Sunday littering Somme Rd park

(03-12-2024, 11:54 AM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  Singapore Park Need fine free Places sometime...next is on free, maybe not free education lehh. Pay and pay for and have to go for Sunday lesson in the class too. Rotfl I think.

Same or sama sama O also,for driver kanna fine with a few 21 points and after 21 point (i think so), then can't drive, they go back to school to learn again.
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If in case. If suai suai goon-do goon-do, if kanna, I think everyone, include me, all may not pay n pay first, but maybe have to pay from own pocket first for first (1st) lesson learn from their data base within them, in their folder file history.
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(03-12-2024, 11:06 AM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  A Fine Place is good for all to educate all those offenders, if it must be...a start with a first timer (with a fine of $300 +plus this...*Well of course some don't bother the fine , so they come out " correction work if forget the name of it to shame youseld in public sweeping the public areas wear that vest"...on." is ok if they forgotten they can then correct work again, If forget their name is ok not to remind them of their name or to shame oneself in public sweeping the public areas. (Ple wear that vest) can have alot of time saving going to count.
2nd time get caught is do CWO and go before the judge who decides the fine amount,
dont wanna pay , it will still be on record and eventually after numerous reminder letters etc, will lead to a warrant of arrest being issued

when police come find you for anything they run your IC number then you will be arrested 
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Xu Shunbo, 42 . . .  allegedly offered $150 to each officer, who rejected the bribes. If convicted, the Chinese national  . . .

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Foreigners again

Like my place the Malaysian uncle been reminded not to litter for past 7 years

But everyday, he still litter



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Why do we need 5 Mayors and 80 PAP Ministers? 
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(03-12-2024, 12:38 AM)[[ForeverAlone]] Wrote:  This is come Fine as usual. When things cannot work out well PAP will intro FINE to solve the problem. Well of course some don't bother the fine , so they come out " correction work I forget the name of it to shame you in public sweeping the public areas wear that vest I forget it label what is to tell the public you littering thus get fine for doing this " 

Now the problem it seem their civil servants are " LAZY " , just out source here and there but problem you can't always outsource your work , like that why Govt keep hiring civil servants yet their work mostly Out source.  Yet they entitle yearly mid , year end bonus , increment without fail despite even global economics is poor, private sectors suffer , outside retrenchment here and there.

This is literally Taxing more on Public Funds/Tax payer money and this is WHY we pay and pay more , also GST hike in disguise , Obviously PAP need to find ways to pay their civil servant bonus despite market is bad.

Yet littering problem, this and that problem, Flood as usual yet they always claim upgrade upgrade here and there. Obviously these civil servants is taking for granted in their comfort zone. No need to answer, just push blame to sub con.



We know that fines generate a lot of revenue while regulators try to enforce obedience. For offenders who 'feel no pain' of the fines, a Corrective Works Order along with a heftier fine to shame repeat offenders could be an effective deterrent.

There seems to be little uniformity among the various govt agencies when it comes to meting out penalties to first offenders. Let me recount an incident involving myself to highlight the difference. Some time back, I was booked for parking my car illegally along a side road within spitting distance of the Great World City.

Four cars with occupants inside were parked by the roadside marked with double yellow lines. I was in my car fiddling with my cell phone while awaiting someone. I then heard a commotion. Looking up, I saw two men standing next the car in front of mine arguing with each other. The driver of the car was disgruntled over the way the parking warden had 'crept up on' his car and stuck a parking ticket on his window without warning him first.

In the ordinary way, parking warden will wave the driver of an illegally-parked vehicle off, and will only issue a ticket if he refuses to move his car away or when a car is left unattended. Apparently, the warden had moved stealthily from vehicle to vehicle to take snapshots and issue tickets.

A parking ticket was pasted on my car's window too, but I didn't get out to confront the warden nor did I get involved in their argument which lasted a long time. I heard the warden saying he couldn't cancel the ticket as it'd already been issued, and the angry motorist replying that he would file a complaint against him.

A week later, I received a letter from the Traffic Police. As I was a first offender with a clean record, I was let off with just a warning. In the littering incident at East Coast Park, however, I was given an ultimatum after calling them up to protest I was innocent -- pay the fine or go to court to prove my innocence even though I didn't have a record. The rest, as you know, is history.

