The answer is no unless it is embedded software requiring assembly or C programming.
Today it's Python, PHP, Java, ...use of open source GitHub tools etc.
Skill set also change with need for AI use and analytics.
Must send out this survey to the HR in the 100,000 Foreign MNCs, especially the smaller size companies here in Singapore. Will the useless MOM dare to send this as part of their quarterly survey?
But 100% Confirm, PAP do not want most of the Foreign MNCs here to hire older pple in their company. That is why Employment Pass is FREE & EASY = unfettered access.
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(07-11-2021, 10:01 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]The answer is no unless it is embedded software requiring assembly or C programming.
Today it's Python, PHP, Java, ...use of open source GitHub tools etc.
Skill set also change with need for AI use and analytics.
why no ?
(07-11-2021, 10:02 AM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]why no ?
Frankly it's like 59yo 100m runner.
Bro 59 years is like 60 liao too old la...age matters la. Imagine you sit in office with those Yolo youngsters of 20s..
I have alot of questions in my head for this Survey MCQ Questions.
1. Will you hire a local citizen above 50 or 60 years old as
a) HR Snr Executive
b) IT Administrator
c) HTML Webpage Designer
d) Cleaner
2. Will you hire a local citizen above 50 or 60 years old with 50% or 60% job fit in terms of skills as
a) HR Snr Executive
b) IT Administrator
c) HTML Webpage Designer
d) Cleaner
3. Will you hire a local citizen above 50 or 60 years old with 70% job fit in terms of skills as
a) HR Snr Executive
b) IT Administrator
c) HTML Webpage Designer
d) Cleaner
4. Will you hire a local citizen above 50 or 60 years old, returning back to the workforce in the same profession after 36 mths lapse as
a) HR Snr Executive
b) IT Administrator
c) HTML Webpage Designer
d) Cleaner
5. Will you hire a local citizen above 50 or 60 years old who is willing to accept the same job at the same pay after 5 years of career lapse as
a) HR Snr Executive
b) IT Administrator
c) HTML Webpage Designer
d) Cleaner
6. Will you hire a local citizen above 50 or 60 years old who is willing to accept the same job at a lower job grade level after 5 years of career lapse as
a) HR Snr Executive
b) IT Administrator
c) HTML Webpage Designer
d) Cleaner
(07-11-2021, 10:01 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]The answer is no unless it is embedded software requiring assembly or C programming.
Today it's Python, PHP, Java, ...use of open source GitHub tools etc.
Skill set also change with need for AI use and analytics.
it's not about the programming languages but the logical thinking.
if one started early, 50 or even over 60 can still be very productive. if started late like late 30 or 40, not easy to sustain
(07-11-2021, 10:09 AM)Ola Wrote: [ -> ]I have alot of questions in my head for this Survey MCQ Questions.
1. Will you hire a local citizen above 50 or 60 years old as
a) HR Snr Executive
b) IT Administrator
c) HTML Webpage Designer
d) Cleaner
2. Will you hire a local citizen above 50 or 60 years old with 50% or 60% job fit in terms of skills as
a) HR Snr Executive
b) IT Administrator
c) HTML Webpage Designer
d) Cleaner
3. Will you hire a local citizen above 50 or 60 years old with 70% job fit in terms of skills as
a) HR Snr Executive
b) IT Administrator
c) HTML Webpage Designer
d) Cleaner
4. Will you hire a local citizen above 50 or 60 years old, returning back to the workforce in the same profession after 36 mths lapse as
a) HR Snr Executive
b) IT Administrator
c) HTML Webpage Designer
d) Cleaner
5. Will you hire a local citizen above 50 or 60 years old who is willing to accept the same job at the same pay after 5 years of career lapse as
a) HR Snr Executive
b) IT Administrator
c) HTML Webpage Designer
d) Cleaner
6. Will you hire a local citizen above 50 or 60 years old who is willing to accept the same job at a lower job grade level after 5 years of career lapse as
a) HR Snr Executive
b) IT Administrator
c) HTML Webpage Designer
d) Cleaner
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Whether a person will be employed depends on whether there are many other competing persons for the job, and if these people or more competent.
For programmers you can find many young ones so why settled for an old folk? Unless you're operating a charity?
