who is the real god? A, B, or both or none?
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(05-12-2024, 08:30 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Hello Hope...long time no hear. Peace be with you!

Hadith literature emphasizes the importance of memorizing the Quran and the virtues associated with it. Here are a few key points derived from various hadiths regarding the memorization of the Quran:

Status of the Huffaz: The memorizer of the Quran, known as a Hafiz or Hafiza (for females), is given a high status in Islam. It is reported that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said that those who memorize the Quran will be in the company of noble and righteous angels (Hadith in Sahih Muslim). Where are the angels? In paradise obviously!!

Intercession: The Quran is said to intercede for its memorizer on the Day of Judgment. A hadith mentions that the Quran will be a source of intercession for the one who memorized it (Hadith in Ahmad and Ibn Majah).

Reward for Memorization: There are references in hadith that indicate every letter of the Quran brings a reward. Thus, memorizing the Quran is seen as a means to earn immense rewards from Allah. 

Encouragement to Teach and Learn: The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) stated that the best among the believers are those who learn the Quran and teach it (Hadith in Sahih Bukhari).
I was away for few weeks. Peace and mercy upon you too.

No mention about going to heaven.

Where are the angels? There are angels around every human Allah has created.At least two and above. 

Reading,Reciting, listening, memorising Quran brings reward. Even you get rewards for reading translated verses.
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#32

(05-12-2024, 08:41 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Is Allah a Father?
Judaism and Christianity address God as the Father...why in the final relevation revealed by Allah did he rejected this name?

Did Muhammad check with the previous scriptures to see if his revelations align with them?
Allah is not a human to have offspring.

“Father” is an English word which Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon, Jesus and other prophets never use in their life time.
Allah revealed the final revelation in Arabic.We have been using the same word as used by prophet Muhammad.So you should Question your Authors not Allah or Prophet Muhammad.

And say, “All praise is for Allah, Who has never had ˹any˺ offspring;nor does He have a partner in ˹governing˺ the kingdom;nor is He pathetic, needing a protector.And revere Him immensely.”Quran 17:111
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“And among His signs are the ships like MOUNTAIN 
˹sailing˺ in the sea.”Quran 42:32



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Length
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Gross tonnage
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Cruise ship
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Container ship
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Aircraft carrier
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“If He wills, He can calm the wind, leaving the ships motionless on the water. Surely in this are signs for whoever is steadfast, grateful”Quran 42:33

Or He can wreck the ships for what the people have committed—though He forgives much—Quran 42:34

so those who dispute about Our signs may know that they have no refuge.Quran 42:35
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(05-12-2024, 09:49 PM)Hope Wrote:  Allah is not a human to have offspring.

“Father” is an English word which Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon, Jesus and other prophets never use in their life time.
Allah revealed the final revelation in Arabic.We have been using the same word as used by prophet Muhammad.So you should Question your Authors not Allah or Prophet Muhammad.

And say, “All praise is for Allah, Who has never had ˹any˺ offspring;nor does He have a partner in ˹governing˺ the kingdom;nor is He pathetic, needing a protector.And revere Him immensely.”Quran 17:111

OK.. Jesus uses " Abba" to address God. Is Abba one of Allah's 99 names?
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#35

(05-12-2024, 09:43 PM)Hope Wrote:  I was away for few weeks. Peace and mercy upon you too.

No mention about going to heaven.

Where are the angels? There are angels around every human Allah has created.At least two and above. 

Reading,Reciting, listening, memorising Quran brings reward. Even you get rewards for reading translated verses.

You mention that you have memorised the Quran.
First..which Quran are you memorizing? I say this as there are some 26 different Qurans on the market in various countries in the Middle East all saying different things....

Secondly, the written Quran we have today is not the same as the manuscript evidence for the Quran. Thus from a textual point of view, the Quran is not from a divine source..do you think so?
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#36

(05-12-2024, 11:24 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  OK.. Jesus uses " Abba" to address God. Is Abba one of Allah's 99 names?
“abba”?
Please quote your bible verse.

Allah has only one name. Those 99 are his attributes.
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#37

(05-12-2024, 11:41 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  You mention that you have memorised the Quran.
First..which Quran are you memorizing? I say this as there are some 26 different Qurans on the market in various countries in the Middle East all saying different things....

