[RichDad]

From reliable sources, we know that the oldest member here is 35 years old, and the youngest one is 16 years old.

And yet, all here are pretending to face discrimination.

Really shake head.

Totally unreliable sources. Should be youngest 35, oldest 85   

[debono]

Totally unreliable sources. Should be youngest 35, oldest 85   

Yeah, you are spot on......

[Ola]

Why do we  need so many FTs here.....?

Basically, PAP does not need so many FTs, it is just a WANT due to greed.

PAP blamed ( to be specific Chan CS)  the business for all these " wants" when it is PAP at 100% fault for issuing the EP themselves.

PAP lied ( V Bala) to say SG will die if we remove ALL FTs ( which no one ever mentioned) to stir up more hatred when we want them to REDUCE FTs.

Other Ministers in other countries can stand up tall and proud in front of their own citizens while PAP can only WAYANG all the way with a face mask.


Proven that PAP Ministers are indeed FAILURES as compared to the world to have EXCESs FTs for the past 10 years under FREE EASY Flow disguised under Employment Pass.

[Tangsen]

Needed to have a new mindset.

Only one mindset in the corporate world Profit/Loss

[Ola]

Middle- age and old cannot get jobs because it is given to FTs.

Just look at Jobstreet, only 1 Vacancy for BD-

[ODA TETSURO]

Hard truth...

[Tangsen]

Middle- age and old cannot get jobs because it is given to FTs.

Just look at Jobstreet, only 1 Vacancy for BD-

who did you voted for?

[debono]

who did you voted for?

No matter who you voted for, the result will come out the same, the MIW will be the majority and thus they become the govt. of the day.....It is a waste of our effort to hope for a change of govt......

[Tangsen]

No matter who you voted for, the result will come out the same, the MIW will be the majority and thus they become the govt. of the day.....It is a waste of our effort to hope for a change of govt......

We saw the result, put in more opposite they will scramble around to support Singaporeans ….. the current state is we did not put in enough opposition … get in SDP and PSP …. then the waltz begins 

[debono]

We saw the result, put in more opposite they will scramble around to support Singaporeans ….. the current state is we did not put in enough opposition … get in SDP and PSP …. then the waltz begins 

You have a point there, we need to field more opposition parties but chances of becoming the next govt. is an impossible dream...

[Tangsen]

You have a point there, we need to field more opposition parties but chances of becoming the next govt. is an impossible dream...

Bery dangerous to change a gov but make parliament 45% opposition …. they will wake up

[FangFang]

Even GOVT create training opportunity but the business world is real.

[RichDad]

Bery dangerous to change a gov but make parliament 45% opposition …. they will wake up

Change of gahmen may not be a bad idea for the longer term. In the short term, yes, there should be some uncertainty , just like when PAP first won. But I think our system can carry us through. We are in a much stronger position now then in 1959. A coalition gahmen might be a good idea.

I think we need a complete overhaul. Get rid of dead wood and stale mindsets .Many things like fixed mindsets, parachuting scholars, riding on coat tails into parliament, group think among the MPs and ministers, cronyism, non accountability, etc, etc, should be shaken up.

Change is the only constant in life. Without change, we will all perish.

[maxsanic]

At the end of the day, there's really no other way to stop ageism except by legislation and a massive reduction in foreign imports.

The reality is most people cannot move up the career ladder beyond a junior managerial professional level in a company. Without explicit intervention from the government, companies are not going to waste time hiring a 50+ years guy when they have plenty of mid and early 30s to choose from.

There's a big difference in terms of experience, skills and professional network between a 24 year old fresh grad and a 38 year old experienced manager / senior engineer, but almost no discernable difference between a 38 year and a 55 year old manager / senior engineer. So companies cannot be expected to hire more expensive and less responsive to change senior workers when they can get a similar if not better product at a lower price.

That's the giant pink elephant in the room that the governmnet is pretending not to know. Instead they are tip toeing around the elephant doing peripheral things such as Skillsfuture /SGUS, mapping out career pathways, setting up jobs bank etc. without actually addressing the main issue. That's why lots of action and no results after so many years.

[hansamu]

By and large, it is a truism that it is near impossible for a senior with the relevant qualifications to find a decent  job.
Those oldies without qualifications may even have difficulty settling for an unskilled position. 

