Singapore and US reaffirm defence ties
29-03-2022, 08:21 AM
29-03-2022, 08:22 AM
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29-03-2022, 08:48 AM
Out of 10, 1 went to Washington DC, 4 on the way to Beijing.
29-03-2022, 08:51 AM
Got shadow or not.............Assmericunts got another poodle..........no eye see.
29-03-2022, 08:56 AM
29-03-2022, 10:17 AM
china glass heart broken everyday.
But china junk, who want>
gap compared to US is not 10-20 yrs, at least >50yrs difference, LOL LOL.
中共以为已经赶上了美军现代化,谁知乌克兰战争揭穿了中共“皇帝的新装”,不光解放军远远没有达到美军海湾战争水平,美军还创造除了新打法,让习近平身边的金灿荣之类的大呼”诡谲“
But china junk, who want>
gap compared to US is not 10-20 yrs, at least >50yrs difference, LOL LOL.
中共以为已经赶上了美军现代化,谁知乌克兰战争揭穿了中共“皇帝的新装”,不光解放军远远没有达到美军海湾战争水平,美军还创造除了新打法,让习近平身边的金灿荣之类的大呼”诡谲“
29-03-2022, 10:19 AM
Means we're spending more to buy their weapons. This kind of news not good for us.
29-03-2022, 10:20 AM
(29-03-2022, 10:17 AM)kokee Wrote: china glass heart broken everyday.
But china junk, who want>
You forgot what happened last year when China and India border dispute. Now they are good friend again.
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This Ah Long, is taking a risk bet by taking side.(一意孤行)
Don’t blame them later they tekan us again.
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29-03-2022, 10:23 AM
Song Boh !? Haha
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29-03-2022, 10:25 AM
(29-03-2022, 08:21 AM)CHAOS Wrote: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapor...es-2592266The only reason PAP is kowtowing to USA is self preservation of its own power because as Chinese, LHL and cronies know that compared to China leadership, they can be easily replaced, so is better to be like Taiwan and HKG
29-03-2022, 10:27 AM
(29-03-2022, 10:20 AM)RiseofAsia Wrote: You forgot what happened last year when China and India border dispute. Now they are good friend again.![]()
This Ah Long, is taking a risk bet by taking side.(一意孤行)
Don’t blame them later they tekan us again.
comie dogs here hate & detest CECA & ah neh the most, now try to lick ah neh balls so hard, no way india going to work with china till tibet & more lands return to india, all these totally shameless comie dogs liars here & their BS communist sources of fake & lies.
India also work very closely with japan, australia & US now.
xi already panic, kowtow to india, korea & australia recently.
India people ask wang yi to get lost, modi want vote has to listen to the people.
china face these country already soft soft now, US & EU have to kneel down to beg> LOL LOL.
王毅在印度遭民眾示威喝罵「滾出去」
wang yi in India kena F by india govt & people upside down, now run road.
王毅闖禍!遭印度當面責駡!
29-03-2022, 10:31 AM
Singapore is basically continuing the policy that was set up during the LKY days, i.e. depend on US for security and China for economy. This policy makes sense 10 - 20 years ago, but there are some developments recently that really call into question how long we can continue like that:
1) US is a declining power and their bad track record of broken promises and military ineptitude is piling up. How much of the so called security is real and how much of it is only perceived remains to be seen.
2) In the past, due to unique circumstances and LKY's international stature, Singapore was seen as a bridge between ASEAN and US/EU. Now with declining importance of the western world and the ability for each ASEAN country to connect with the world directly, Singapore's importance in ASEAN is slowly reverting to a position that is more in line with its size. All the other ASEAN countries have less and less reason to tolerate Singapore openly asking US to come here to stir shiit.
3) As US is now facing a host of internal and external challenges, it can no longer be "generous" to its allies like the past when it was at the pinnacle of its power. We can see they are now demanding more and more from their dependent countries in terms of money and taking an ideological stance, this means the cost of any country sticking to US is increasing exponentially. How long we can continue like that remains to be seen.
1) US is a declining power and their bad track record of broken promises and military ineptitude is piling up. How much of the so called security is real and how much of it is only perceived remains to be seen.
