Why SIA SQ321 didn't equip with radar systems to reduce effect of air turbulence?
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.Why SIA SQ321 didn't equip with radar systems to reduce effect of air turbulence?

SIA claims all their planes are less than 3 years old..

"Is there any technology to help predict or mitigate turbulence?

 Modern aircraft are equipped with advanced weather radar systems that help in detecting storm-related turbulence. Some newer models, like Boeing's 787, also include technology designed to reduce the effects of turbulence."
https://www.google.com/search?q=can+pilo...turbulence&oq=can+pilot+radar+detect+air+turbulence+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORifBTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRifBTIHCAQQIRifBdIBCTE5Mzg1ajBqNKgCDrACAQ&client=ms-android-oppo-rvo3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#:~:text=Is%20there%20any%20technology%20to%20help%20predict%20or%20mitigate%20turbulence%3F%20Modern%20aircraft%20are%20equipped%20with%20advanced%20weather%20radar%20systems%20that%20help%20in%20detecting%20storm%2Drelated%20turbulence.%20Some%20newer%20models%2C%20like%20Boeing%27s%20787%2C%20also%20include%20technology%20designed%20to%20reduce%20the%20effects%20of%20turbulence.
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Radar in a plane detect turbulence?? Then need geoweather station systems for what?!
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(22-05-2024, 11:58 AM)Scythian Wrote:  .Why SIA SQ321 didn't equip with radar systems to reduce effect of air turbulence?

SIA claims all their planes are less than 3 years old..

"Is there any technology to help predict or mitigate turbulence?

 Modern aircraft are equipped with advanced weather radar systems that help in detecting storm-related turbulence. Some newer models, like Boeing's 787, also include technology designed to reduce the effects of turbulence."
https://www.google.com/search?q=can+pilo...turbulence&oq=can+pilot+radar+detect+air+turbulence+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORifBTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRifBTIHCAQQIRifBdIBCTE5Mzg1ajBqNKgCDrACAQ&client=ms-android-oppo-rvo3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#:~:text=Is%20there%20any%20technology%20to%20help%20predict%20or%20mitigate%20turbulence%3F%20Modern%20aircraft%20are%20equipped%20with%20advanced%20weather%20radar%20systems%20that%20help%20in%20detecting%20storm%2Drelated%20turbulence.%20Some%20newer%20models%2C%20like%20Boeing%27s%20787%2C%20also%20include%20technology%20designed%20to%20reduce%20the%20effects%20of%20turbulence.

Do u know what causes turbulence or not? Can radar detect air?
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(22-05-2024, 12:34 PM)red3 Wrote:  Radar in a plane detect turbulence?? Then need geoweather station systems for what?!

I believe the plane radar should be able to detect storm clouds (where turbulence usually occurs).
Otherwise how are pilots able to give prior warning to belt up before entering such zones.


https://simpleflying.com/weather-radar-s...nce-guide/
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(22-05-2024, 12:49 PM)winbig Wrote:  Do u know what causes turbulence or not? Can radar detect air?

"They include reviewing weather forecasts, having pilots report when they encounter turbulence and suspending cabin service when planes hit rough air. Pilots use a variety of methods to avoid turbulence, including using a weather radar display. Sometimes they can simply see and fly around thunderstorms.
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https://abcnews.go.com › wireStory
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https://www.google.com/search?q=how+pilo...turbulence&oq=how+pilot+warns+passenger+about+air+turbulence+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORifBTIJCAEQIRgKGKABMgkIAhAhGAoYoAEyCQgDECEYChigATIJCAQQIRgKGKABMgcIBRAhGJ8FMgcIBhAhGJ8FMgcIBxAhGJ8FMgcICBAhGJ8FMgcICRAhGJ8FMgcIChAhGJ8FMgcICxAhGJ8F0gEJMjQ0MjZqMGo0qAIOsAIB&client=ms-android-oppo-rvo3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#:~:text=They%20include%20reviewing,it%20become%20dangerous%20...
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(22-05-2024, 01:04 PM)Scythian Wrote:  "They include reviewing weather forecasts, having pilots report when they encounter turbulence and suspending cabin service when planes hit rough air. Pilots use a variety of methods to avoid turbulence, including using a weather radar display. Sometimes they can simply see and fly around thunderstorms.
1 hour ago
https://abcnews.go.com › wireStory
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https://www.google.com/search?q=how+pilo...turbulence&oq=how+pilot+warns+passenger+about+air+turbulence+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORifBTIJCAEQIRgKGKABMgkIAhAhGAoYoAEyCQgDECEYChigATIJCAQQIRgKGKABMgcIBRAhGJ8FMgcIBhAhGJ8FMgcIBxAhGJ8FMgcICBAhGJ8FMgcICRAhGJ8FMgcIChAhGJ8FMgcICxAhGJ8F0gEJMjQ0MjZqMGo0qAIOsAIB&client=ms-android-oppo-rvo3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#:~:text=They%20include%20reviewing,it%20become%20dangerous%20...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear-air_turbulence
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(22-05-2024, 12:49 PM)winbig Wrote:  Do u know what causes turbulence or not? Can radar detect air?