The palpable bias against seniors seeking employment is certainly out there .

[mikotan]

another slap in the face is to increase the retirement age, without addressing how to ensure re-employment of these workers if they got retrenched.

[Ola]

who did you voted for?

I am logical.

When standing at the voting booth, I ask myself how many GRCs will be under Opposition. 

Mathematically, even if we have 30% or 50% votes, it is still PAP with 80% seats, lah

So, I just stamp "X" on any opposition.

[Tangsen]

I am logical.

When standing at the voting booth, I ask myself how many GRCs will be under Opposition. 

Mathematically, even if we have 30% or 50% votes, it is still PAP with 80% seats, lah

So, I just stamp "X" on any opposition.

I don't into that much detail ….. I "X" on anything not Pest And Parasites

[Sharexchange]

I not asking a lot..actually why sweeping cleaner dont have even $2500. I will do 5 days week.

[Tangsen]

I not asking a lot..actually why sweeping cleaner dont have even $2500. I will do 5 days week.

Because they exploit cheap foreign workers with low salary to line their pockets with money.

[keys]

well i can only speak for myself

1, learning span gets lowered bec of age ... asking Me to pick up troubleshooting codes and SDK codes etc on my own I dont go very far ...i read and read and try I simply dont get it ... sometimes going in circles ...and many circles
2, need a lot of hand holding..need patience and guidance from younger and more competent collegue
3, Now a days ..I sleep less at night and during the day ..I get tired easily ... some times have to take quick naps after a meal..Biology is really fighting against you ...i dunno about you ..but around late 40s..the damn body need to wake up at 4am to take a piss...with out f fail...wtH....
4, body aches when you spend too much time infront of the computer and also health is affected

Only thing going for me
1, I got great collegue who is patience understanding and willing to guide me, but i have to put in the effort ,time and 0 BS to catch up
2, I admire these young people and respect them ..and urge them to become leaders and managers
3 I dont give trouble to anyone and try my best not to make mistakes
4i try to sleep as much during the weekend

that is why ... I dont believe in working till I die, we are not robots... at some point in life ...we need to slow down and adapt

at the moment i am 40+strap on a rocketship... to the moon ...with my younger team...cool

[debono]

Bery dangerous to change a gov but make parliament 45% opposition …. they will wake up

Change of gahmen may not be a bad idea for the longer term. In the short term, yes, there should be some uncertainty , just like when PAP first won. But I think our system can carry us through. We are in a much stronger position now then in 1959. A coalition gahmen might be a good idea.

I think we need a complete overhaul. Get rid of dead wood and stale mindsets .Many things like fixed mindsets, parachuting scholars, riding on coat tails into parliament, group think among the MPs and ministers, cronyism, non accountability, etc, etc, should be shaken up.

Change is the only constant in life. Without change, we will all perish.

You guys are right, we need a stronger opposition in Parliament. Perhaps a coalition garment is preferred, where there will be constant debating in all Parliamentary sittings.....

[Ola]

At the end of the day, there's really no other way to stop ageism except by legislation and a massive reduction in foreign imports.

The reality is most people cannot move up the career ladder beyond a junior managerial professional level in a company. Without explicit intervention from the government, companies are not going to waste time hiring a 50+ years guy when they have plenty of mid and early 30s to choose from.

There's a big difference in terms of experience, skills and professional network between a 24 year old fresh grad and a 38 year old experienced manager / senior engineer, but almost no discernable difference between a 38 year and a 55 year old manager / senior engineer. So companies cannot be expected to hire more expensive and less responsive to change senior workers when they can get a similar if not better product at a lower price.

That's the giant pink elephant in the room that the governmnet is pretending not to know. Instead they are tip toeing around the elephant doing peripheral things such as Skillsfuture /SGUS, mapping out career pathways, setting up jobs bank etc. without actually addressing the main issue. That's why lots of action and no results after so many years.

PAP purposely intentionally PLANNED to want the middle- age and elderly to be jobless. 