2) In the past, due to unique circumstances and LKY's international stature, Singapore was seen as a bridge between ASEAN and US/EU. Now with declining importance of the western world and the ability for each ASEAN country to connect with the world directly, Singapore's importance in ASEAN is slowly reverting to a position that is more in line with its size. All the other ASEAN countries have less and less reason to tolerate Singapore openly asking US to come here to stir shiit.
3) As US is now facing a host of internal and external challenges, it can no longer be "generous" to its allies like the past when it was at the pinnacle of its power. We can see they are now demanding more and more from their dependent countries in terms of money and taking an ideological stance, this means the cost of any country sticking to US is increasing exponentially. How long we can continue like that remains to be seen.
29-03-2022, 10:38 AM
Will Russia attack Singapore?
29-03-2022, 10:44 AM
29-03-2022, 10:52 AM
(29-03-2022, 10:31 AM)maxsanic Wrote: Singapore is basically continuing the policy that was set up during the LKY days, i.e. depend on US for security and China for economy. This policy makes sense 10 - 20 years ago, but there are some developments recently that really call into question how long we can continue like that:
1) US is a declining power and their bad track record of broken promises and military ineptitude is piling up. How much of the so called security is real and how much of it is only perceived remains to be seen.
2) In the past, due to unique circumstances and LKY's international stature, Singapore was seen as a bridge between ASEAN and US/EU. Now with declining importance of the western world and the ability for each ASEAN country to connect with the world directly, Singapore's importance in ASEAN is slowly reverting to a position that is more in line with its size. All the other ASEAN countries have less and less reason to tolerate Singapore openly asking US to come here to stir shiit.
3) As US is now facing a host of internal and external challenges, it can no longer be "generous" to its allies like the past when it was at the pinnacle of its power. We can see they are now demanding more and more from their dependent countries in terms of money and taking an ideological stance, this means the cost of any country sticking to US is increasing exponentially. How long we can continue like that remains to be seen.
In the 80s, US still behaved like a gentleman. After 80s, it became a big hooligan till now.
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29-03-2022, 10:57 AM
btw, why one's mask so different?
29-03-2022, 03:14 PM
(29-03-2022, 10:56 AM)WhatDoYouThink? Wrote: like 呆丸,some are still daydreaming
Martin L
HE COULD DO BETTER. HOW DID THE FRUIT FALL SO FAR FROM THE TREE?
He sings a tune that can only give great pleasure to Amarika.
I would prefer to see him clarifying Singapore's role in the event of outbreak of hostilities between Washington and Beijing. Is the US presence in Singapore purely logistic, or more. If more, who ultimately decides what role Singapore plays in such a conflict - our Government or the US commander acting on orders from his superiors. Are we to become pawns. With no control over our fate.
Bear in mind, in the case of the latter, the other side can claim right of pre-emptive strike. Are we suddenly obligated to die for Amarika. Our servicemen and our people owe duty and loyalty to the Singapore state, not the Amarikan Empire!
I would also have liked to see him securing the safety of our dollar assets parked in the US. Will our holdings in US Treasury bills be redeemable in the event of a US Default? Do we have gold parked in the Federal Reserve vaults. Or, are those billions kept in the vaults of the Bank of England, given Singapore's history.
These are legitimate concerns of a citizenry which has been offered little information by the State concerning the assets that belong to Singaporeans. And a government that is merely a custodian of the property of the Laobaixing.
But, who am I, or who are the Laobaixing, to expect such concerns of ours to be even remotely addressed!
29-03-2022, 03:27 PM
(29-03-2022, 03:14 PM)CHAOS Wrote: Martin L
HE COULD DO BETTER. HOW DID THE FRUIT FALL SO FAR FROM THE TREE?
He sings a tune that can only give great pleasure to Amarika.
I would prefer to see him clarifying Singapore's role in the event of outbreak of hostilities between Washington and Beijing. Is the US presence in Singapore purely logistic, or more. If more, who ultimately decides what role Singapore plays in such a conflict - our Government or the US commander acting on orders from his superiors. Are we to become pawns. With no control over our fate.