Secondly, the written Quran we have today is not the same as the manuscript evidence for the Quran. Thus from a textual point of view, the Quran is not from a divine source..do you think so?

We have only one Quran .


“These are Allah’s revelations which We recite to you 
˹O Prophet˺ in truth. So what message will they believe in after ˹denying˺ Allah and His revelations?”Quran 45:6



“He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise—they are the foundation of the Book—while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations—but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺—it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason.”Quran 3:7
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#38

(06-12-2024, 12:43 AM)Hope Wrote:  “abba”?
Please quote your bible verse.

Allah has only one name. Those 99 are his attributes.

Mark 14:36: “And He [Jesus] said, 'Abba Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will. '” Romans 8:15: “For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, 'Abba, Father.

If Abba is not one of Allah's names...then Jesus is not praying to Allah..do you agree?
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#39

If there is God, he shd be put to hell, He created something that cause us suffering..

i think he is either blind or deaf most likely a retard.. Now he is hiding in heaven,, dare not come down to solve the problem he started..

coward and chicken...no ball. This type of god who want..

those who want him must be blind, or got no grey matter,
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(06-12-2024, 01:08 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Mark 14:36: “And He [Jesus] said, 'Abba Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will. '” Romans 8:15: “For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, 'Abba, Father.

If Abba is not one of Allah's names...then Jesus is not praying to Allah..do you agree?
Abba


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFrGuyw1V8s&ab_channel=AbbaVEVO



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFk6-Mn-8yg&ab_channel=frapistat
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#41

(06-12-2024, 12:44 AM)Hope Wrote:  We have only one Quran .


“These are Allah’s revelations which We recite to you 
˹O Prophet˺ in truth. So what message will they believe in after ˹denying˺ Allah and His revelations?”Quran 45:6



“He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise—they are the foundation of the Book—while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations—but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺—it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason.”Quran 3:7

The oldest Qurans available today are the the Samarqand codex (currently located in Russia) and the other is an old Qur'an manuscript kept on public display in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul.

Both are incomplete manuscripts. Without a complete copy from Uthman's period, it is impossible to know that the Qurans used today (which aren't even in Qurashi Arabic, the original dialect use in Uthman's version) are the same
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#42

(06-12-2024, 01:10 AM)victortan Wrote:  Abba


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFrGuyw1V8s&ab_channel=AbbaVEVO



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFk6-Mn-8yg&ab_channel=frapistat

Rotfl
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#43

(05-12-2024, 09:43 PM)Hope Wrote:  I was away for few weeks. Peace and mercy upon you too.

No mention about going to heaven.

Where are the angels? There are angels around every human Allah has created.At least two and above. 

Reading,Reciting, listening, memorising Quran brings reward. Even you get rewards for reading translated verses.

Bro, you are wrong. You will go to heaven if you master and memorise it! This is the from the Tafseer of your prophet.

Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Such a person as recites the Qur'an and masters it by heart, will be with the noble righteous scribes (in Heaven). And such a person exerts himself to learn the Qur'an by heart, and recites it with great difficulty, will have a double reward."

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4937
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#44

https://madrasatelquran.com/memorizing-q...hereafter/
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#45

(06-12-2024, 01:08 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Mark 14:36: “And He [Jesus] said, 'Abba Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will. '” Romans 8:15: “For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, 'Abba, Father.

If Abba is not one of Allah's names...then Jesus is not praying to Allah..do you agree?
That is why Quran says that Saboor, Taurat, Injeel have been altered.
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#46

(06-12-2024, 02:36 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  https://madrasatelquran.com/memorizing-q...hereafter/
Where has it mentioned people can go to heaven easily by memorising the Quran?
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#47

(06-12-2024, 02:31 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Bro, you are wrong. You will go to heaven if you master and memorise it! This is the from the Tafseer of your prophet.

Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Such a person as recites the Qur'an and masters it by heart, will be with the noble righteous scribes (in Heaven). And such a person exerts himself to learn the Qur'an by heart, and recites it with great difficulty, will have a double reward."

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4937

No. People who live by Quran will enter heaven,Not by memorising.Can the person in this video go to heaven?

