(13-01-2025, 07:45 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Interestingly, both Christianity and Islam hold the belief that children go to heaven. Somehow or rather...the prophet got this one right  ...He did check with previous scriptures after all 

(14-01-2025, 06:51 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Christians and Muslims have many similar beliefs and also many differences lah!  They call Allah we call the Lord lah!

(14-01-2025, 06:55 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  I'm currently studying the Bible on Noah and his family lah!  After the flood, they all came out of the ark and Noah's sons, Shem Japheth and Ham were scattered with their own families when Noah died lah! Read Genesis chapters 6 to 11 lah!

(12-01-2025, 01:50 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  Since when did I say God would punish a child stealing a lollipop with the same kind of punishment meted out to a mass murderer? When taken out of context, my comment sounds cruel. You failed to take account of the age of accountability for children, meaning, at what age are children responsible for their own sins?

While the term age of accountability isn't found in the Bible, the principle is. As long as a child isn't able to distinguish between good and evil, he or she isn't responsible for the corruption inherited from Adam or the sins he or she personally commits.

God has a special love for children. Ps 139:13-16; Matt 18:2-4; Matt 10:14-16. Although the children were infected with sin because of Adam's orginal rebellion, God didn't condemn them because they had "no knowledge of good or evil."

(14-01-2025, 09:41 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  In the Book of Genesis, the curse of Hamis described as a curse which was imposed upon Ham's son Canaan by the patriarch Noah. It occurs in the context of Noah's drunkenness and it is provoked by a shameful act that was perpetrated by Noah's son Ham, who "saw the nakedness of his father".

(14-01-2025, 09:51 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  “And Elisha went up from thence unto Beth-el: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them. And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria.”
‭‭2 Kings‬ ‭2‬:‭23‬-‭25‬ ‭KJV

(14-01-2025, 12:30 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  You got it right lah, bro!  Noah cursed Ham because he saw his father drunk and naked inside the tent. Why did Noah curse Ham his youngest son leh?  Surely you won't curse your own children mah!

(14-01-2025, 09:29 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  

so money can solve all problems after all!

(14-01-2025, 10:07 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Means rich only can be saved 
While the poor has no money to buy salvation ?

(14-01-2025, 10:35 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes! If you are rich and you do charity..your sins will be erase
How convenient! I think the poor can just help out and that should be enough to erase sins...

If you commit murder, will you be cleanse after doing charity?
is there any need for repentance?  Doing good works only will get to paradise? Now I know why moslems will side with James...* long sigh *
Our good friend here is so rich that he can buy out every sins he created...

Erasing Sins The Prophet Muhammad SAW said, 'Charity can erase sins as water extinguishes fire. ' (HR. Tirmidzi). By giving alms, we cleanse ourselves of the sins that have been committed

Charity does not remove sin or the penalty of sin, but will aid in the giving of life as God intends we live by. Adam died a death of relationship with God and with men by choosing his own path. Through charity, we are choosing the way of God and not the way of men and will enjoy the better life God intends for all men in this age.

(14-01-2025, 10:44 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Ephesians 2:8-10 New International Version (NIV)For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

(14-01-2025, 06:49 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  You're right lah, bro!  But the Bible is very clear that we are all born sinners, sinners at birth lah! Children are innocent and won't know what is right or wrong but that doesn't mean they're not sinners lah! How God deals with them is God's responsibility lah! But we need to teach a child the way of the LORD so that he will not go astray lah! In the Bible, we read about children sacrificed to the fire, literally thrown into fire to die lah!

(14-01-2025, 12:30 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  You got it right lah, bro!  Noah cursed Ham because he saw his father drunk and naked inside the tent. Why did Noah curse Ham his youngest son leh?  Surely you won't curse your own children mah!

(14-01-2025, 06:51 AM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Christians and Muslims have many similar beliefs and also many differences lah!  They call Allah we call the Lord lah!

(14-01-2025, 10:35 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Yes! If you are rich and you do charity..your sins will be erase
How convenient! I think the poor can just help out and that should be enough to erase sins...

If you commit murder, will you be cleanse after doing charity?
is there any need for repentance?  Doing good works only will get to paradise? Now I know why moslems will side with James...* long sigh *
Our good friend here is so rich that he can buy out every sins he created...

Erasing Sins The Prophet Muhammad SAW said, 'Charity can erase sins as water extinguishes fire. ' (HR. Tirmidzi). By giving alms, we cleanse ourselves of the sins that have been committed

Charity does not remove sin or the penalty of sin, but will aid in the giving of life as God intends we live by. Adam died a death of relationship with God and with men by choosing his own path. Through charity, we are choosing the way of God and not the way of men and will enjoy the better life God intends for all men in this age.

Again the teachings of Muhammad is not in line with the previous scriptures. Muhammad should add "sought God for forgiveness and repent"

(15-01-2025, 11:45 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  How about those sentenced to death gg  to gallows can their charities done saves them?

(15-01-2025, 11:47 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  They will ask the judge to replace their jail sentence with doing charity works under Sharia laws...

(15-01-2025, 11:49 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Oh really ?

(13-01-2025, 01:07 AM)S I M T A N Wrote:  I want to believe that infants and young children who die are in heaven, but how are they who have never trusted in Christ saved? There's no definitive scriptural passage that clearly spells out the eternal destiny of children who are too young to comprehend the gospel. Ditto those who are mentally impaired and fail to grasp as well because of their intellectual limitations and are therefore childlike.

If faith in Christ is the basis by which everyone else in the world must be saved, then how is God able to bend the rules for children? I believe I can say with confidence that children who die are graciously welcomed by God into His heaven. God has a soft spot for children. He values their lives and grieves over their deaths (Ps 139:13-16) and condemns cruelty toward children. (Ezek 16:20-21)

"Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all." And He took them in His arms and began blessing them, laying His hands on them. (Mark 10:14-16)

Jesus was using children as an illustration of the humility necessary to receive God's gift of salvation. Now because of Adam's original sin against God, every person has been infested with the sin virus. "Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned." (Rom 5:12) Physical death is the proof we've contracted the sin virus, and the fact that everyone dies - incl children - is proof that no one is immune to this disease.

Obviously, God differentiates between children's inherited sin - over which they had no choice - and the willful disobedience of adults. Children have no ability to distinguish between good and evil and they have no ability to be charged with the same offence as their parents: unbelief. In the Bible the sin of unbelief isn't simply failing to believe God; it is the deliberate choice not ot believe what God has said. Unbelief is the willful rejection of God's revelation.

"And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief."(Heb 3:18-19) "Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the Living God. (v 12)

The Bible is clear: the sin of unbelief prevented them from entering "His rest." The consequence of a person's unbelief - the deliberate choice not to believe what God has said - is that he or she isn't able to enter into heaven.

(15-01-2025, 08:52 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  If I were you, I'd take everything in the OT with a pinch of salt. We already know for sure that the books have been altered a lot and lies have crept into the scriptures, according to the scriptures itself (Jeremiah 8:8).

The Bible has stories of the prophets that defeat the very reason why they were chosen, to guide mankind to righteousness.

(15-01-2025, 02:25 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  Let me study more for myself lah!  I need some cross references for more interpretations lah!

(15-01-2025, 02:45 PM)pinkpanther Wrote:  They said we altered the OT and it cannot be trusted wor...  I also want to know why the Quran purposely left out the Passover and avoid discussions on it......

I think this page of the Passover was eaten by the goat...

(15-01-2025, 02:48 PM)cheekopekman Wrote:  You can study Quran too lah!  Then compare with the Bible lah!