Outsourcing of jobs to specialist firms is common among some govt agencies. I believe a public official involved in contracting works out to an outside firm is made answerable for his decisions. If a firm did a bad job, he'll have to answer for it. There's no escaping his responsibility.
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(04-12-2024, 02:03 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  We know that fines generate a lot of revenue while regulators try to enforce obedience. For offenders who 'feel no pain' of the fines, a Corrective Works Order along with a heftier fine to shame repeat offenders could be an effective deterrent.

There seems to be little uniformity among the various govt agencies when it comes to meting out penalties to first offenders. Let me recount an incident involving myself to highlight the difference. Some time back, I was booked for parking my car illegally along a side road within spitting distance of the Great World City.

Four cars with occupants inside were parked by the roadside marked with double yellow lines. I was in my car fiddling with my cell phone while awaiting someone. I then heard a commotion. Looking up, I saw two men standing next the car in front of mine arguing with each other. The driver of the car was disgruntled over the way the parking warden had 'crept up on' his car and stuck a parking ticket on his window without warning him first.

In the ordinary way, parking warden will wave the driver of an illegally-parked vehicle off, and will only issue a ticket if he refuses to move his car away or when a car is left unattended. Apparently, the warden had moved stealthily from vehicle to vehicle to take snapshots and issue tickets.

A parking ticket was pasted on my car's window too, but I didn't get out to confront the warden nor did I get involved in their argument which lasted a long time. I heard the warden saying he couldn't cancel the ticket as it'd already been issued, and the angry motorist replying that he would file a complaint against him.

A week later, I received a letter from the Traffic Police. As I was a first offender with a clean record, I was let off with just a warning. In the littering incident at East Coast Park, however, I was given an ultimatum after calling them up to protest I was innocent -- pay the fine or go to court to prove my innocence even though I didn't have a record. The rest, as you know, is history.

Outsourcing of jobs to specialist firms is common among some govt agencies. I believe a public official involved in contracting works out to an outside firm is made answerable for his decisions. If a firm did a bad job, he'll have to answer for it. There's no escaping his responsibility.

Now you know what I meant by falling into a booby trap like what happened to you before lah! Big Grin You only pushed 2 empty cans aside to sit down with your gf then got caught for littering lah! There are many ways people can catch you offguard lah!
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(04-12-2024, 05:42 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Now you know what I meant by falling into a booby trap like what happened to you before lah! Big Grin You only pushed 2 empty cans aside to sit down with your gf then got caught for littering lah! There are many ways people can catch you offguard lah!

Meanwhile Chinese garden is like a rubbish dump on weekends. 🤣
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(03-12-2024, 02:45 PM)Ola Wrote:  Xu Shunbo, 42 . . .  allegedly offered $150 to each officer, who rejected the bribes. If convicted, the Chinese national  . . .

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Foreigners againLike my place the Malaysian uncle been reminded not to litter for past 7 years

But everyday, he still litter



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O is see....is good to point to those offensive and they got a fine?.
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(30-11-2024, 03:43 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  True...For him to remain in the job longer, it requires a balance... Big Grin Those who are caught littering have no way to escape the consequences. ..You and your gf fall into the category of being young and perceived as easy targets...

When to appeal: Only appeal if you are sure the fine was given in error.

What to include: Provide your full details, notice number, and sufficient documentary evidence to support your explanation.

Likelihood of success: Most appeals are rejected, so only submit one if you have a compelling reason.

Littering is a serious offense in Singapore, and the penalties include:

Fines
A first conviction can result in a fine of up to $2,000, a second conviction in a fine of up to $4,000, and a third or subsequent conviction in a fine of up to $10,000.

Corrective Work Order (CWO)
The court may also order the offender to perform unpaid cleaning work for up to 12 hours. The offender will be informed of the work to be done 14 days before it begins
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(04-12-2024, 05:11 PM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  When to appeal: Only appeal if you are sure the fine was given in error.

What to include: Provide your full details, notice number, and sufficient documentary evidence to support your explanation.

Likelihood of success: Most appeals are rejected, so only submit one if you have a compelling reason.