Bear in mind, in the case of the latter, the other side can claim right of pre-emptive strike. Are we suddenly obligated to die for Amarika. Our servicemen and our people owe duty and loyalty to the Singapore state, not the Amarikan Empire!
I would also have liked to see him securing the safety of our dollar assets parked in the US. Will our holdings in US Treasury bills be redeemable in the event of a US Default? Do we have gold parked in the Federal Reserve vaults. Or, are those billions kept in the vaults of the Bank of England, given Singapore's history.
These are legitimate concerns of a citizenry which has been offered little information by the State concerning the assets that belong to Singaporeans. And a government that is merely a custodian of the property of the Laobaixing.
But, who am I, or who are the Laobaixing, to expect such concerns of ours to be even remotely addressed!
Don't Yaya papaya.you think a tiny island can survive in SE Asia without uncle Sam protection? Grow up!
29-03-2022, 03:30 PM
29-03-2022, 03:39 PM
Any idea what the Singapore defence ties with US involve? ......
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29-03-2022, 03:43 PM
What is the use of reaffirming defence ties? US said to Ukraine "Support for Ukraine is as solid as rock". In the end, did not send a single soldier to defence Ukraine.
Reaffirming defence ties is as good as saying nothing.
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Reaffirming defence ties is as good as saying nothing.
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29-03-2022, 03:43 PM
29-03-2022, 03:46 PM
(29-03-2022, 03:43 PM)Dan Wrote: Lease out Selatar & P. Lebar airport to US fighter jets on pretext of servicing. Buy more war wares from them?Don't remember seeing anything regarding the terms of this defence ties. Hope it is not another screwed up agreement like CECA........
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29-03-2022, 03:58 PM
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29-03-2022, 04:01 PM
29-03-2022, 05:34 PM
(29-03-2022, 10:52 AM)RiseofAsia Wrote: In the 80s, US still behaved like a gentleman. After 80s, it became a big hooligan till now.
Yes the way US behaves is analogous to its life cycle as a global superpower. In the 1980s the US was more restrained as it had to compete with Soviet Union for influence. The US offered two main value propositions to all its allies - 1) security and 2) economic development.
After the collapse of Soviet Union in 1991, there was no longer a strong viable enemy and at the same time US also reached its pinnacle of power. This meant that the original security proposition had toned down and was replaced by even more economic opportunities and benefits from globalization and technology boom. During this time, it behaved belligerently hammering anyone who disagrees knowing full well the victim cannot fight back and all its allies will just pretend to go along as long as the goodies continued.
Then came the rise of China and subsequent gradual erosion of US prestige. The US was initially complacent as they wrongly equated free market with democracy, even till the late 2000s many were still believing that China would either collapse if it failed to do political reforms (voting) or it would become just like them and continue to prosper. Starting from 2010, murmurs of China threat began and US started to take the China challenge much more seriously.
They first attempted to repeat the same formula by hyping up the China military threat and offering their "security" to other countries. Singapore's SCS saga and attempt to instigate ASEAN countries to join in took place under this backdrop. Unfortunately for them, China was not Soviet Union and was pretty much tightly integrated economically to most countries in the world. This combined with its role as a global factory and infrastructure powerhouse meant many countries were willing to take the "security risk" in exchange for economic growth and politely rejected US. Singapore's SCS humiliation is one of the many similar outcomes taking place around the world at that time.
Then came Trump and the US consensus that China is enemy #1 and no pretense otherwise. Trump tried a few economic tactics such as trade war, technology blockade and combined them with Japanese, Korean and Taiwanese shiit stirring. Unfortunately for the same reasons as above, all its allies simply paid lip service and refused to do anything tangible. This further eroded US prestige and more developing countries gained confidence to openly reject to go along with US.
By the time Biden came, the damage to US reputation was already very extensive. To make matters worse, Biden further compounded the problem by his abandonment of Afghanistan and now Ukraine which pretty much destroyed whatever security proposition the US can offer. The US is now alone without allies beyond rhetoric and forced to compete with China in areas in which it lacks opportunity and expertise - that of infrastructure, trade and social development. Things are not looking good and that is why I question how long Singapore can continue this LKY legacy foreign policy.
29-03-2022, 05:55 PM
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