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#48

(06-12-2024, 01:08 AM)victortan Wrote:  If there is God, he shd be put to hell, He created something that cause us suffering..

i think he is either blind or deaf most likely a retard.. Now he is hiding in heaven,, dare not come down to solve the problem he started..

coward and chicken...no ball.  This type of god who want..

those who want him must be blind, or got no grey matter,
What kind of problems and suffering?please specify.

There are few kinds of problems and suffering 
1)The problems your hands, legs, Eyes,Tongue,Private parts and mind create 
2)Others and external factors create 
3) God create to show his power over his creation 
4) God create to test, demote or promote you from  current status 
5) God create to overcome your problems created by others and yourself 

If there is no suffering how could you compete in education, Jobs, business, Relationships, Righteousness, Charity, Innovation, farming , wealth accumulation, politics and etc?


“And it is Allah’s Will to lighten your burdens, for humankind was created weak.”Quran 4:28



Allah does not require of any soul more than what it can afford. All good will be for its own benefit, and all evil will be to its own loss………….(Quran 2:286)


“We will certainly test you with a touch of fear and famine and loss of property, life, and crops. Give good news to those who patiently endure—“Quran 2:155

“So, surely with hardship comes ease. Surely with ˹that˺ hardship comes ˹more˺ ease.Quran 94:5-6
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#49

(06-12-2024, 08:22 AM)Hope Wrote:  That is why Quran says that Saboor, Taurat, Injeel have been altered.

Rotfl Rotfl I knew you would said that! Anything that conforms to the Quran is true and anything that disagrees with the Quran is corrupted! 

Jesus has been very consistent in the Bible in addressing His God His Father.
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#50

(06-12-2024, 08:30 AM)Hope Wrote:  No. People who live by Quran will enter heaven,Not by memorising.Can the person in this video go to heaven?

Can a Muslim who does many good deeds but cannot recite or understand the Quran fully go to heaven? And Yes, He believe in Tawhid!
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#51

(06-12-2024, 08:22 AM)Hope Wrote:  That is why Quran says that Saboor, Taurat, Injeel have been altered.

Where did the Quran say the kitabs have been altered?
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#52

(06-12-2024, 08:27 AM)Hope Wrote:  Where has it mentioned people can go to heaven easily by memorising the Quran?

Will you memorise the Quran if the reward is Hell?
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#53

Omg, friend's church called to remind him to pay the contribution again
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#54

(06-12-2024, 10:47 AM)Bigbluedot Wrote:  Omg,  friend's church called to remind him to pay the contribution again

10% of monthly salary?
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#55

(05-12-2024, 08:12 PM)Hope Wrote:  There is no such thing.

Who say people can go to heaven by memorising the Quran?

First criteria to enter heaven is believing in oneness of god who created this universe.

Bro, moslems believe in Tawhid...believe in the only one God..but why this concept cannot apply to only one life time partner?...it is not very tawhid to have 4 wives Big Grin
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#56

Open qn...why muslem allows 4 wives.
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#57

(07-12-2024, 01:39 PM)Bigbluedot Wrote:  Open qn...why muslem allows 4 wives.

Some men want more than 1 woman. To prevent the abuse of women, a rule is put in place. Marriage.

Most Muslim men are happy with just 1 wife. They don't want to have more because maintaining multiple wives is quite a task for most men.
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(04-12-2024, 08:01 PM)WhatDoYouThink! Wrote:  Who’s the most powderful

This one is coming :


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#59

Allah rewards the rich who can afford 4 wives..the poor can only afford one!

In Jesus' parable, the poor man Lazarus who died was carried by angels to Abraham's side in heaven, and the rich man was sent to hell, where he was in torment!
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(07-12-2024, 01:07 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Bro, moslems believe in Tawhid...believe in the only one God..but why this concept cannot apply to only one life time partner?...it is not very tawhid to have 4 wives Big Grin

Tawhid is applied when believing in God .

99.99% Muslim have one wife.Islam is the only religion mentioned how many to marry.


“If you fear you might fail to give orphan women their 
˹due˺ rights ˹if you were to marry them˺, then marry other women of your choice—two, three, or four. But if you are afraid you will fail to maintain justice, then ˹content yourselves with˺ one1 or those ˹bondwomen˺ in your possession.This way you are less likely to commit injustice.”Quran 4:3
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