Littering is a serious offense in Singapore, and the penalties include:

Fines
A first conviction can result in a fine of up to $2,000, a second conviction in a fine of up to $4,000, and a third or subsequent conviction in a fine of up to $10,000.

Corrective Work Order (CWO)
The court may also order the offender to perform unpaid cleaning work for up to 12 hours. The offender will be informed of the work to be done 14 days before it begins

Littering fines in Singapore have jumped from 8,195 tickets issued in 2012 to 39,000 in 2018, with the offence of littering being a recurring one.


With the rise in littering offences in Singapore, the authorities have been stepping up their enforcement efforts to increase social graciousness and to keep Singapore clean. This article discusses the various penalties for littering offences.

Please refer to our other article to find out the penalties for high-rise littering and killer litter offences.

What is Littering?.
Littering, as defined under section 17 of the Environmental Public Health Act of Singapore (EPHA), is depositing, dropping, placing or throwing any article or thing in any public place except in a dustbin provided for the deposit of rubbish.

This includes the littering of plastic cups, tissue papers, cigarettes and rubber bands.
https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-art...singapore/
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(03-12-2024, 01:46 PM)wendychan Wrote:  2nd time get caught is do CWO and go before the judge who decides the fine amount,
dont wanna pay , it will still be on record and eventually after numerous reminder letters etc, will lead to a warrant of arrest being issued

when police come find you for anything they run your IC number then you will be arrested 
one example here :
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threa...p.6725801/

Fines:... Tongue

A first conviction can result in a fine of up to $2,000, a second conviction in a fine of up to $4,000, and a third or subsequent conviction in a fine of up to $10,000.

Corrective Work Order (CWO)
The court may also order the offender to perform unpaid cleaning work for up to 12 hours. The offender will be informed of the work to be done 14 days before it begins
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(04-12-2024, 05:57 AM)Alice Alicia Wrote:  Meanwhile Chinese garden is like a rubbish dump on weekends. 🤣

Bishan AngMoKio Park also lah! Big Grin
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(04-12-2024, 05:42 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Now you know what I meant by falling into a booby trap like what happened to you before lah! Big Grin You only pushed 2 empty cans aside to sit down with your gf then got caught for littering lah! There are many ways people can catch you offguard lah!


Your comments about the deceitfulness of certain people, including public servants, hit close to home. I found out to my cost that a parking warden should stoop so low as to resort to trickery to get very many cars booked for parking illegally.

He wasn't the general run of parking wardens who, when coming across an illegally-parked vehicle, will "give chance" and tell the driver at the wheel to drive off straightaway. This rogue warden was a different beast. He had no qualm about moving to the rear of an illegally-parked car silently and unnoticed and began snapping away which was followed by the issuance of a ticket without further ado.

'The more the merrier' seemed to be his motto. I wonder if he got a commission for each car he ticketed. Is there any real risk of going overboard with his indiscriminate ticketing of vehicles?
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you ar eparking illegally, still want to be given chance.
just dont park illegally

and sitting in your car is considered parking

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I knew parking along a road marked by double-yellow lines is a technical violation of the law even if the driver is behind the wheel. And besides, a parking warden is not obliged to show his face to the driver and ask him or her to shove off. That's why I didn't alight from my car in a huff and make an issue of it. When I've made my bed, I've to jolly well lie in it.

At issue wasn't the warden's issuance of those parking tickets but the manner in which he did it. As previously mentioned, there was a hue and cry in opposition to the warden's "creepy" way in which he went about ticketing illegally parked vehicles. The Malay motorist whose car was parked in front of mine took issue with the warden's approach and he argued with him lengthily. He said something like "I was sitting in my car talking on my handphone and you should have tapped on my window and I'll drive off. I never seen anyone behaving like you. We worship the same God but you are very despicable."

When I drove away, they were still arguing. There are limits to what people can take. An enforcer who went overboard with booking offenders came to a bad end. I'll expand on it in my next post.
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(06-12-2024, 01:31 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  I knew parking along a road marked by double-yellow lines is a technical violation of the law even if the driver is behind the wheel. And besides, a parking warden is not obliged to show his face to the driver and ask him or her to shove off. That's why I didn't alight from my car in a huff and make an issue of it. When I've made my bed, I've to jolly well lie in it.

