[theold]

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthc...021-10-28/

[theold]

Here it is very easy for vaccinated to be infected even if they are vaccinated one month ago.

[debono]

Here it is very easy for vaccinated to be infected even if they are vaccinated one month ago.

But here why does the garment 'insist' that we get at least 2 jabs of the vaccine...?

[Sentinel]

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthc...021-10-28/

Seriously though, I really dun know WTF this article is writing about, it is deliberately skirting the real issue....and that is, VACCINE (in their case, mRNA) is ineffective and useless against Delta plus and there is no such a thing as Herd Immunity

As if this is even news...

[theold]

But here why does the garment 'insist' that we get at least 2 jabs of the vaccine...?

That is the standard based on the earlier virus. The precision vaccine is developed when Delta is not around.

[theold]

This is about natural immunity. So far those vaccinated with Pfizer can get infected even after 1 month of vaccination and they can transfer around. It takes 8-10 days.

However, one needs to know that during the first 5 days, the virus is very strong. I believe for inactivated vaccines there are fighting with the viruses from day 1. It takes up to 4 days to win the battle.

Wait till I know more.

[debono]

That is the standard based on the earlier virus. The precision vaccine is developed when Delta is not around.

At least it is effective in protecting the earlier virus. If we are swamp with covid-19 delta plus, then we will see which vaccine is suitable for use....

[FangFang]

No where to hide already.

[Sticw]

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthc...021-10-28/

This report kind of confirms my hunch earlier when I wanted to observe if NZ had more cases after Pfizer vaccination. mRNA does not have virus shedding unlike inactivated vaccines however, the modification to your immune system somehow allows virus to actually hitch a ride and mutate to Delta or be a carrier for Delta or further mutation.

I think govt all over the world should review the use of mRNA. Unless there's some other agenda that we are unaware of for the need to get everyone on mRNA. Preparation for disease or virus X?

[Sticw]

BTW, pmo should pofma moh for saying that unvaccinated spreads the virus more than vaccinated as most of the research out there highlighted that viral load is the same doesn't matter whether you are vaccinated or not.

If it's a false statement, it should never have been released especially if you are a govt source.

Moh can say that vaccination in general prevents serious implications from covid infection but cannot point finger at unvaccinated for spreading covid.

I'm vaccinated, so no vested interest in this.

[maxsanic]

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthc...021-10-28/

The problem with all these drama, confusion and flip flops is really the over promising of the mRNA vaccine efficacy right at the start.

Put it this way, many people take flu vaccine shots every year as well, but lots of people still get it in the end, but there isn't much drama over it. Besides the fact common flu is not so deadly, there is also a very important factor which is everyone has a more realistic expectation on what a flu vaccine can do, i.e. it will help but is not the panacea of everything.

Contrast this with Pfizer and Moderna, going around promising the supposedly revolutionary mRNA technique which can increase efficacy to 95% infection protection, 92% critical condition and 93% death prevention (this sort of level is obviously very rare especially when we know that WHO only needs 50%). Rightly or wrongly common laymen who don't know much about virology including policy decision makers such as politicians / bureaucrats are given the impression that once vaccination is done they can expect a 95% reduction in new cases and among those infected vast majority should be all ok no need hospitalization close to zero deaths.

But as more and more real life data comes in, it doesn't seem to reflect the sales pitch. While definitely these vaccines do help to protect in statistically significant ways, it is nowhere near as what was being advertised and what was advertised was actually the basis of the decision to "live with COVID" in the first place. Unfortunately things have now come to what they are now and it's not possible to admit wrongdoing and turn back, so the only choice left is to double down the propaganda of "living with COVID" and restart another 3rd or even 4th shot of vaccination.

In an "ideal" world without China, everyone would most likely have accepted it as an incontrollable act of nature and live goes on. But now the problem is China is like this giant white elephant walking around the store and everyone is trying very hard not to acknowledge its presence. It's infection and death rate other than the initial burst when the virus was discovered are so preposterously low that any government that chooses the "live with COVID" way is forced to constantly consciously or subconsciously defend their decision at every turn.

In a strange sense this government legitimacy crisis isn't as bad in a lot of western democracies because government expectations are far lower (they value freedom and keeping the government's powers in check than public health). Not forming a moral judgement on who is right or wrong here, but that's the culture and social expectations over there. 

However here in Singapore we have a big problem. The Singapore government has always justified its authoritarian leanings and super high remuneration by invoking world class bleeding edge government effectiveness, i.e. the ability of the government to get things done at tip top standards, don't have gold also at least should have silver or bronze. That is the social contract Singaporeans have with the government - we tolerate your snobbishness, your curtailment of civil rights and pay you top dollar and in return you deliver top materialistic and creature comforts to us and our families. Singaporeans have also been very compliant and cooperative with government instructions compared to a the rest of world.

Unfortunately, all we have seen for the past two years is mediocre or at best, above average, pandemic handling results. There is only one way to do a decent job and still incur the wrath of your customers and that is to over promise. In Singapore's case, the gap between expectations and reality is gargantuanly wide, we expected minimally an A1 across all metrices if not a top in school medal, but ended up with a mix of B3 to C6 type of results across the board.

[watchfirst9]

No or very mild symptoms may result more people ignore it,
therefore spread it like wild fire.

Limit number of gathering is necessary unless tools to reduce
the transmission are implements.
So far very few such measures are carried out.

[debono]

No or very mild symptoms may result more people ignore it,
therefore spread it like wild fire.

Limit number of gathering is necessary unless tools to reduce
the transmission are implements.
So far very few such measures are carried out.

I concur...

[Teeth53]

Ministry of Health (MOH) announced on Tuesday (Oct 26) that an imported case has been confirmed to be infected with the AY.4.2 Delta subvariant.

The AY.4.2 subvariant was reported to be spreading rapidly in the United Kingdom this month and is said to be 10-15 per cent more infectious than its parent, the Delta variant.

[debono]

Ministry of Health (MOH) announced on Tuesday (Oct 26) that an imported case has been confirmed to be infected with the AY.4.2 Delta subvariant.

The AY.4.2 subvariant was reported to be spreading rapidly in the United Kingdom this month and is said to be 10-15 per cent more infectious than its parent, the Delta variant.

Are they referring to  the AY.4.2 Delta subvariant  as Delta plus...?

[Teeth53]

Are they referring to  the AY.4.2 Delta subvariant  as Delta plus...?

It already caught one in Singapore.

[WhatDoYouThink?]

That is the standard based on the earlier virus. The precision vaccine is developed when Delta is not around.

is it like in ww2, the goondo soldiers set up defence base along the south shore but the enemy attacked from the north?