Read it happen above Indian Ocean
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Turbulence are caused by air pockets. Cant be seen but experienced pilot know how to handle.


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This Chinese site screen captured the CNA broadcast that shows the plane had flew into (or over) a storm cloud that could be the culprit.

最新消息:数据分析新航321航班严重颠簸,坐飞机还安全吗?
https://new.qq.com/rain/a/20240522A03NQQ00
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(22-05-2024, 01:18 PM)Niubee Wrote:  Turbulence are caused by air pockets. Cant be seen but experienced pilot know how to handle.

So, this SIA pilot is a novice.
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This is worse than severe turbulence



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(22-05-2024, 11:58 AM)Scythian Wrote:  .Why SIA SQ321 didn't equip with radar systems to reduce effect of air turbulence?

SIA claims all their planes are less than 3 years old..

"Is there any technology to help predict or mitigate turbulence?

Are you sure this SIA's Boeing 777 does not have weather radar system? Who took them out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sOcskanw3I&ab_channel=MrIFixPlanes

Do you know that there are Clear Air Turbulances (CAT) that is undetectable by radar system? Some instrument on the ground might be able to detect CAT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear-air_turbulence



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(22-05-2024, 01:30 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote:  This is worse than severe turbulence



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Everyone already collected their yearly bonuses so, 
Will that be rescinded
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(22-05-2024, 01:29 PM)Scythian Wrote:  So, this SIA pilot is a novice.

Most impt question seems nobody is asking..... is the pilots a bunch of CECA flyers?

Do they know how to "thread a needle" (fly thru/above several gloomy clouds for safe space)
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Air turbulence is moving all the time. By the time , the plane gets to the Longitude and Latitude, the turbulence  strength/ speed may have changed.
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(22-05-2024, 05:27 PM)Wy:Nox Wrote:  Air turbulence is moving all the time. By the time , the plane gets to the Longitude and Latitude, the turbulence  strength/ speed may have changed.

It's ridiculous for world's best airlines exposing extremely bad example to the transport industry.
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The plane costing US$20 mio to US$40 mio cannot afford to fix radar systems - must be joking
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(22-05-2024, 06:42 PM)Scythian Wrote:  The plane costing US$20 mio to US$40 mio cannot afford to fix radar systems - must be joking

I think the plane was at least 200m probably higher this few years of inflation.
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(22-05-2024, 06:42 PM)Scythian Wrote:  The plane costing US$20 mio to US$40 mio cannot afford to fix radar systems - must be joking

are u 100% sure radar will fix turbulence issue ?


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(22-05-2024, 07:01 PM)Niubee Wrote:  are u 100% sure radar will fix turbulence issue ?

I think he meant detect not fix.
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(22-05-2024, 07:01 PM)Niubee Wrote:  are u 100% sure radar will fix turbulence issue ?

Obviously he has never seen a real radar before and dunno anything about how it works and spread of weather turbulence.      Rolleyes

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(22-05-2024, 07:04 PM)sgh Wrote:  I think he meant detect not fix.

Detect is one thing. Skill to evade the air pockets is another thing.


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(22-05-2024, 01:30 PM)lvlrsSTI Wrote:  This is worse than severe turbulence



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Can you see eBay is selling used plane radar systems?

How much does it cost for 2nd hand or used?
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Weather radar is required to be equipped on passenger planes by international regulations. 

International Regulations:
  1. U.S. Regulations:
  2. How Weather Radar Works:
    • The onboard weather radar consists of:
      • A transmitter
      • A receiver
      • An antenna
      • Cockpit controls and display
    • The radar works on the echo principle: The transmitter produces a signal reflected by water droplets in clouds. The receiver processes these reflected signals to provide weather displays to pilots.
    • The radar beam width is narrow (about 3 degrees) to accurately detect weather conditions ahead of the aircraft. Narrow beams are essential for proper interpretation.
    • The radar operates at a high frequency (around 9375 MHz) to achieve accurate weather interpretation4.
In summary, weather radar is a critical piece of equipment for safe aviation, and international regulations mandate its use on passenger planes.

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(22-05-2024, 07:06 PM)Niubee Wrote:  Detect is one thing. Skill to evade the air pockets is another thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVqSqVivJr4
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(22-05-2024, 12:49 PM)winbig Wrote:  Do u know what causes turbulence or not? Can radar detect air?

US make latest Boeing 787 model plane have, can detect turbulence.... Big Grin
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Many old folks here don't know how to use Google?



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(24-05-2024, 06:21 AM)Tee tiong huat Wrote:  US make latest Boeing 787 model plane have, can detect turbulence.... Big Grin

Yes. The advanced radar systems on Boeing 787 at the cockpit combined with ground station database chart will able to either avoid turbulence or prewarn passengers to fasten their seat belts.

But SIA SQ321 Captain could be doing something else..IE only his co-pilot knows.
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(24-05-2024, 07:06 AM)Scythian Wrote:  Yes. The advanced radar systems on Boeing 787 at the cockpit combined with ground station database chart will able to either avoid turbulence or prewarn passengers to fasten their seat belts.

But SIA SQ321 Captain could be doing something else..IE only his co-pilot knows.

Boeing 787 after the last svc problems is solved, now  Clapping Thumbsup
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