Passing an incorrect judgment is considered blasphemy against God, are you aware?
A judge should not pass an incorrect judgment knowingly. If he doesn't know the law, he should not be a judge.
And yes, a judge can err unknowingly or unintentionally. Any judge can err, even secular ones.
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(14-08-2025, 05:41 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Can I call upon God as my witness if I believe that the judge had made a wrong judgment ..As you know Shariah is base on God's law so nothing wrong to call God in as a witness
I'm not sure what you're saying.
You can swear in the name of Allah in a Shariah court, and your oath will be accepted.
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(14-08-2025, 05:46 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: And yes, a judge can err unknowingly or unintentionally. Any judge can err, even secular ones.
There you go....who is best at executing God's fair judgment? God Himself....men who pass judgment on men all fall under secular law
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(14-08-2025, 05:51 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I'm not sure what you're saying.
You can swear in the name of Allah in a Shariah court, and your oath will be accepted.
What is the point of swearing an oath when Muhammad allow lying on 3 conditions
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(14-08-2025, 05:59 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: There you go....who is best at executing God's fair judgment? God Himself....men who pass judgment on men all fall under secular law
When God commands the believers to punish the thief, do we ignore that command?
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(14-08-2025, 06:03 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: What is the point of swearing an oath when Muhammad allow lying on 3 conditions
Why do you like to mock what is sacred to us?
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(14-08-2025, 06:03 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: When God commands the believers to punish the thief, do we ignore that command?
When God commands the person in charge to punish the thief then you cannot ignore....because we are humans and prone to errors and sins..we cannot pass a fair judgment....only God can do that!
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(14-08-2025, 06:09 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: When God commands the person in charge to punish the thief then you cannot ignore
Thank you.
So, if God says it is forbidden for a man to have sex with another man, and if they do that, a punishment must be meted out, why do the Christians ignore it and instead allow gay sex?
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(14-08-2025, 06:13 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Thank you.
So, if God says it is forbidden for a man to have sex with another man, and if they do that, a punishment must be meted out, why do the Christians ignore it and instead allow gay sex?
Moslems men engage in gay sex too...we don believe in punishing them...we believe in educating them through the Bible... God's judgment is only for God to pass..if there is a secular law prosecuting gay men then it is God's will and God's judgment!
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(14-08-2025, 06:46 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Moslems men engage in gay sex too...we don believe in punishing them...we believe in educating them through the Bible... God's judgment is only for God to pass..if there is a secular law prosecuting gay men then it is God's will and God's judgment!
So you are saying that Christians ignore the command of God in the case of gay sex but not in the case of theft?
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(14-08-2025, 06:54 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: So you are saying that Christians ignore the command of God in the case of gay sex but not in the case of theft?
The Bible already said they will not inherit the kingdom..and that is the biggest punishment....why do you need to punish them further? God will punish them...
After sharia meted the punishment to them...can they truly tell God to forget the past because they have been punished?
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(14-08-2025, 07:05 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: The Bible already said they will not inherit the kingdom..and that is the biggest punishment....why do you need to punish them further? God will punish them...
Ok. That's discarding the commands of God in favor of your own desires.
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 || "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate (malakoi), nor homosexuals (arsenokoitai), nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly
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(14-08-2025, 07:38 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Ok. That's discarding the commands of God in favor of your own desires.
If every religion have their own laws and courts...the country will be in a mess
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(14-08-2025, 07:38 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Ok. That's discarding the commands of God in favor of your own desires.
If you have dispute with a Jew or christian...where do you intend to hold the trial? You want sharia, the other person wants christian law...so the secular law is only fair to all parties
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(14-08-2025, 07:05 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: The Bible already said they will not inherit the kingdom..and that is the biggest punishment....why do you need to punish them further? God will punish them...
Earlier, you said God's command should be carried out to punish the thief. So why, for gay crime, should God's command be ignored?
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(14-08-2025, 08:04 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Earlier, you said God's command should be carried out to punish the thief. So why, for gay crime, should God's command be ignored?
Committing thef is a crime...you don need God to give the appropriate punishment....the secular law can deal with it...gay sex is not a crime .even pope francis affirms it
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Jehovah Jireh means "The LORD Will Provide" (Genesis 22:14) lah!
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(14-08-2025, 08:19 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Committing thef is a crime...you don need God to give the appropriate punishment....the secular law can deal with it...gay sex is not a crime .even pope francis affirms it
So the command in the Leviticus, to punish the gays with death, which means it is an even more serious crime in the sight of God than theft, is to be ignored?
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(14-08-2025, 08:19 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: ... even pope francis affirms it
Yup. He "bends the knee" to LGBTQ. Christianity has fallen.
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(14-08-2025, 08:42 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Yup. He "bends the knee" to LGBTQ. Christianity has fallen.
Pope is a Roman Catholic not Christian lah!
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(14-08-2025, 08:44 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: Pope is a Roman Catholic not Christian lah!
Protestantism fell to the pressure of LGBTQ even before the Catholics.
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(14-08-2025, 08:31 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: So the command in the Leviticus, to punish the gays with death, which means it is an even more serious crime in the sight of God than theft, is to be ignored?
Why you quoting me the OT.
it is considered a sin, not a criminal offense. Jesus died for our sins, and all we need to do is seek repentance...we are under the new convenant..no longer under mosaic law
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