At issue wasn't the warden's issuance of those parking tickets but the manner in which he did it. As previously mentioned, there was a hue and cry in opposition to the warden's "creepy" way in which he went about ticketing illegally parked vehicles. The Malay motorist whose car was parked in front of mine took issue with the warden's approach and he argued with him lengthily. He said something like "I was sitting in my car talking on my handphone and you should have tapped on my window and I'll drive off. I never seen anyone behaving like you. We worship the same God but you are very despicable."

When I drove away, they were still arguing. There are limits to what people can take. An enforcer who went overboard with booking offenders came to a bad end. I'll expand on it in my next post.


so the other driver expect to be warned...
and bring in this same religion, same race business.... 

there are limits to people's excuses..

again, why expect to be warned?  you see double yellow line etc,  just dont park.  unless medical emergency..
its the same with littereing. you litter, then if someone warns you that you will be fined  you pick up?
dont litter in the first place

illegal parking attititude is usally a while only BS, or i wont be fined coz the warden ssee me, will give chance first...
what BS

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(06-12-2024, 01:31 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  I knew parking along a road marked by double-yellow lines is a technical violation of the law even if the driver is behind the wheel. And besides, a parking warden is not obliged to show his face to the driver and ask him or her to shove off. That's why I didn't alight from my car in a huff and make an issue of it. When I've made my bed, I've to jolly well lie in it.

At issue wasn't the warden's issuance of those parking tickets but the manner in which he did it. As previously mentioned, there was a hue and cry in opposition to the warden's "creepy" way in which he went about ticketing illegally parked vehicles. The Malay motorist whose car was parked in front of mine took issue with the warden's approach and he argued with him lengthily. He said something like "I was sitting in my car talking on my handphone and you should have tapped on my window and I'll drive off. I never seen anyone behaving like you. We worship the same God but you are very despicable."

When I drove away, they were still arguing. There are limits to what people can take. An enforcer who went overboard with booking offenders came to a bad end. I'll expand on it in my next post.

Parking on double yellow line is illegal parking lah! Big Grin You knew it still did it so got it lah!
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(05-12-2024, 09:44 PM)wendychan Wrote:  you ar eparking illegally,  still want to be given chance.
just dont park illegally

and sitting in your car is considered parking

I ever saw a Law Enforcement Officer on motorbike quarrelling with a mobile Traffic Police lah! Big Grin The TP parked his bike on a double yellow line while attending to a traffic accident. Later he went back to his bike and saw the enforcement officer issued him a summons ticket lah! "Hello! Your bike is on the double yellow line lah!"
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It seems that an awful lot of people are in favor of parking wardens issuing parking tickets to illegally parked vehicles without further ado, regardless of whether there are occupants in the car. The question is, have the authorities come down hard on illegal parking?

One downtown area under constant surveillance is a cluster of side roads in the vicinity of Mt Elizabeth Hospital and behind Lucky Plaza. There wardens on foot patrol and riding their motorbikes make the rounds with high frequency. The generality of wardens appear to follow some sort of 'procedural steps' to make their presence felt and give drivers of illegally parked cars a second or two to drive away.

That's not taking a hard line on illegal parking, as "hard-liners" may say; that's giving chance to them. Why waste copious man-hours looking out for errant drivers only to give them a second chance? Why not also install more cameras on the streets to stem illegal parking?

At many busy streets, prominently-positioned signs with cameras warn drivers of a fine of up to $300 plus 3 demerit points for parking on the stretch of road.

These facts amply demonstrate that the regulatory authorities have taken a middle ground between harshness and leniency. People usually park illegally by the road side for a short while for reasons such as running a quick errand. If left unattended, they risk having their cars ticketed. Don't get me wrong - I don't condone illegal parking. I'm a law-abiding motorist with an immaculate driving record until I received that parking ticket but was let off with a warning.

My friend of mine owned a powder coating factory in Defu Lane many years ago. He told me during the course of our conversation that a traffic policeman used to keep a lookout for errant drivers of heavy vehicles plying the roads in the Defu/Old Tampines areas. He would book such drivers with great gusto. Speeding was at the top of the list of offences committed by truckers.