(07-11-2021, 10:43 AM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]Whether a person will be employed depends on whether there are many other competing persons for the job, and if these people or more competent.
For programmers you can find many young ones so why settled for an old folk? Unless you're operating a charity?
You are quite right, why settle for a 59 year old when there are scores of younger ones. How to teach old dogs new tricks...
(07-11-2021, 10:05 AM)sgbuffett Wrote: [ -> ]Frankly it's like 59yo 100m runner.
Why it is yes for embedded software programming?
(07-11-2021, 10:08 AM)Sharexchange Wrote: [ -> ]Bro 59 years is like 60 liao too old la...age matters la. Imagine you sit in office with those Yolo youngsters of 20s..
Does sitting with youngsters affect anything if 59 year can perform?
(07-11-2021, 10:43 AM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]Whether a person will be employed depends on whether there are many other competing persons for the job, and if these people or more competent.
For programmers you can find many young ones so why settled for an old folk? Unless you're operating a charity?
Based on your reasoning, why settled for local PMETs when you can find cheap foreigners?
(07-11-2021, 11:08 AM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]Does sitting with youngsters affect anything if 59 year can perform?
There is always an effect when a 59-year-old are surrounded with 20+ year old youngsters, their conversations and lingo will be different, and the 59 year old will feel out of place......
(07-11-2021, 10:47 AM)debono Wrote: [ -> ]You are quite right, why settle for a 59 year old when there are scores of younger ones. How to teach old dogs new tricks...
Based on your opinion,why employers settle for local PMETs when there are scores of cheap foreigners
(07-11-2021, 11:13 AM)debono Wrote: [ -> ]There is always an effect when a 59-year-old are surrounded with 20+ year old youngsters, their conversations and lingo will be different, and the 59 year old will feel out of place......
Do you think the 59 year worry out of place or out of job ?
(07-11-2021, 09:46 AM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]Would you hire a junior developer who is 59 years old?
If he/she has the required skill, why not? If the skill and salary matched and there's no other better person, I would hire the person if he or she is a plug and play type of employee.
(07-11-2021, 11:11 AM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]Based on your reasoning, why settled for local PMETs when you can find cheap foreigners?
Yes. That is why companies, if given a choice, would rather employ cheap foreigners. Their number 1 priority is to make money, not do national service.
(07-11-2021, 11:24 AM)Levin Wrote: [ -> ]If he/she has the required skill, why not? If the skill and salary matched and there's no other better person, I would hire the person if he or she is a plug and play type of employee.
The crucial msg is 'no other better person'. The truth is, you can find many good programmers around.
59 yo junior developer meaning he'd a mid career switch before. if his previous job is not it/cs/math/engineering related, it's quite difficult. development needs to squeeze lots of brain juice 搅尽脑汁 and work long hours, not easy for older ppl
(07-11-2021, 11:06 AM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]Why it is yes for embedded software programming?
because young programmer wont bother to pick old skill set..
(07-11-2021, 11:08 AM)forum456 Wrote: [ -> ]Does sitting with youngsters affect anything if 59 year can perform?
its not about all work. its about team work and communication among team.
Depend what you want. If an old and experience man , he can give value to the younger programmer or professional whom not known what can be distrupted affecting the best for the future.He needs not do the practical work himself , he can guild the younger ones to create more refine system or program to face the challenge of the future minimizing various hiccups during the process thus can establish the company strongly against its competitors ahead of them.
Very wierd right. Top jobs like pm can be age 60 and older.
Junior post nobody hires ppl at 59.
...for softw developer, it is the skill set but should not the age
that is more important.
(07-11-2021, 11:13 AM)debono Wrote: [ -> ]There is always an effect when a 59-year-old are surrounded with 20+ year old youngsters, their conversations and lingo will be different, and the 59 year old will feel out of place......
If he is good the younger ones would respect him and accept him
At 59, one should be planning for retirement. What for apply for junior role? If still have to find a job and earn an entry level salary at that age, you farked up.
1. Integrity
2. Intelligence
3. Energy
In that order. If the person don't have integrity, you don't want him/her to be smart. You want him/her to be dumb, otherwise he/she will use that intelligence against you. 59yo just got no energy, that's ranked 3.