If we look at their policies-

1) EP for those FTs earning above $4500 and NO CAP

2) EP holders can bring their Dependents

3) EP has no levies nor quota, nor any form of control

4) My Careers Future is created for FTs, not for us

5) Call them "Talents" so that are Upper Class

6) PAP even use Parliament to Defend them

7) 12% EP holders can get PR status annually

8) Send middle -age locals for garbage courses but no jobs

9) Raise the RE- Employment age to 70 years old

gov.sg | Whats the difference between retirement age and re-employment age (www.gov.sg)



PAP can WAYANG all they want, but their ACTIONS speak louder than words for the past 6 or 10 years.


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[babygirl]

Change of gahmen may not be a bad idea for the longer term. In the short term, yes, there should be some uncertainty , just like when PAP first won. But I think our system can carry us through. We are in a much stronger position now then in 1959. A coalition gahmen might be a good idea.

I think we need a complete overhaul. Get rid of dead wood and stale mindsets .Many things like fixed mindsets, parachuting scholars, riding on coat tails into parliament, group think among the MPs and ministers, cronyism, non accountability, etc, etc, should be shaken up.

Change is the only constant in life. Without change, we will all perish.

[debono]

PAP purposely intentionally PLANNED to want the middle- age and elderly to be jobless. 

If we look at their policies-

1) EP for those FTs earning above $4500 and NO CAP

2) EP holders can bring their Dependents

3) EP has no levies nor quota, nor any form of control

4) My Careers Future is created for FTs, not for us

5) Call them "Talents" so that are Upper Class

6) PAP even use Parliament to Defend them

7) 12% EP holders can get PR status annually

8) Send middle -age locals for garbage courses but no jobs

9) Raise the RE- Employment age to 70 years old

gov.sg | Whats the difference between retirement age and re-employment age (www.gov.sg)



PAP can WAYANG all they want, but their ACTIONS speak louder than words for the past 6 or 10 years.


.

The statutory age is 62, and that employers cannot dismiss an employee that is below that age.  But there is loophole, instead of dismissing them which is illegal, they resort to retrenchments.......

[maxsanic]

PAP purposely intentionally PLANNED to want the middle- age and elderly to be jobless. 

If we look at their policies-

1) EP for those FTs earning above $4500 and NO CAP

2) EP holders can bring their Dependents

3) EP has no levies nor quota, nor any form of control

4) My Careers Future is created for FTs, not for us

5) Call them "Talents" so that are Upper Class

6) PAP even use Parliament to Defend them

7) 12% EP holders can get PR status annually

8) Send middle -age locals for garbage courses but no jobs

9) Raise the RE- Employment age to 70 years old

gov.sg | Whats the difference between retirement age and re-employment age (www.gov.sg)



PAP can WAYANG all they want, but their ACTIONS speak louder than words for the past 6 or 10 years.


.

I think saying PAP planned to make middle aged PMEs jobless purposely is a stretch. 

What I think happened is they came up with these policies first to attract foreign direct investments to maintain GDP growth and liberally foreigners to join us as citizens in order to plug the population gap. They were banking on the fact that by coming up with some incentives and upgrading programs they can either upskill Singaporeans to even higher positions (for e.g. from Accountant to CFO, from Manager to Director / SVP etc.) or failing which convert the rest to other jobs in other industries so that at least they can still survive.

Unfortunately, reality is far different from their ivory tower fantasies:

1) The employment incentives given were nowhere near as attractive  as getting cheap labour from places like India and Philippines for companies.

2) Vast majority of the people simply did not have the IQ/EQ to move up to senior leadership / specialist positions no matter how much training you throw at them.

3) The vast majority of PMEs who were in structural unemployment simply couldn't compete with the cheap imports and were laid off.

4) The ratio of re-training / mid career conversion success is pathetically low as companies were simply not interested in hiring a 45 year old entry level worker without relevant experience.

5) Many older workers simply found it hard to totally change their line of thinking and pick up new skills in a totally different environment. It's not just a simple matter of attributing this to stubbornness or laziness, sometimes it's really the character and mental already cast there, even want to change also must take very long time.

6) Emergence of PHV driving and Food Panda types simply drove vast numbers of Singaporeans to do such low end freelance jobs as at least it guarantees some income instead of wasting time spending a year on training, then go for endless interviews with only slim chance of getting a job.