Every time a driver was caught speeding or committing other offences by the traffic cop, he had to cough up a fine equivalent to one or two days' wages, not to mention the accumulation of several demerit points, if any. Things got to the point where the cop became the 'terror' of that area. Some penalised drivers were boiling with anger.

Then one early morning when traffic was light, the traffic cop was fatally wounded in a hit-and-run accident. His huge police motorcycle was a wreck. The word on the grapevine is that he was ambushed and knocked down by a vengeful driver who was never caught. The terrible tragedy is a cautionary tale of what can happen when people reach their limit - the point where they can no longer tolerate.

In the final analysis, I think our regulators made a prudent decision in choosing the middle ground between harshness and leniency when dealing with illegal parking.
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Seldom got summons
Sometimes waived after appeal sometimes let go.

Dare not park on double yellow lines
Just unaware fire hydrant beside n continuous white line

No car owner is free from summons no matter how careful
Got a clean record cert

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(06-12-2024, 11:38 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  I ever saw a Law Enforcement Officer on motorbike quarrelling with a mobile Traffic Police lah! Big Grin The TP parked his bike on a double yellow line while attending to a traffic accident. Later he went back to his bike and saw the enforcement officer issued him a summons ticket lah! "Hello! Your bike is on the double yellow line lah!"


A law enforcer is a police officer. A police officer booking another police officer? There must be some mistake. Or was it a parking warden who followed the law to the letter and issued a parking ticket to the illegally-parked police vehicle?

Have you seen a traffic cop looking for somewhere to park his vehicle en route to an accident site or parking in a car park nearby, and then traveled on foot to the site? No right?

We've often seen a police car or motorcycle parked in close proximity to an accident vehicle with its blinking yellow light flashing to warn off passing motorists.

Evidently, they're bending the rules for an exceptional situation where emergency vehicles such as ambulances and police vehicles are allowed to be parked at the accident site for officers to attend to accident victims promptly or begin an investigation into the accident.
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(12-12-2024, 12:20 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  A law enforcer is a police officer. A police officer booking another police officer? There must be some mistake. Or was it a parking warden who followed the law to the letter and issued a parking ticket to the illegally-parked police vehicle?

Have you seen a traffic cop looking for somewhere to park his vehicle en route to an accident site or parking in a car park nearby, and then traveled on foot to the site? No right?

We've often seen a police car or motorcycle parked in close proximity to an accident vehicle with its blinking yellow light flashing to warn off passing motorists.

Evidently, they're bending the rules for an exceptional situation where emergency vehicles such as ambulances and police vehicles are allowed to be parked at the accident site for officers to attend to accident victims promptly or begin an investigation into the accident.

Every Friday you can see many vehicles  Auto Bus parked illegally on double yellow lines outside the mosques lah! Big Grin Traffic Police should saman ALL of them lah!
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(12-12-2024, 06:02 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Every Friday you can see many vehicles  Auto Bus parked illegally on double yellow lines outside the mosques lah! Big Grin Traffic Police should saman ALL of them lah!

101% agree. but then there are those who will cry discrimination etc
the rules /  laws are there
you choose to break it is yr own right

but have the balls to do something wrong, then have the same balls to accept without making a hoo har

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(12-12-2024, 06:02 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Every Friday you can see many vehicles  Auto Bus parked illegally on double yellow lines outside the mosques lah! Big Grin Traffic Police should saman ALL of them lah!


That's right - Muslims are allowed to break the law on Friday, courtesy of LTA. They can set their minds at ease as they head for their mosques for worship after parking illegally on the road outside their place of worship.

Mindful of insufficient parking in the general vicinity of the mosques to cater for large numbers of worshippers coming by their own vehicles, LTA has, as a gesture of goodwill, allowed the rule not to be followed for a brief period of time, 'turning a blind eye' to illegally-parked cars, trucks, motorcycles and motor scooters on the street, and it's free parking!

A long line of parked cars is a common sight outside schools too. Motorists, parked on roads marked by double-yellow lines or a continuous white line, wait in line to pick their kids up after school, safe in the knowledge that they won't be ticketed.

In a certain country, I'd often come across cars double-parking on the streets outside schools, creating a bottle neck on the third, outermost lane. Traffic was often chaotic for as long as one hour before class was dismissed, even with traffic wardens directing traffic.

Over here, the cars move along in an orderly fashion on a single lane, creating minimal disruption to traffic flow. As demonstrated, rules can be broken without penalty in exceptional circumstances, to the benefit of certain drivers. It's a happy compromise of a sort between the needs of state and motorists.

Well, if you are all for the rules to be obeyed to the letter and be stringently enforced at all times, then it may inconvenience some drivers and may cause extraordinary despair. In extreme cases, it can even end in murder. Remember that compromise is an inevitable part of life.
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(07-12-2024, 01:58 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  My friend of mine owned a powder coating factory in Defu Lane many years ago. He told me during the course of our conversation that a traffic policeman used to keep a lookout for errant drivers of heavy vehicles plying the roads in the Defu/Old Tampines areas. He would book such drivers with great gusto. Speeding was at the top of the list of offences committed by truckers.

Every time a driver was caught speeding or committing other offences by the traffic cop, he had to cough up a fine equivalent to one or two days' wages, not to mention the accumulation of several demerit points, if any. Things got to the point where the cop became the 'terror' of that area. Some penalised drivers were boiling with anger.

Then one early morning when traffic was light, the traffic cop was fatally wounded in a hit-and-run accident. His huge police motorcycle was a wreck. The word on the grapevine is that he was ambushed and knocked down by a vengeful driver who was never caught. The terrible tragedy is a cautionary tale of what can happen when people reach their limit - the point where they can no longer tolerate.

In the final analysis, I think our regulators made a prudent decision in choosing the middle ground between harshness and leniency when dealing with illegal parking.
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(12-12-2024, 06:19 AM)wendychan Wrote:  101% agree. but then there are those who will cry discrimination etc
the rules /  laws are there
you choose to break it is yr own right

but have the balls to do something wrong, then have the same balls to accept without making a hoo har

(13-12-2024, 12:48 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  That's right - Muslims are allowed to break the law on Friday, courtesy of LTA. They can set their minds at ease as they head for their mosques for worship after parking illegally on the road outside their place of worship.

Mindful of insufficient parking in the general vicinity of the mosques to cater for large numbers of worshippers coming by their own vehicles, LTA has, as a gesture of goodwill, allowed the rule not to be followed for a brief period of time, 'turning a blind eye' to illegally-parked cars, trucks, motorcycles and motor scooters on the street, and it's free parking!

A long line of parked cars is a common sight outside schools too. Motorists, parked on roads marked by double-yellow lines or a continuous white line, wait in line to pick their kids up after school, safe in the knowledge that they won't be ticketed.

In a certain country, I'd often come across cars double-parking on the streets outside schools, creating a bottle neck on the third, outermost lane. Traffic was often chaotic for as long as one hour before class was dismissed, even with traffic wardens directing traffic.

Over here, the cars move along in an orderly fashion on a single lane, creating minimal disruption to traffic flow. As demonstrated, rules can be broken without penalty in exceptional circumstances, to the benefit of certain drivers. It's a happy compromise of a sort between the needs of state and motorists.

Well, if you are all for the rules to be obeyed to the letter and be stringently enforced at all times, then it may inconvenience some drivers and may cause extraordinary despair. In extreme cases, it can even end in murder. Remember that compromise is an inevitable part of life.

During Cheng Meng, most Chinese will go to cemetery and Mandai columbarium to pay respects to their deceased ancestors but nobody dares to park on double yellow lines leh! Big Grin Maybe they scared of Muslims lah!
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I know of a disgusting man in his late 60s or early 70s who refused to throw his packet of plastic bag drink into the bin, even if the bin is in front of him. Saw him talking to his neighbour in mandarin at the void deck of a 3- room HDB and sounds normal like a hooman though.
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(13-12-2024, 09:28 AM)Wy:Nox Wrote:  I know of a disgusting man in his late 60s or early 70s who refused to throw his packet of plastic bag drink into the bin, even if the bin is in front of him. Saw him talking to his neighbour in mandarin at the void deck of a 3- room HDB and sounds normal like a hooman though.

lots of people like this here locals and foreigners

1st world country only  in GDP but with majority 3rd world behaviour  residents

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